Spotting the Heretic

[Behold]

Practically all of your posts are railings against the realities found in 1 John 1:7-9.

As such, they are unbiblical; because they deny specific biblical truths.

That verse isn't talking to the born again.
This is proven by the fact that the Apostle says "WE".
See, that apostle does not have sin. He is not a sinner. He is not standing there with unconfessed sin.
You dont understand this, because you read the verse, and can't yet understand "WE"... correctly.
That apostle, knows that Jesus has all His sin, or he is not saved.
God takes care of all your sin on the Cross or you will go to hell like a bullet and then the lake of fire.
There is no "repenting" of sin to keep yourself clean.
And you dont understand this, because you have not yet SEEN what the Blood Atonement has accomplished for all it has cleansed.

So, for the 5th time, i will show you this..

When a preacher, teacher, evangelist, (me), is talking to a Group.
And someone in the group who is not a believer, says....... "i dont believe in sin, " I think sin is an illusion"... (mary baker eddie, Tom Cruise,).
Then i say, or Paul says, or Jesus says...>Listen.>"if WE say we dont have sin"..
So, does Jesus have sin?
Paul?
me?
NOPE.

So, you are not seminary Trained. I am. And that is why you dont understand the principles of how you address an audience as a SPEAKER.
Were you in Radio? I was. I was a station operator for a season in my life. And dealing with a LIVE audience has some rules and regulations that you as a person who is working to learn how to be an online "teacher", are not familiar with, even tho ive shown you this 4 times previously.

So, what this Apostle is doing, is the same thing Paul is doing in Hebrews 10 and Acts 28, when Paul says...>"if WE sin willfully"..

Well, that WE is the same thing....as found in 1 John.

Its this, fella....

When a leader, such as a pope, a president, a pastor, me...is talking to a LIVE group, we use the word "we" to talk about THEM, but we are not speaking about ourselves, directly.
We are "corporally" teaching a Group, and you often say...>"we".

A pastors says...WE a lot, to his group, his congregation, but he's not talking about HIMSELF.
"WE" is about THEM, but not about HIM.

That is 1 John
That is Hebrews 10
Acts 28

 

[justbyfaith]

So, that power to become, is not you living right or you abiding, or keeping commandments....Its GOD Doing something for you.

Your abiding is God doing something for you...as you continue to receive it by faith.

 

[Behold]

Your abiding is God doing something for you...as you continue to receive it by faith.

To abide is to be born again.
Stop teaching that if you dont abide by holding onto your faith, you are no longer born again.
You are teaching that staying saved is to abide and to be lost is to not abide by Faith.
I think, even you know this is terrible theology.
So, stop teaching it.
Faith does not save.
Abiding is kept by being "IN CHRIST", not by mentally trying to not have dead faith.

 

[justbyfaith]

That verse isn't talking to the born again.
This is proven by the fact that the Apostle says "WE".
See, that apostle does not have sin. He is not a sinner. He is not standing there with unconfessed sin.
You dont understand this, because you read the verse, and can't yet understand "WE"... correctly.
That apostle, knows that Jesus has all His sin, or he is not saved.
God takes care of all your sin on the Cross or you will go to hell like a bullet and then the lake of fire.
There is no "repenting" of sin to keep yourself clean.
And you dont understand this, because you have not yet SEEN what the Blood Atonement has accomplished for all it has cleansed.

So, for the 5th time, i will show you this..

When a preacher, teacher, evangelist, (me), is talking to a Group.
And someone in the group who is not a believer, says....... "i dont believe in sin, " I think sin is an illusion"... (mary baker eddie, Tom Cruise,).
Then i say, or Paul says, or Jesus says...>Listen.>"if WE say we dont have sin"..
So, does Jesus have sin?
Paul?
me?
NOPE.

So, you are not seminary Trained. I am. And that is why you dont understand the principles of how you address an audience as a SPEAKER.
Were you in Radio? I was. I was a station operator for a season in my life. And dealing with a LIVE audience has some rules and regulations that you as a person who is working to learn how to be an online "teacher", are not familiar with, even tho ive shown you this 4 times previously.

So, what this Apostle is doing, is the same thing Paul is doing in Hebrews 10 and Acts 28, when Paul says...>"if WE sin willfully"..

