Not a sinner.

[justbyfaith]

@quietthinker,

Here is the whole story for your perusal:

Jhn 5:1, After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
Jhn 5:2, Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
Jhn 5:3, In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
Jhn 5:4, For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
Jhn 5:5, And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
Jhn 5:6, When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
Jhn 5:7, The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
Jhn 5:8, Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
Jhn 5:9, And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
Jhn 5:10, The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
Jhn 5:11, He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
Jhn 5:12, Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
Jhn 5:13, And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
Jhn 5:14, Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Jhn 5:15, The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
Jhn 5:16, And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
Jhn 5:17, But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jhn 5:18, Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

 

[justbyfaith]

If Jesus did not break the sabbath in that He claimed to work as the Father was working when it was the sabbath, at the very least He broke it in that He commanded the lame man to take up his bed and walk; and therefore by proxy and by His teaching, He was teaching men to violate the sabbath.

 

[mjrhealth]

Which of the ten do you object to mjrh?.....which do you find contrary to your inclinations?

None of them what part of love do you not understand. Im not subject to the law as is no gentile or Jew no longer, you choose teh law over Christ you can only have one husband or you are committing adultry, which is it Christ your Husband or the Law which "was" the husband of the Jews, or will you choose to play the harlot, and choose both.

Joh 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
Joh 4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
Joh 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

see you have already broken the law you claim to keep

 

[mjrhealth]

Gal 3:23, But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

What part of " we never had teh law", do you not comprehend. And you are a minister.

 

[quietthinker]

Even those who are sticklers for the law don't keep it....Galatians 6:13.

Is this the position you take so you can break it with supposed impunity?

 

[quietthinker]

If Jesus did not break the sabbath in that He claimed to work as the Father was working when it was the sabbath, at the very least He broke it in that He commanded the lame man to take up his bed and walk; and therefore by proxy and by His teaching, He was teaching men to violate the sabbath.

So I see you take the position of the religious leaders who made that accusation against Jesus ....then justify it by saying Jesus said he and his Father are always working.....all the while ignoring the context of that statement being, working for the salvation of the human race......which incidentally they have been doing since the foundation off the world.

jbf...at best you misunderstand the intent of what is written .....at worst you are accusing Jesus of being a sinner......the sum of either results in a worse than a muddle.

 

[mjrhealth]

Is this the position you take so you can break it with supposed impunity?

You do and you have and you always will. Still boasting, Look at me God I am not like all those other sinners, and Yet Christ said

Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

See you cant escape it.

 

[mjrhealth]

The law is death to you because you are out of line and have no power to keep it.....You have no power to keep it because you're barking up the wrong tree.
All who love God love his Law. All who hate God hate his Law.

Now you are doing what you claimed JBF was doing, your playing with peoples lives and you dont care as long as you make them slaves to teh law.

Joh 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Gods love will never run out, Gods grace will never run out, but mens wisdom will always be found foolish in Gods eyes.

 

[quietthinker]

You do and you have and you always will. Still boasting, Look at me God I am not like all those other sinners, and Yet Christ said

Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

See you cant escape it.

Your accusation mjrh has no foundation......it birth is purely in your imagination. Your use of scripture in a vain attempt to back up your accusation only reveals ignorance of the scripture and the power of God.

 

[mjrhealth]

Your accusation mjrh has no foundation......it birth is purely in your imagination. Your use of scripture in a vain attempt to back up your accusation only reveals ignorance of the scripture and the power of God.

Yes the power of God to save without religion without mens works without the law, all of which you have forsaken and given up for your religion and the law.

By grace you are saved by faith it is a gift, which no man can earn or pay for.

 

[justbyfaith]

all the while ignoring the context of that statement being, working for the salvation of the human race

Jesus was still working...and the letter of the law tells us that you shall not do *any* work on the sabbath day.

at worst you are accusing Jesus of being a sinner.

Jesus came not after a carnal commandment but after the power of an endless life (Hebrews 7:16).

He was High Priest according to the order of Melchizedec...and with a change in priesthood (from Levi to Melchizedec) came also a change in law (Hebrews 7:12) from the letter to the spirit (Romans 7:6).

So Jesus was not a sinner even though He violated the letter of the sabbath law.

