Spotting the Heretic

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Wrong answer.
Someone else asked if I had access to a Bible .. no. I don't.... sometimes I do.
The right answer from you would be to post the text BEFORE being asked to, (if it is not too long).
i.e. in the original post.

You have no bible, and you are on a Christian Forum trying to be an expert on The bible.

I have one you can have.
Its new.
Pm me your address and i'll send it to you.
 

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Thats true.
The false Gospel of works is a redundant tired devil created lie that ruins Christian forums, and will continue to do so.
And you should know.
I don't know of any forum around here that teaches the true Gospel without letting the false gospels have free reign.
i.e. it is not a good place for someone to try to learn the true Gospel, is it ? Everything is, on purpose, mixed up , and allowed to be, even by the rules.
 
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He doesn't teach any truth..

You just denied Paul's very simple teaching that explains that because "Christ has removed the curse of the law", the born again are "no longer under the Law but Under Grace".

You said that this is a "False Teaching.."
 

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You have no bible, and you are on a Christian Forum trying to be an expert on The bible.

I have one you can have.
Its new.
Pm me your address and i'll send it to you.
Did you finish reading. Sometimes I have one. I am not in one place all the time.
I do not see any reference to expert on the Bible on the forum rules, descriptions, or measurements of the members/ posters / visitors.
 

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You said that "not under the law but under grace"..... = THE BORN AGAIN..

You said this is a "False Teaching".

Tell that to Paul.
He taught it.


"You have fallen from grace" (Paul) and this is for you....

Gal. 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

You are seeking to be justified from a verse out of the bible...that is the law of grace. So you are fooled into not seeing what you are doing because of your many assumptions and presumptions. God catches the proud in their own net...the way they think.

The law of the Spirit is the law of grace.
 
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He doesn't teach any truth.

Yes he does...otherwise there would be no basis for accepting what he teaches that is false.

He has to say some things that are true in order to get a base of followers with Christians...it is then that any false teacher begins to preach false doctrines on top of the true in an attempt to deceive his followers.

Wrong answer.
Someone else asked if I had access to a Bible .. no. I don't.... sometimes I do.
The right answer from you would be to post the text BEFORE being asked to, (if it is not too long).
i.e. in the original post.

That is not my style, as I said to you before (and I am not going ot change my style for you just because you are neglectful of purchasing a real Bible). My style is based on a reconciliation of Proverbs 12:23 and Proverbs 15:7...I disperse knowledge by giving the reference; but conceal it by not giving the quote.
 

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Yes he does...otherwise there would be no basis for accepting what he teaches that is false.

He has to say some things that are true in order to get a base of followers with Christians...it is then that any false teacher begins to preach false doctrines on top of the true in an attempt to deceive his followers.

The devil also quotes the bible. But the message means to undermine the truth. So Behold doesn't understand ANYTHING true about the gospel. Everything is there to serve his own ego. So he agrees Not with God's use of the word...but the enemy's use of it.

So unless you want to give the devil his due...
 
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You can purchase a Bible that will even fit in your pocket for about less than $15; if you go to the right store.
That still does not relieve you nor others of your responsibility to print the text , giving an answer for "the reason for your faith" or whatever idea it is that you believe in.
 

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The devil also quotes the bible. But the message means to undermine the truth. So Behold doesn't understand ANYTHING true about the gospel. Everything is there to serve his own ego. So he agrees Not with God's use of the word...but the enemy's use of it.

So unless you want to give the devil his due...
In reading your posts, I sometimes discern that you are off-base in some of your statements.

I haven't normally addressed these things with you....because I consider you to be basically harmless.

But of course, if anyone preaches salvation by works, they are preaching a false gospel.

That is not what you have been preaching for the most part; while sometimes I find hint of it in what you say.

But @Behold has been preaching some truth. He would just be better off if he gave Bible references for his statements so that we might know what is backed up by the Bible in what he is saying as opposed to what isn't. But, apparently he wants his unbiblical teachings to be accepted on the same level as his biblical ones.
 
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I don't know of any forum around here that teaches the true Gospel without letting the false gospels have free reign.
i.e. it is not a good place for someone to try to learn the true Gospel, is it ? Everything is, on purpose, mixed up , and allowed to be, even by the rules.