Well, that WE is the same thing....as found in 1 John.

Its this, fella....

When a leader, such as a pope, a president, a pastor, me...is talking to a LIVE group, we use the word "we" to talk about THEM, but we are not speaking about ourselves, directly.
We are "corporally" teaching a Group, and you often say...>"we".

A pastors says...WE a lot, to his group, his congregation, but he's not talking about HIMSELF.
"WE" is about THEM, but not about HIM.

That is 1 John
That is Hebrews 10
Acts 28

No; when the apostle John says "we" in 1 John 1:8, he is also referring to himself.

I have in fact been trained with that exact training that you are talking about; and what I know is that the reason for this is that we are not to disassociate ourselves from the crowd to whom we are relating.

In other words, when John says "we" in 1 John 1:8, he is not disassociating himself with the crowd...he is saying that I am a sinner just like you.

Consider Acts of the Apostles 3:12 (esp. the kjv), or Acts of the Apostles 14:15, or James 5:17...

Here, the apostles are saying that Elijah and themselves are subject to like passions as the ones to whom they are speaking; it is not by their own power or holiness that they made this man to walk...

This would indicate that they are saying that they have sin indwelling their mortal flesh, wouldn't you say?

 

[justbyfaith]

To abide is to be born again.
Stop teaching that if you dont abide by holding onto your faith, you are no longer born again.
You are teaching that staying saved is to abide and to be lost is to not abide by Faith.
I think, even you know this is terrible theology.
So, stop teaching it.
Faith does not save.
Abiding is kept by being "IN CHRIST", not by mentally trying to not have dead faith.

We are indeed saved by grace through faith; and we also have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand.

No more faith = no more access = no more salvation.

If we take your theology to its proper conclusion, a man doesn't even need faith to be saved (not even initially) because if he falls away from faith, he continues to be saved...and therefore he might've even been saved before he placed his faith in Jesus Christ (because in your thinking, faith is not essential).

 

[Nancy]

I don't know of any forum around here that teaches the true Gospel without letting the false gospels have free reign.
i.e. it is not a good place for someone to try to learn the true Gospel, is it ? Everything is, on purpose, mixed up , and allowed to be, even by the rules.

Even by God-He let's the wheat grow with the tares!

 

[Nancy]

Its fine if you post responses to me, on my posts and my Threads, and agree or disagree.
But do it to my face., dont do it behind my back, talking to other members.

Also, you've yet to prove anything i write is unbiblical.
As i told you, you teach Hybrid Grace.
You call yourself justbyfaith but you are actually justby-Abiding, or not.
So, you could change your alt and be honest.
You should.

Faith is not abiding.
Faith is an operation of the heart and abiding is what you do as an effort, SELF.

You believe faith saves you.
I teach that Jesus saves you, through your faith.
It could be, that you've come to my side now, and have stopped teaching that abiding in faith, or abiding in the gulf of Mexico, or whatever abiding you are carping about next, is still your faith.
Hopefully not.

I don't understand why you think "abiding in Christ" is self effort, it seems essential to me. You would have to throw away a whole lot of scripture to believe that, to name a few:

John 15:4
"Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me."

John 15:7
"If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you."

1 John 2:6
"Whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked."

1 John 2:28
"And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming."

 

[justbyfaith]

1 Jn 2:27 also:

1Jo 2:27, But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[FollowHim]

Many Christians are not walking according to how "born again", is to be walked out.
They READ that they are to "work out their salvation with awe and wonder", and they then are badly taught by soneone to believe this verses means..>"work out how to keep yourself saved with fear and trembling".

So, it really comes down to one thing.. Its understanding correctly, that Salvation is completed by Jesus and given as a Gift.
God came down here to die on a Cross to take you back to heaven. Thats God gift.
Can you improve it? Can you keep it by works when its a GIFT?
Its a GIFT.
You dont work for a GIFT.... you RECEIVE A GIFT... "for as many as RECEIVED JESUS, God gives them power to become the Sons of God".
So, that power to become, is not you living right or you abiding, or keeping commandments....Its GOD Doing something for you.

