I will not go so far as to say that...but I will go as far as to say that as long as I abide in Christ, I sin not (1 John 3:6); and that it is possible for a person to abide for evermore (1 John 2:17).
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Certainly.
The following verses demonstrate that the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross unconditionally redeemed ALL mankind:
“he is the expiation of our sins, and NOT FOR OURS ONLY but also for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD” (1John 2:2)
“God our Savior who desires ALL men to be saved … the man Jesus Christ who gave himself as a ransom for ALL” (1Tim 2:3-6)
“one man’s act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for ALL MEN” (Romans 5:18)
“Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the WORLD” (John 1:29)
“For God sent the Son in the world, not to condemn the world, but that THE WORLD might be saved through Him” (John 3:17)
“The death He died, He died to sin, once for ALL” (Romans 6:10)
“He has appeared once for ALL at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself” (Heb 9:26).
But although all mankind (even atheists) have been redeemed by the Cross, the benefits of redemption can only be “received by faith” (Romans 3:21-26). So to those without faith, the redemption is of no benefit at all - all mankind has been redeemed by the Cross, but not all mankind will be saved and make it to Heaven.
Nothing personal - just pointing out your flawed, illogical theology and the delusion and silly claims that arises from it. No need to pay me, I do this stuff for free.
I agree that we appropriate the blood of the Cross through faith...
But redemption is merely offered to all...not given to all; because the gift of salvation must be received in order for it to take effect.
It is misleading to say that all are redeemed by the Cross; because in saying it you may forget to add the other part...that they are only truly saved if they have faith.
It is much simpler to say that redemption is provided for all through the blood of the Cross...but that only those who have living and saving faith are genuinely redeemed.
Reading verses literally that shouldn't be read literally leads to junk theology and false beliefs. Little one, it's painfully obvious that you really do need an adult to teach you the correct interpretation of scripture. I suggest you study the Catechism of the Catholic Church instead of relying on you own very limited and inadequate powers to study the Bible.
And in doing so you ignore scripture and posts that are made that show the scriptural basis for why you are wrong.
Really? How does the context of 1 John 5:13 bear out that it ought not to be taken literally?
I believe that 2 Corinthians 3:12 (kjv) shows clearly that unless it is clearly given as a parable or using figurative language, everything in scripture is to be taken literally.
2Co 3:12, Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
And also, if the Catechism of the Catholic Church contradicts the clear teaching of holy scripture, I will believe scripture, thank you very much...
I would suggest also to you that your ability to understand the Catechism is just as limited as my ability to understand the Bible.
You didn't answer my question, so let's try again:
If a believer's works are irrelevant to his salvation, why does Paul warn believers in Gal 5 and 1Cor 6 that their sins can result in them ending up in Hell?
As I've pointed out to you before, none of verses say works are irrelevant to salvation and none of them say we are saved by faith alone. You've misinterpreted them.
1John 2:3-5 also says both "we know him":
"3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. "
I agree.
That passage also says we must keep his commandments to be "IN HIM" (v.5). So if you don't keep his commandments you are not "in him' and therefore won't be saved - you must be "in him" to be saved.
No, it doesn't. That is a childishly superficial, ignorant and illogical interpretation of that verse. Once again, you have read it literally when it is obvious - in light of the rest of the NT - that it shouldn't be read literally.
Believers will be judged the same way Jesus judged the believers in the seven Churches in Rev 2, 3 - ie, by their faith and their works. Read it sometime.
In Rev 3:4, Jesus says certain believers are "worthy" of salvation, due to their good works. Read it sometime.
Yet another childishly stupid literal interpretation of scripture. I won't waste my time explaining why. You are immune to reason.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church correctly and intelligently explains the necessary scriptures and presents infallible theology … whereas your theology is a childish, embarrassing, unintelligent joke.
Paul is not teaching that a believer can end up in Hell.
Galatians 5 is talking about hyper religious self righteous people who are trusting in themselves to try to get into heaven, instead of trusting in Christ ALONE to keep them saved.
Paul says that this loss of real faith in Christ, is to become "fallen from Grace".
Fallen from Grace is to fall away from the knowledge of God's Grace, and backslide into "walking in the Flesh". = Self Saving.
Randy Kluth
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That is a very common misunderstanding of the meaning of the word "hope" in Scriptures. In common English "hope" has the connotation of a "wish." But in the Bible, "hope" is a future certainty. This isn't just my conviction. This is a very common Christian view of the semantics of the word "hope."
Sorry, I don't know what kind of "Christian" you are, but you certainly are not conventional in your convictions! Both Arminians and Calvinists believe they achieve Salvation in some respects. To say you can't ever be Saved is to say you can't ever be a Christian! You're way out in left field, friend! You really need assurance of your salvation, which apparently you do not yet have! The key is to ask for a new nature from Christ. It is free, but you must choose to begin to put it into motion. It is as simple as following your conscience continuously.
You need to get saved! This isn't a "childish argument." This is a basic difference in beliefs. You should treat it as such, instead of getting all emotionally charged over different viewpoints.
Randy Kluth
Well-Known Member
The only one making himself look bad right now is you! You obviously have an anger problem, and perhaps even a "root of bitterness." That's the only way this kind of attitude is cultivated. You really don't handle disagreements very well. To call someone who disagrees with you a "BS Artist" is judgmental and unChrist-like. If you don't know you're saved, then you aren't saved, and have no authority by which to judge if someone even is saved!
The only way to know you're saved is to know the Lord Himself. Once you know who He is, then you know what His character is like, and how that character should be in you. If it isn't in you, obviously, you're not saved.
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