I call this situation you just hallmarked...>"letting the Heretics park and preach".

It is an unfortunate situation, because when... "who is lying using verses". is the end game on a Fourm, and the Mods just sit and watch the cage matches, then is this really a "Christian Forum"?
Here is what makes the devil happy.
He loves the fact that you can't be a brand new Christian and go to a Christian forum, anywhere in the world, online, and not be harmed by heretics.
The devil LOVES this fact.
And it is a fact.

When = "what is truth". "what is Grace"... "What does the Cross really mean"......is become the Abused Topics universal on a Christian Forum, there is a real problem.

Here is my vote...
Let everyone say what they want. Let the attacks be reasonable. No cussing. No saying, "you are not born again".
Paul used the term "Heretic", so, ........
Otherwise, ..... let people be angry, as it cant be any other way when 2 Spiritual dominions are always fighting on a forum.
Its always Grace vs Law.
Its always....you can lose your salvation = LAW keepers
vs
Jesus keeps you saved, = GRACE keepers.
Its always Light vs dark, and this is going to be an extreme FRICTION, always.

Here is what all forums should stop.
They should stop all discussions related to "losing salvation."
They should stop all discussions related to "pre-destined" elect.
If a Christian Forum STOPS those TOPICS, then 95% of the hatred and abusing, found on a forum, will stop.
If you want some peace and GRACE on a Christian Forum, then just stop those 2 topics from being Treaded, or Posted about, or discussed in any way.
Till then, you see what it is...
 

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In reading your posts, I sometimes discern that you are off-base in some of your statements.

Off base compared to what or whom? Yourself?

The problem here is that there is SO much dishonesty that no point can ever be hashed through. The ego of people gets offended and there's just ignoring or name calling.

So please show me how you are ON base and myself not.

Teach me Obi Wan! :)
 
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That still does not relieve you nor others of your responsibility to print the text , giving an answer for "the reason for your faith" or whatever idea it is that you believe in.
I have already told you my rationale for my style of ministry, you can take it or leave it.

You have a responsibility to read your own Bible, also.
 

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Sad to say, your post is seeming 'true' to start with,

until after the line about your vote.
Here is my vote...



The basics that you want to see stopped and not stopped,
are looking ecumenical (ie the false gospel extraordinaire) (the worst of the worse?)
 
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I have already told you my rationale for my style of ministry, you can take it or leave it.

You have a responsibility to read your own Bible, also.
There is a time to read the Bible, and God to grant the Understanding thereof.

Your ministry? It appears has failed.
 

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Sad to say, your post is seeming 'true' to start with,

until after the line about your vote.

The basics that you want to see stopped and not stopped,
are looking ecumenical (ie the false gospel extraordinaire) (the worst of the worse?)
Who are you talking to here?
 

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I already told you...
Why do you keep responding like this, without giving a reason for your faith as Scripture says to do ?

As if printing the text, showing what the Bible really says, will expose your teaching as false, like Clavary's has been shown false many times across the country.
 

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See what you wrote.???? its exactly wrong.
Im going to paraphrase you...

You said..>"if people want to stop sinning, they need to repent".

So, this is exactly the problem.... See, if you are repenting, you are SINNING. And "humbling yourself before the Cross", is just a phrase that sounds spiritual, actually, but wont deliver you from your sinning and repenting issue.

So, to stop sinning you have to stop resisting it the wrong way, as by resisting it by will, you enable the Law to cause you to want to sin more.
That is why you can't stop sinning. (committing works of the Flesh).
Resisting sin, by will , by "flesh", empowers the Law's dominion to enflame your passion to sin. It actually activates your lust to do that sin, or all of them.
So, as 20+ Threads have been teaching..... you should actually read one...... To stop sinning you have to stop believing wrong.
Its the wrong believing that has a person sinning and confessing and trapped in that vicious cycle of trying to stop sinning which causes you to want to sin more, = "The power of SIN, is the LAW".
You are not reading my responses just you repeated assertion I have a problem. As I said you cannot answer the point of walking like Jesus, so this is not on your horizon, so we will never agree. I wish you well, but to me you repeated ideas are just avoiding reality full of the religion you claim to hate.

It is ironic people often are what they hate. God bless you
 
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