Many believers are trying to cause and keep, what is already caused by God and kept for you by God.
Salvation is all of God doing it, and all of us, receiving it.
We dont work for salvation, we work IN it. = because we already have it. = Its a GIFT.
We dont complete it, we just live in it.
This means, working it out, is to realize you have it, and you are to learn how to operate it, and live within this GIFT of Salvation.

Yes salvation is a living relationship. But those born of the Spirit know this. If people are earning their salvation they are either not born again or express their faith incorrectly.

Everything hangs though on believing God can deliver us withoit blemish on the last day, blameless, pure and Holy. It is His work. Many think they cannot fail, but Jesus puts it sowing to the flesh rather than the Spirit.

In all relationships both have a part to play, or love does not exist. Praise God we are made conplete in Him, Amen

 

[2 Chr. 34:19]

I call this situation you just hallmarked...>"letting the Heretics park and preach".

It is an unfortunate situation, because when... "who is lying using verses". is the end game on a Fourm, and the Mods just sit and watch the cage matches, then is this really a "Christian Forum"?
Here is what makes the devil happy.
He loves the fact that you can't be a brand new Christian and go to a Christian forum, anywhere in the world, online, and not be harmed by heretics.
The devil LOVES this fact.
And it is a fact.

When = "what is truth". "what is Grace"... "What does the Cross really mean"......is become the Abused Topics universal on a Christian Forum, there is a real problem.

Here is my vote...
Let everyone say what they want. Let the attacks be reasonable. No cussing. No saying, "you are not born again".
Paul used the term "Heretic", so, ........
Otherwise, ..... let people be angry, as it cant be any other way when 2 Spiritual dominions are always fighting on a forum.
Its always Grace vs Law.
Its always....you can lose your salvation = LAW keepers
vs
Jesus keeps you saved, = GRACE keepers.
Its always Light vs dark, and this is going to be an extreme FRICTION, always.

Here is what all forums should stop.
They should stop all discussions related to "losing salvation."
They should stop all discussions related to "pre-destined" elect.
If a Christian Forum STOPS those TOPICS, then 95% of the hatred and abusing, found on a forum, will stop.
If you want some peace and GRACE on a Christian Forum, then just stop those 2 topics from being Treaded, or Posted about, or discussed in any way.
Till then, you see what it is...

And that’s just the believers! What about The worldlings and pagans who come on this forum to cause divisions?

 

[mjrhealth]

It is only as one is led by the Spirit that one continues to be under grace...otherwise one falls from grace. So maybe the Romans were okay...but the Galatians clearly weren't.

So tell me, does Christ grace run out at anytime???

Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[mjrhealth]

Many think they cannot fail

We can, He cannot, is this about us or Him, will His works fail...

 

[Enoch111]

Also, you've yet to prove anything i write is unbiblical.

Would it do any good if one were to quote all your bogus theology point by point? Would you repent and keep your false teachings out of this forum? There is not only a great deal of unbiblical nonsense in your threads, but there are also plenty of false accusations against other Christians. Not to mention your bragging as if you are a guru on this forum, rather than a wolf in sheep's clothing.

So let's take a couple of examples of your false doctrine and show everyone that you have no idea about Gospel truth.

1.) Sin is not found "in Christ", and all believers are "in Christ".

PATENTLY FALSE: believers can and do sin. There are constant admonitions to believers to refrain from sinning.

2.) Sin is a TITLE related to a DEED committed. This TITLE is based on the Law's Authority to define the deed as "sin". Take away the law, and its dominion, and the same deeds are no longer SIN, they are "works of the Flesh".

PATENTLY FALSE.
1. Sin is not simply a deed committed -- as Christ clearly taught. Sinful thoughts are as evil as sinful deeds.
2. Sin existed long before the Law came into existence. The sin of disobedience of Adam and Eve brought about a curse on the human race and on creation.
3. There is absolutely no difference between sins and works of the flesh.

Now to your evil-speaking with arrogance about other Christians:

What i do on a Forum, is usually work on one situation, regarding believers. Most of them are not bible students. Most of them are not going to be.

 

[justbyfaith]

PATENTLY FALSE: believers can and do sin.

Those who are born of God "do not" and "cannot" sin (1 John 3:9) and also those who abide in Christ "sin not" (1 John 3:6) for ever (1 John 2:17).

