Spotting the Heretic

[Nancy]

Its because you were adamant about "WE being laborers with Christ/God" in response to something that justbyfaith posted that he yanked out of context, from one of my Threads.

I decided to write tomorrows Thread, that i mentioned to you, before tomorrow, as i have no way to know if i will have time to do it.
Monday is typically my busiest day of the week.. So, i wanted to follow thru as i had said i would post this Thread.

Find it here..

The Twins

"Its because you were adamant about "WE being laborers with Christ/God" in response to something that..."

I would hardly say 'adamant' but I will say that it IS God AND us, and I gave you the scripture, or at least one of them to point out that it was from the Word itself!

1 Corinthians 3:9

 

[Behold]

1Pe 1:5, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Whose faith?
See, you don't even know this....do you.

Let me help you.

Hebrews 12:2. ...""""" JESUS THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH."""

= THERE IS YOUR "POWER OF GOD", > THROUGH "FAITH."

Its GOD's Power, because it's JESUS's Faith that is all based on God's shed blood on the Cross and DEATH.

ITS JESUS'S Faith, not ours that completes ours.....that God accepted ONCE< when we were born again.
This is why the verse tells you to "LOOK TO HIM"...as Jesus is "Christ in you the HOPE of Glory".
That "HOPE" is that we know that God and Christ start and finish our faith and our salvation.
This is the blessed HOPE.

Listen again...

"God who began Salvation in the Born again will Himself be FAITHFUL to Complete it"

NOT YOU. !

Jesus, (God) "is the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our FAITH"..

So, that is God and CHRIST taking care of our Salvation and our FAITH... from the Cross till FOREVER. = ETERNAL LIFE.


"Salvation is a GIFT".

 

[Behold]

"Its because you were adamant about "WE being laborers with Christ/God" in response to something that..."

I would hardly say 'adamant' but I will say that it IS God AND us, and I gave you the scripture, or at least one of them to point out that it was from the Word itself!1 Corinthians 3:9

God and "us"?
What is the "us" part you are trying to explain that you believer is your part in God's Salvation??


will talk to you later....


-B

 

[justbyfaith]

Whose faith?
See, you don't even know this....do you.

Let me help you.

Hebrews 12:2. ...""""" JESUS THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH."""

= THERE IS YOUR "POWER OF GOD", > THROUGH "FAITH."

Its GOD's Power, because it's JESUS's Faith that is all based on God's shed blood on the Cross and DEATH.

ITS JESUS'S Faith, not ours that completes ours.....that God accepted ONCE< when we were born again.
This is why the verse tells you to "LOOK TO HIM"...as Jesus is "Christ in you the HOPE of Glory".
That "HOPE" is that we know that God and Christ start and finish our faith and our salvation.
This is the blessed HOPE.

Listen again...

"God who began Salvation in the Born again will Himself be FAITHFUL to Complete it"

NOT YOU. !

Jesus, (God) "is the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our FAITH"..

So, that is God and CHRIST taking care of our Salvation and our FAITH... from the Cross till FOREVER. = ETERNAL LIFE.


"Salvation is a GIFT".

I'll agree with this...provided you are not talking about the nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith that falls away when tested (Luke 8:13).

 

[justbyfaith]

"Salvation is a GIFT".

Yes...and I agree that if anyone truly has salvation, they cannot lose it; because it is a gift.

Romans 11:29.

Also no one can add to it or take away from it.

Ecclesiastes 3:14.

 

[Behold]

I'll agree with this...provided you are not talking about the nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith that falls away when tested (Luke 8:13).

Go here :

What is "Amazing Grace"?

 

[mjrhealth]

I do not think you read what I wrote. Ofcourse our forgiveness and salvation is in Christ and who He is. So where is the "no" you are contradicting. I think you are just looking for things to object to even when they are not there.

Rom 12:9 Our love must me sincere, real, from the heart, alive, truthful, honest, with integrity, no guile.
It always amazes me when the lost find love such a mystery. But then we always assume the world is like us, and everyone understands life is just an act, while our hearts are lost and deeply evil. I actually spoke to one believer who lived like this and was definitely not going to let God sort herself out.

But then the sick of letting the living God see our real selves and then heal and resolve all our issues is scary. But surely it is more scary to be thrown in the lake of fire because who we are was never sorted. It is like night and day. If our hearts are full of darkness, how lost is that darkness without any hope.

It is obvious to me anyone who opposes these words still has a dark heart, and does not believe there is liberation and freedom in love. God bless you

I read what you wrote, it said there hope is in them, it is only in Christ. As for Love, yes incredibly hard to understand, Christians talk about love than insits that because others dont live up to "there" standards every one else is not good enough.

As for God seeing our reals lives being scary, no its not, He showed me years ago how when we stand before Him we are naked, nothing hidden so why Hide what God can see, all the presence all the facades all the doing He can see through it all.
The scary part is letting Him take over your life, no longer I but Him, no longer what I want but His will be done.

