Well, that is your choice.
Along with the other things you posted in the past many times, it is false,
but that is your choice too.
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Along with the other things you posted in the past many times, it is false,
but that is your choice too.
Well, since there is no verse you know of that says God is a person, then why teach it is true?
Barney, God is this....
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Not a person, but simply what it is described above.
Did you know also, that, according to scripture, the Holy Spirit has a mind and also makes intercession for us?
It looks like you mixed my posts or me up with the other who thinks God is a person.
The Scripture, the Creator's Word, says clearly Yahweh is not a person.
God is most certainly a Person (Exodus 3:14).
He speaks to us throughout the Old and New Testaments.
Is it possible that something could speak and yet not be a Person or have personality?
BARNEY BRIGHT
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Just because you believe it's false doesn't mean it is. It's just your belief that it's false. Also how do you have a personal relationship with an it since you obviously believe God to be an it and not a person.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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It seems to me that you also believe God to be an it. How can you have a personal relationship with God if he's not a person.
'It" works for me since God has no hairy chest etc.
I understand God as 'light", and everywhere into infinity per the light.
Also, it is a light that can love etc.
All that this description of God is, is inside the (quickening spirit of a)man Christ Jesus, who has a celestial body now, that is everywhere into infinity.
I find God THROUGH Jesus now, not around Jesus.
"IT". is a door.
"IT" is a light.
"IT" is a narrow gate.
"IT" is a savior eternal.
"IT" is in harmony with all of "IT"s WORD.
"IT" is father of all the living.
"IT" is creator of the universe.
HE says HIS people shall call HIS NAME YAHWEH....
HE says HE is not a man (not a human), that HE could (ever) lie.
Ye, as in Athens in ACTS, ...... stay alert ! beware the false teachings... always....
A donkey could rebuke you, and if it did , would you then listen !?
Yet HE SAYS HE IS NOT.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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I'm not talking about a human being, I'm talking about God. God is a Holy Divine Spiritual being, a person
A donkey, rebuking me, would have to have an aspect of personality to it.
Where?
And how also does He say it if He is not a Person?
@Joseph77?
Did you suddenly put me on Ignore again?
How convenient for you so that you don't have to answer my question!
BARNEY BRIGHT
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I don't believe Jesus is God.
I believe that the best way to learn the truth about Jesus is to examine what he said about himself.
Jesus said at John 6:38- “I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me.” Now to me, that statement is a bit puzzling if Jesus were God. Jesus said he did not come down from heaven to do his own will. He said that he came to do the will of the One who sent him. If Jesus is God, who sent him down from heaven? And why did Jesus yield to the will of that person?
He made a similar statement in the next chapter, at John 7:16 Jesus said: "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me." So did Jesus teach his own ideas? Doesn't seem so, he said that his teachings belong to the One who sent him. I have to wonder: ‘Who sent Jesus? And who gave him the truths he taught?’ Wouldn’t that One be greater than Jesus? After all, the sender is superior to the one who is sent.
Consider, too, Jesus’ words at John 14:28: “You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.” Based on that verse, how would you say Jesus viewed himself in relation to the Father? Jesus viewed God as his superior. Another example, notice what Jesus told his disciples as recorded at Matthew 28:18. That verse says: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.” So did Jesus say that he always had all authority? God has always had all authority. So why did Jesus say all authority in heaven and on Earth has been given to him when the True God has always had all authority in heaven and on Earth? Since people say Jesus is God but the scriptures show that Jesus was given more authority who gave him more authority? God, but people say Jesus is God.
Here’s something else to consider: We’ve read that Jesus spoke of God as his heavenly Father. And when Jesus was baptized, a voice from heaven referred to Jesus as His Son. In fact, Jesus specifically called himself God’s Son. Now, if you wanted to teach me that two people are equal, what sort of family relationship might you use to illustrate the point? Two brothers? Perhaps identical twins? But Jesus referred to God as the Father and to himself as the Son. So, what message do you suppose Jesus is conveying? It seems to me Jesus is describing one individual as being older and as having more authority than the other.
Think about this: If person came up with such a fitting illustration of equality, that of brothers or twins. If Jesus really were God, don’t you think that Jesus, as the Great Teacher, would have thought of the same comparison—or an even clearer example of equality if that was what Jesus was teaching? But, instead, he used the terms “Father” and “Son” to describe his relationship with God, not one of equality.
If Jesus truly is God, wouldn’t you expect that Jesus’ disciples would have plainly said so?