Now we all have indwelling sin (1 John 1:8); but for the sanctified believer it is rendered dead so that it no longer has any say over our behaviour (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8).

Therefore, those with a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith can and do sin; but those with a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) do not.

For unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees (whose outward righteousness was impeccable), you will in no wise enter in to the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:20).

 

[mjrhealth]

The devil created these phrases.

1. Licence to Sin
2. Cheap Grace
3. OSAS
4. Easy Believism.

Why?
Why did the Devil created these concepts in Paul's day, that Jude warned about and Against?
Because The Devil knows that people are self righteous.
He knows that most people want a "hand in it", regarding being "right with God".
This is a rampant obsessive spiritual infection, within the Body of Christ.
95 % of all Denominations are built on "how to keep yourself saved by SELF EFFORT". = Galatians 1:8
Maybe MAYBE 5% Teach "Jesus Saved you and the Blood of Jesus will Keep you saved", = God's Grace

The devil is so so clever, and he is so so self righteous, so he empowers this in people.....especially Christians who are badly trained and are very religious.
The devil came up with this idea..
""I'll create the lie that God's Grace , when taught Correctly, is "license, and cheap, and easy believism"... I'm have them think that "just believing can't be ALL THEIR IS TO IT".......
And so, he has his deceivers substitute God's GRACE for "working" "enduring", 'abiding", and "commandment keeping", and SELF EFFORT, because they have been devil conned into thinking that if they just RECEIVE by faith the Gospel, and simple BELIEVE in JESUS< and are made RIghteous and SAVED, that this is wrong, because there are no works in it. Thats too CHEAP...THATs too EASY... Thats all of God and NONE OF ME...so, how can that be right..
The devil is smiling at this person.....

In Paul's day, these people said of Paul..>"""He is teaching that we are to sin, so that Grace will come"..
Tat is the twisted way these hyper religious reacted to "Saved by GRACE, through faith"< "without works".

Jude says...>"these liars have switched Grace..they have substituted WORKS for Grace, by conning people with the idea that Grace is "license" its "CHEAP".....its "EASY BELIEVISM".. (These are the lasted updated bumper stickers).
So, this mental trap, owns most Christians.....They are devil deceived OUT OF THE RIGHT UNDERSTANDING OF GRACE.
So very many see the right understand of Grace as "license to sin". or "easy believism".. etc.

Thank you, being saying this for years, a friend on mine, having a discussion yesterday, how Jesus told her not to call Him, God or there works "common", so you see you are spot on. Thanks

 

[Behold]

I don't understand why you think "abiding in Christ" is self effort, it seems essential to me.

Abiding in Christ, is not something you can do, of yourself.
See, You can't take your Spirit and control it.
Understand?
So, to abide in Christ is to do this SPIRITUALLY....as its your born again SPIRIT that is IN Christ that abides.
Not your body. Not your mind..but your SPIRIT, the born again part of you, is what ABIDES.
Now you can walk in the Spirit, by faith, and right believing, but you can't abide IN CHRIST by will, as this is only accomplished by a SPIRITUAL UNION With HIM< = "abide".
See, You can't control this. You have no control over your SPIRIT., and that is the PART of you that ABIDES in Christ, Nancy.

So, when heretics teach this "abiding" baloney, that is only related to Denying Grace and trying to keep yourself saved..... they have no idea what they are talking about.
They have no idea that the BORN AGAIN SPIRIT is the part that ABIDES in CHRIST, and you can't control that by you MIND or Faith, or with a TV remote control.
So, all this..."by faith"....nonsense, that they will teach you as how you abide, is spiritual and theological ignorance.

You can't abide in CHRIST, by will or mind or body, any more then you can Cause yourself to be BORN AGAIN.
All this stuff happens in the SPIRIT REALM inside the Spirit of God Himself.
Its important that you understand this, or these people will have you thinking that abiding is willpower/faith or something else that is just as ridiculous as any other type of self effort they preach about to stay saved or to abide.