God bless

 

[RogerDC]

Salvation occurs the INSTANT God sees the Faith you have in your HEART , where you have truly Trusted in CHRIST,..... and God immediately, through HIS Holy Spirit, causes your dead Spirit to be born again ALIVE= INTO His Spirit.
Being born again, is to be born INTO GOD's Spirit, BY God's Spirit.
The Theology that Paul teaches to explain this is..>"Justification BY FAITH". "The GIFT of Salvation". "the GIFT of Righteousness"
We instantly become "ONE" with God and Christ = BORN AGAIN. (Eternal Spiritual Union)

You didn't really answer my question. You claim to be "saved", so YOU must know the point at which, as you say, "God sees the Faith you have in your HEART, where you have truly Trusted in CHRIST". So, when did that happen, exactly?

I mean, when God saw the faith in your heart and "instantly" saved you, did he send you a certificate of salvation, or something? If not, how do you know you're eternally saved - you could be just imagining things and deluding yourself (you could be mentally ill, for all I know). And how do you know you have enough faith to be saved?

Can you prove to me that God has written your name in the Book of Life for all eternity? Of course not ... all you've got is your opinion and your illogical interpretation of scripture.

 

[RogerDC]

The answer is found in Romans 10:13.

Technically, one is saved because of calling on the name of the Lord (John 1:12 is a parallel verse); as a direct result of doing so.

Now, one may be regenerated and renewed shortly afterward, or else at the moment of confession.

What matters is that salvation is wrought because the person calls on the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for salvation (see also Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12).

I see. So what happened to all those believers who once called on name of the Lord (Romans 10:13), but are now atheists? They must be still saved!

Since you like to interpret salvation verses in a strictly literal sense, you must accept this verse literally :
"Baptism ... now saves you" (1Peter 3:21).
All you have to do is get baptized and - hey presto! - you're instantly saved for eternity - no need to repent of your sins, or to even have faith!

And what about this verse?:
"Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.” (John 8:51).
Millions of Christians who keep Jesus' word have seen death - so what happened? did Jesus lie?

 

[justbyfaith]

So what happened to all those believers who once called on name of the Lord (Romans 10:13), but are now atheists?

There is no one who has genuinely called upon the name of the Lord who is now an atheist, who is not also now a prodigal son or daughter. If they were truly born again, they will return to the Lord.

Love never fails (1 Corinthians 13:8a) and the Lord is faithful (2 Timothy 2:13).

 

[Waiting on him]

Whose faith?
See, you don't even know this....do you.

Let me help you.

Hebrews 12:2. ...""""" JESUS THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH."""

= THERE IS YOUR "POWER OF GOD", > THROUGH "FAITH."

Its GOD's Power, because it's JESUS's Faith that is all based on God's shed blood on the Cross and DEATH.

ITS JESUS'S Faith, not ours that completes ours.....that God accepted ONCE< when we were born again.
This is why the verse tells you to "LOOK TO HIM"...as Jesus is "Christ in you the HOPE of Glory".
That "HOPE" is that we know that God and Christ start and finish our faith and our salvation.
This is the blessed HOPE.

Listen again...

"God who began Salvation in the Born again will Himself be FAITHFUL to Complete it"

NOT YOU. !

Jesus, (God) "is the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our FAITH"..

So, that is God and CHRIST taking care of our Salvation and our FAITH... from the Cross till FOREVER. = ETERNAL LIFE.


"Salvation is a GIFT".

And faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[RogerDC]

There is no one who has genuinely called upon the name of the Lord who is now an atheist, who is not also now a prodigal son or daughter. If they were truly born again, they will return to the Lord.

There are Christian pastors who lost their faith and became atheists. How do you know they did not "genuinely" call upon the name of the Lord?

How do YOU know you have "genuinely called upon the name of the Lord" and are eternally saved?

How do you know you have enough faith to be eternally saved?

 

[RogerDC]

There is no one who has genuinely called upon the name of the Lord who is now an atheist, who is not also now a prodigal son or daughter. If they were truly born again, they will return to the Lord.

Love never fails (1 Corinthians 13:8a) and the Lord is faithful (2 Timothy 2:13).

Since you like to interpret salvation verses in a strictly literal sense, you must accept this verse literally :
"Baptism ... now saves you" (1Peter 3:21).
This verse says, all you have to do is get baptized and - hey presto! - you're instantly saved for eternity - no need to repent of your sins, or to even have faith! Please explain why you need faith - or to keep your faith - if all you need to be saved is get baptized?

 

[RogerDC]

I read what you wrote, it said there hope is in them, it is only in Christ. As for Love, yes incredibly hard to understand, Christians talk about love than insits that because others dont live up to "there" standards every one else is not good enough.

As for God seeing our reals lives being scary, no its not, He showed me years ago how when we stand before Him we are naked, nothing hidden so why Hide what God can see, all the presence all the facades all the doing He can see through it all.
The scary part is letting Him take over your life, no longer I but Him, no longer what I want but His will be done.