Yet, nowhere in the Scriptures do we read of their teaching that. On the contrary, notice what one of Jesus’ early followers, the apostle Paul, wrote. At Philippians 2:9, he describes what God did after Jesus’ death and resurrection: “God exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name.” According to this verse, what did God do for Jesus? Doesn't the scriptures say God exalted him to a superior position?
But if Jesus were equal to God before he died and God later exalted him to a higher position, wouldn’t that put Jesus above God? How could anyone be superior to God?
I believe that the best way to learn the truth about Jesus is to examine what he said about himself.
Jesus said at John 6:38- “I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me.” Now to me, that statement is a bit puzzling if Jesus were God. Jesus said he did not come down from heaven to do his own will. He said that he came to do the will of the One who sent him. If Jesus is God, who sent him down from heaven? And why did Jesus yield to the will of that person?
He made a similar statement in the next chapter, at John 7:16 Jesus said: "What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me." So did Jesus teach his own ideas? Doesn't seem so, he said that his teachings belong to the One who sent him. I have to wonder: ‘Who sent Jesus? And who gave him the truths he taught?’ Wouldn’t that One be greater than Jesus? After all, the sender is superior to the one who is sent.
Consider, too, Jesus’ words at John 14:28: “You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.” Based on that verse, how would you say Jesus viewed himself in relation to the Father? Jesus viewed God as his superior. Another example, notice what Jesus told his disciples as recorded at Matthew 28:18. That verse says: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.” So did Jesus say that he always had all authority? God has always had all authority. So why did Jesus say all authority in heaven and on Earth has been given to him when the True God has always had all authority in heaven and on Earth? Since people say Jesus is God but the scriptures show that Jesus was given more authority who gave him more authority? God, but people say Jesus is God.
Here’s something else to consider: We’ve read that Jesus spoke of God as his heavenly Father. And when Jesus was baptized, a voice from heaven referred to Jesus as His Son. In fact, Jesus specifically called himself God’s Son. Now, if you wanted to teach me that two people are equal, what sort of family relationship might you use to illustrate the point? Two brothers? Perhaps identical twins? But Jesus referred to God as the Father and to himself as the Son. So, what message do you suppose Jesus is conveying? It seems to me Jesus is describing one individual as being older and as having more authority than the other.
Think about this: If person came up with such a fitting illustration of equality, that of brothers or twins. If Jesus really were God, don’t you think that Jesus, as the Great Teacher, would have thought of the same comparison—or an even clearer example of equality if that was what Jesus was teaching? But, instead, he used the terms “Father” and “Son” to describe his relationship with God, not one of equality.
If Jesus truly is God, wouldn’t you expect that Jesus’ disciples would have plainly said so?
Yet, nowhere in the Scriptures do we read of their teaching that. On the contrary, notice what one of Jesus’ early followers, the apostle Paul, wrote. At Philippians 2:9, he describes what God did after Jesus’ death and resurrection: “God exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name.” According to this verse, what did God do for Jesus? Doesn't the scriptures say God exalted him to a superior position?
But if Jesus were equal to God before he died and God later exalted him to a higher position, wouldn’t that put Jesus above God? How could anyone be superior to God?
ChristisGod
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See in red below by definition The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are Persons. And we know for a fact God Incarnate is a Divine Person. Since Jesus Person is Divine so are the Father and Holy Spirit Divine Persons.
Dictionary definition
1a human being, whether man, woman, or child: The table seats four persons.
2. a human being as distinguished from an animal or a thing.
3. Sociology . an individual human being, especially with reference to his or her social relationships and behavioral patterns as conditioned by the culture.
4. Philosophy . a self-conscious or rational being.
5. the actual self or individual personality of a human being: You ought not to generalize, but to consider the person you are dealing with.
6. the body of a living human being, sometimes including the clothes being worn: He had no money on his person.
7. the body in its external aspect: an attractive person to look at.
8. a character, part, or role, as in a play or story.
9. an individual of distinction or importance.
10. a person not entitled to social recognition or respect.
11. Law . a human being (natural person) or a group of human beings, a corporation, a partnership, an estate, or other legal entity (artificial person or juristic person) recognized by law as having rights and duties.
12. Grammar . a category found in many languages that is used to distinguish between the speaker of an utterance and those to or about whom he or she is speaking. In English there are three persons in the pronouns, the first represented by I and we, the second by you, and the third by he, she, it, and they. Most verbs have distinct third person singular forms in the present tense, as writes; the verb be has, in addition, a first person singular form am.
13. Theology . any of the three hypostases or modes of being in the trinity, namely the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
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