To Abide WHAT in CHRIST. ?
WHAT?
They have no idea, because they are faking the part of a "teacher", instead of knowing what they are talking about.
So, you abide WHAT, in Christ, Nancy?
Not your faith......but your SPIRIT, as that is the only part of you that is IN CHRIST that can ABIDE.
Understand?
And you can't control that part of you as GOD HAS THAT ALREADY.......so be sure to tell the next 23 heretics this fact about "abiding" when.

"well behold, how to i walk out my faith, then"...."isnt that abibing"?
No, that is DISCIPLESHIP..
You are already ABIDING, by being IN CHRIST, so, this is WHY you have a walk of faith, or "discipleship".

 

[Behold]

"You have fallen from grace" (Paul) and this is for you....

You can't even explain The Gospel of Grace correctly, episkopos.
You trying to teach "justification by Faith, without works" would be like a blind monkey trying to fly a jet.
You are a self savor who believes you can lose your salvation. = "fallen from GRACE".
You do not even understand how a person "falls from Grace", as if you did, you would correct this your own Faith.

 

[Behold]

As I said you cannot answer the point of walking like Jesus,

Am i teaching the sincere believers here, how to stop sinning and walk like Jesus?
Are you awake, followhim?
Im doing here what Jesus would be doing here, its what He always did, = He TAUGHT.
So, i can't "walk" more like Jesus then to TEACH His word on a forum.
In Life, i can do a lot more, but, on a forum, im prohibited by what this situation allows me to do.

 

[Behold]

Because we abide in Christ through faith.

We abide in Christ by being IN CHRIST = born again.

 

[FollowHim]

The devil created these phrases.

1. Licence to Sin
2. Cheap Grace
3. OSAS
4. Easy Believism.

Why?
Why did the Devil created these concepts in Paul's day, that Jude warned about and Against?
Because The Devil knows that people are self righteous.
He knows that most people want a "hand in it", regarding being "right with God".
This is a rampant obsessive spiritual infection, within the Body of Christ.
95 % of all Denominations are built on "how to keep yourself saved by SELF EFFORT". = Galatians 1:8
Maybe MAYBE 5% Teach "Jesus Saved you and the Blood of Jesus will Keep you saved", = God's Grace

The devil is so so clever, and he is so so self righteous, so he empowers this in people.....especially Christians who are badly trained and are very religious.
The devil came up with this idea..
""I'll create the lie that God's Grace , when taught Correctly, is "license, and cheap, and easy believism"... I'm have them think that "just believing can't be ALL THEIR IS TO IT".......
And so, he has his deceivers substitute God's GRACE for "working" "enduring", 'abiding", and "commandment keeping", and SELF EFFORT, because they have been devil conned into thinking that if they just RECEIVE by faith the Gospel, and simple BELIEVE in JESUS< and are made RIghteous and SAVED, that this is wrong, because there are no works in it. Thats too CHEAP...THATs too EASY... Thats all of God and NONE OF ME...so, how can that be right..
The devil is smiling at this person.....

In Paul's day, these people said of Paul..>"""He is teaching that we are to sin, so that Grace will come"..
Tat is the twisted way these hyper religious reacted to "Saved by GRACE, through faith"< "without works".

Jude says...>"these liars have switched Grace..they have substituted WORKS for Grace, by conning people with the idea that Grace is "license" its "CHEAP".....its "EASY BELIEVISM".. (These are the lasted updated bumper stickers).
So, this mental trap, owns most Christians.....They are devil deceived OUT OF THE RIGHT UNDERSTANDING OF GRACE.
So very many see the right understand of Grace as "license to sin". or "easy believism".. etc.

Unfortunately the descriptions of easy believism are accurate and true. When obvious sinful behaviour goes unchallenged, and respected people are respected because of their role in an organisation and not their example of walk, faith has left the building.

There is a problem with legalism, salvation by works etc. but also a version of faith that removes any value of scripture or righteousness, where the bible is just one A4 sheet. The fruit of such a theology is to condemn me for sharing love and overcoming sin through our walk with Jesus.

And this is no minor conflict, because the language used is as above "the Devil created these concepts" which is typical of a condemnatory attitude.
What is also typical of those who have fallen into heresy is the anger and wrong spirit in which they deliver such ideas. The elect by definition listen to Jesus and follow Him. Praise the Lord we are secure in Him and the Lord keeps His people following Him, Amen. God bless you