God bless

What do you mean by "Love"? How does a believer "Love"?

 

[justbyfaith]

There are Christian pastors who lost their faith and became atheists. How do you know they did not "genuinely" call upon the name of the Lord?

How do YOU know you have "genuinely called upon the name of the Lord" and are eternally saved?

How do you know you have enough faith to be eternally saved?

I prayed to receive Jesus into my heart and also called upon His name at the time of my baptism.

His name is unmistakeable (Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12).

If those pastors genuinely called on the name of the Lord at salvation, they did not lose what God gave to them; while they may be outwardly professing atheism, there is a measure of faith still in their hearts. They are prodigal sons.

Since you like to interpret salvation verses in a strictly literal sense, you must accept this verse literally :
"Baptism ... now saves you" (1Peter 3:21).
This verse says, all you have to do is get baptized and - hey presto! - you're instantly saved for eternity - no need to repent of your sins, or to even have faith! Please explain why you need faith - or to keep your faith - if all you need to be saved is get baptized?

Scripture interprets scripture. Colossians 2:12 (kjv) says there must be faith in the operation of God. Also, baptism in titles may not actually cut it; because if baptism does save, it is baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth that saves (Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12).

What do you mean by "Love"? How does a believer "Love"?

He must believe Jesus for the impartation of the Holy Ghost and His love into the heart (Galatians 3:14, Romans 5:5).

 

[mjrhealth]

What do you mean by "Love"? How does a believer "Love"?

Have you given to a beggar on the street???

 

[FollowHim]

I read what you wrote, it said there hope is in them, it is only in Christ. As for Love, yes incredibly hard to understand, Christians talk about love than insits that because others dont live up to "there" standards every one else is not good enough.

As for God seeing our reals lives being scary, no its not, He showed me years ago how when we stand before Him we are naked, nothing hidden so why Hide what God can see, all the presence all the facades all the doing He can see through it all.
The scary part is letting Him take over your life, no longer I but Him, no longer what I want but His will be done.

God bless

Comprehension of english is interesting. A sentence can be read different ways.
So hope can be something the speaker has or the other party has. The hope of witnessing is that some will listen, or else the purpose is not to plant the seeds of the gospel but to testify that everyone had a chance to respond. So when I say there is hope in them, I mean I have the hope that some are listening. In your thinking which I cannot quite grasp, is I was referring to their hope in themselves. But this makes no sense to me how this sentence could mean this. It was not my meaning. I hope this clarifies what I meant. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

Comprehension of english is interesting. A sentence can be read different ways.
So hope can be something the speaker has or the other party has. The hope of witnessing is that some will listen, or else the purpose is not to plant the seeds of the gospel but to testify that everyone had a chance to respond. So when I say there is hope in them, I mean I have the hope that some are listening. In your thinking which I cannot quite grasp, is I was referring to their hope in themselves. But this makes no sense to me how this sentence could mean this. It was not my meaning. I hope this clarifies what I meant. God bless you

I would hope some would listen to, but we where warned many would fall away. By His Spirit we have access to God and Jesus, but no body wants them, study, religion all that stuff seems to be preferred.

 

[FollowHim]

I read what you wrote, it said there hope is in them, it is only in Christ. As for Love, yes incredibly hard to understand, Christians talk about love than insits that because others dont live up to "there" standards every one else is not good enough.

As for God seeing our reals lives being scary, no its not, He showed me years ago how when we stand before Him we are naked, nothing hidden so why Hide what God can see, all the presence all the facades all the doing He can see through it all.
The scary part is letting Him take over your life, no longer I but Him, no longer what I want but His will be done.

God bless

I have to say my friend we agree on our standing before Christ. He sees everything, and is prepared to work with us, if we are willing to work with Him.

And we agree that His work in our lives is to show and lead us into His perfect will.
Now you project on to me rules, standards etc. as if this is how I think. I do not judge others, for that is not my place, rather I call people to follow Jesus and listen to Him.

I suspect you think everyone is simply a rules based religious legalist. Gods elect are not like this, or ever are. If you hate judgementalism, you can become the very thing you hate, by replacing a rules based morality with a theological based morality. So I am guilty of sin because I express my faith with certain words or in a particular way, irrespective of my faith and love of God. It is this mentality that can lead to a belief as lost as legalism itself.

What for me is interesting, is the elect come from all backgrounds and no language barriers holds back the work of the Lord in their hearts. God bless you

 

[mjrhealth]

I suspect you think everyone is simply a rules based religious legalist. Gods elect are not like this, or ever are. If you hate judgementalism, you can become the very thing you hate, by replacing a rules based morality with a theological based morality. So I am guilty of sin because I express my faith with certain words or in a particular way, irrespective of my faith and love of God. It is this mentality that can lead to a belief as lost as legalism itself.

Gods elect could never boast of such a thing. But yes there is a lot of that goes on. God is not a Theological logic, you cant put God into a man made box, He simply will not fit.