He was in fact the Lord of the sabbath (Mark 2:28), and as such He redefined the sabbath law so that it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days (Matthew 12:12); whereas before, according to the letter (Exodus 20:10) you could not do *any* work on the sabbath day. He also justified this change in law by the fact that the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath (Mark 2:27). Jesus changed the law (Hebrews 7:12) from being bound to the letter to being obedient to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

 

[justbyfaith]

all the while ignoring the context of that statement being, working for the salvation of the human race

If Jesus did not break the sabbath in that He claimed to work as the Father was working when it was the sabbath, at the very least He broke it in that He commanded the lame man to take up his bed and walk; and therefore by proxy and by His teaching, He was teaching men to violate the sabbath.

 

[justbyfaith]

Is this the position you take so you can break it with supposed impunity?

In bearing the fruit of the Holy Spirit I will not be in violation of any law, before the Lord (Galatians 5:22-23).

Thus I have a righteousness that comes from God apart from the law; which is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21).

 

[justbyfaith]

What part of " we never had teh law", do you not comprehend. And you are a minister.

Rom 3:19, Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

The law says what it says to those who are under it; and the result is that all the world will become guilty before God. This indicates to me that all the world is under the law; otherwise the law would not make all the world guilty before God; it would only make the Jewish people guilty before God; if the law were only applicable to the Jewish people.

 

[quietthinker]

Jesus was still working...and the letter of the law tells us that you shall not do *any* work on the sabbath day.



Jesus came not after a carnal commandment but after the power of an endless life (Hebrews 7:16).

He was High Priest according to the order of Melchizedec...and with a change in priesthood (from Levi to Melchizedec) came also a change in law (Hebrews 7:12) from the letter to the spirit (Romans 7:6).

So Jesus was not a sinner even though He violated the letter of the sabbath law.

He was in fact the Lord of the sabbath (Mark 2:28), and as such He redefined the sabbath law so that it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days (Matthew 12:12); whereas before, according to the letter (Exodus 20:10) you could not do *any* work on the sabbath day. He also justified this change in law by the fact that the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath (Mark 2:27). Jesus changed the law (Hebrews 7:12) from being bound to the letter to being obedient to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6).

Let's try this from another angle....what do think the order of Melchizedek is?

 

[Cristo Rei]

I believe that 1 John 3:7 speaks to your contention

There are better verses to support your claim such as 1 John 3:9

But then there are verses such as 1 John 1:8-10 and Romans 7:14-25 among others that appear to contradict...

Do u never get angry? Don't u ever have any self ambition or pride?

 

[mjrhealth]

No wonder christians feel so gulity when they have the noose of the law put around there necks. Everything after Christ resurrection was and is by the Spirit, the law and the ot before is all the flesh,

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

It is HE we are supposed to follow Christ alone our one Shepherd, not men not religion but so few are willing top "forsake" all to find Him,.

All most see is a glimpse of God thought there tiny little windows all discolored by religion and too much learning.

 

[mjrhealth]

Let's try this from another angle....what do think the order of Melchizedek is?

give us your best guess, no one knows it is all assumption. One day we will find out and there will be much mud on faces.

 

[Addy]

To the New Believer...

Please NOTE that a TRUE teacher of the gospel will invite questions... and even embrace differences of opinion without the NEED to belittle... overpower and/or dismiss... A true teacher of the Gospel of Christ will teach in a patient and open way... they will also display the characteristics of compassion.. and patience... truly caring about those they are "feeding".

A False teacher of the Gospel will appear to be most knowledgeable... but once they are questioned or challenged.. they will become defensive... overbearing... and will always resort to "attacking" behaviour... This is because they do not care for those they are teaching... they only care to be heard and recognized.

Please be very careful who you allow into your heart. A teacher of CHRIST's WORD will ALWAYS carry with them a spirit of humility.

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

For the sake of this new home I have just found... I am going to ADDRESS you just ONCE @Behold ... You know me as Addy from another forum site... I allowed you to teach me for a period of about 2 weeks... until which time I told you I was FULL and TIRED and needed to rest. You then began to quickly change your "TEACHING" tone into an accusing one and this is WHEN the perversion of what you teach began to leak out.

YOU TEACH FALSE DOCTRINE... your teaching is no different than what a legalist teaches... the very ones you claim are apostates.

I am SO GRATEFUL that this site has seen you for what you are ... A WOLF... who goes from forum site to forum site causing strife and feeding poison.

For those who have gotten to know me... these words I speak to Behold may sound harsh... but I assure you his teaching is DANGEROUS.

Oh no, think I might know him too