When you are in the Spirit, can you stay there, and not sin at all?When you are in the Spirit you can STAY THERE, and never willfully sin.
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When you are in the Spirit, can you stay there, and not sin at all?When you are in the Spirit you can STAY THERE, and never willfully sin.
When you are in the Spirit, can you stay there, and not sin at all?
What part are you looking at that tells us the one who remains saved is the one who clings to Jesus in faith?
By this you mean that we might or might not continue to trust Him, and that failing to continue to trust Him, we become no longer saved, this is correct?
Much love!
The one who does not cling to Jesus in faith can evidently fall away according to verses 1-8.
Yes, a person can have faith and then fall away (Luke 8:13).
Read one verse further . . .
9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
The writer is not speaking of things that accompany salvation. They are persuaded of better things than these, and things that accompany salvation.
These have NO root. Only an emotional experience. Even the demons believe! Testing shows who is genuine, according to Peter.
I don't agree.Whether such a person is truly saved or not is a side issue. For all practical purposes they are saved; while they are not of the elect. Because they have faith.
So let's look at it from a practical perspective. You say you have faith; and that this means that you are eternally secure. But can you be certain that your faith isn't the kind of faith that is spoken of in Luke 8:13?
Are you saved merely because you have faith? Are you eternally secure merely because you have faith?
Can we really say that shallow, lukeward, nominal faith is saving faith? Does God give us rebirth because we have a 'nominal faith'? We say we have faith but we don't?Because it is shallow, lukewarm, or nominal,
So some might become born again, regenerate, while not being God's elect?By salvation, here, I believe that the author of Hebrews is referring to being elected by God.
In and out of the Spirit? That's not Biblical terminology, I don't think.
We are either walking in the Spirit, or walking according to the flesh. Not in the flesh, according to the flesh. Either in the Spirit, or according to the flesh.
I believe those "according to the flesh" times take in all instances of sin in our lives, willful, unwillful, any and all sin. It comes from the flesh.
Much love!
When I speak of salvation in these terms (not being saved from a storm, for instance), what I am referring to is the we receive Jesus, and God gives us forgiveness and rebirth. We become a new person who didn't exist before, begotten of God, and no longer of the line of Adam. Being born God's child, we inherit Sonship with Jesus by adoption, and we receive His nature by birth.There is salvation and there is salvation.
I know I'm going in for a brain MRI because of a brain tumor, but I usually understand plain English. This I can't make heads nor tail of. Maybe rephrase. What are you getting at. My question is we are to walk in the Spirit. Do you think it possible to quit walking in the Spirit? And then go back into the Spirit another day?
Simply stated, I don't believe that any sin, whatsoever, results from our walking in the Spirit of God.
We can compare ourselves to the Love Chapter, to the Fruit of the Spirit, anything less than these is not the Spirit.
The fruit of the spirit is gentleness. If we are not being gentle, that's not the Spirit, and if it's not the Spirit, it's the flesh, and do we have power over the flesh?
I suggest that simply in resting in Jesus, gentleness wraps us like a blanket. And so on.
Much love!
I don't agree.
Being regenerate is so entirely different from remaining unregenerate.
You may say anything you like, however, saying you have faith does not save you. Relying on Jesus for life, receiving Him as Lord, however you want to describe what we do, we come to God in repentance, believing His Word, and He renders us innocent, and gives us new life. And that new life is forever, as I understand it.
In being reborn we are secure in Him, our Father.
Can we really say that shallow, lukewarm, nominal faith is saving faith? Does God give us rebirth because we have a 'nominal faith'? We say we have faith but we don't?
I don't think so myself.
Much love!
Past sin? Or all sin?1 John 1:7 pulled me up quickly from thinking like that. What type of sin is Jesus still cleansing us from? Isn't all our past sin already cleansed? This person is walking in the Spirit at the same time!
Past sin? Or all sin?
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
All sin. Meaning, any and every and all sin. No matter of what description. That which is not of faith is sin. If you know the good you should do and don't do it, this is sin.
All sin.
Much love!
I would point out from this that a man may believe that he is saved and yet may not be. He may for all practical purposes be a Christian and yet not be saved.
How then, is this doctrine, called eternal security, any kind of security?
How can anyone be certain that their assurance isn't a false one?
And verse 7?All past sin.
1 John 1:9 is how to BECOME a Christian, meaning only once, and you are born again and filled with the Spirit.