The Ten Commandments—What happened?

[historyb]

Lately, I'm hearing more and more about a doctrine which states that the ten commandments were nailed to the cross and that the Holy Spirit has replaced them. I recently asked my very aged father about this and he said that he'd never even heard of such a thing.

Me neither. I do know from Scripture that we are not under the law and at the same time if we love God we follow His commands which are summarized in the shema:

Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 22:37-40 NKJV.

We get read this in every mass in my Church

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Me neither. I do know from Scripture that we are not under the law and at the same time if we love God we follow His commands which are summarized in the shema:

Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 22:37-40 NKJV.

We get read this in every mass in my Church


Perhaps someday, somebody other than Jesus Christ will actually obey those first two Greatest Commandments and Deserve Heaven Like He Alone did......until then, take the “ Loophole” that God provided for those with the honesty, the humility, and the Self-Insight to KNOW that His Standard is too high for weak, Wretched Sinners like us to keep.REST in the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing and please God By Trusting in the Finished Work Of The Cross by His Son....Get for FREE what many Work their entire lives for.....they embarked on a “ Fool’s Errand”. Go with the Grace and Mercy that God will grant to all that ask fo it .... “ Lord, have Mercy on me, a Sinner.....”. It worked for me, the TRUE “ Chief Of Sinners)...... it will also work for you!

 

[justbyfaith]

That's your, wrong, impression. From the first incidence God gave his Law - in Eden - it has been with the view to the Redeemer of the sinner. That's why the Law of God shall never pass away or cease in purpose or meaning. But make the Law's purpose to show man he cannot keep it, and you defeated its purpose.

The purpose of God's law is to show man that he is a sinner in need of the Saviour (Romans 3:20, Galatians 3:24, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).

@Blood Bought 1953: Perhaps someday, somebody other than Jesus Christ will actually obey those first two Greatest Commandments and Deserve Heaven Like He Alone did

The commandments to love are keepable; in that the love of the Lord is shed abroad in the hearts of believers who have the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5).

Jesus Christ obeys those two commandments as He lives and moves through us (Galatians 2:20).

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

when he says the law is only good for leading people to Christ, he means now that I'm with Christ, I have no use for the law.

Then don't argue about the Law, throw it away, burn it! Finish with it and don't stay hanging onto it like a frog I saw hanging onto a huge truck's rear in traffic moving just fast enough it can't be brought to a halt by anything! ... and still claim you're a Christian?! That is "Christian pride"! (Spurgeon) "Nothing so cursed and despicable!" said he.

 

[justbyfaith]

Gal 3:24, Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25, But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Rom 6:14, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Rom 7:4, Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Gal 2:19, For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Rom 7:6, But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Eph 2:15, Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16, And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Col 2:14, Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Heb 7:18, For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19, For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Gal 5:18, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The purpose of God's law is to show man that he is a sinner in need of the Saviour (Romans 3:20, Galatians 3:24, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).

Which 'function' of the Law most of all Christ has taken over Himself because most of all it magnifies the Law of God.

The commandments to love are keepable; in that the love of the Lord is shed abroad in the hearts of

Did you find that the case yourself? Truth is to love is precisely that commandment which for the sinner is totally un-keepable so he can only pray that the love of the Lord be shed abroad in the hearts of sinners like himself. If he does not pray for it but boasts he already has that love, he simply is another lying sinner.

believers who have the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5).

This is the root of all religious hypocrisy and most abominable and abhorable. NO MORTAL 'HAS' THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, HE HAS BUT HIS OWN MORTAL FALLEN SINFUL SPIRIT WITHIN HIMSELF.

Jesus Christ obeys those two commandments as He lives and moves through us (Galatians 2:20).

Again the pride of the Christian most cursed and despicable.

 

[justbyfaith]

NO MORTAL 'HAS' THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD, HE HAS BUT HIS OWN MORTAL FALLEN SINFUL SPIRIT WITHIN HIMSELF.

You need to get a hold of what all of scripture says before you post; for you obviously do not know the scriptures well enough to be an authority.

2Ti 1:14, That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.

 

[justbyfaith]

Did you find that the case yourself? Truth is to love is precisely that commandment which for the sinner is totally un-keepable so he can only pray that the love of the Lord be shed abroad in the hearts of sinners like himself. If he does not pray for it but boasts he already has that love, he simply is another lying sinner.

Yes, I find that to be the case myself.

My prayer was the following: "God, I don't know if You're real; but I'm going to start reading Your word and doing what it says: and I know that if You're real, You will reveal Yourself to me."

At that point the Lord came over me by His Holy Spirit in waves of liquid love.

For about four minutes, I believed that I was in heaven, facing the Lord. I told Him, "I have to go back to earth and tell people about this love!" After a short conversation, He sent me back.

In my visit, I did not see anything, I was blinded to the realities of sight in heaven.

I have not always kept the commandments in the love of the Lord; I have been a failure on many occasions. But I never forgot what the love of God feels like; and it has always motivated me to desire to see souls saved into the kingdom, ever since the first moment I got saved. I believe that the love of God was shed abroad in my heart from that moment; while there have been times that the flesh has risen up and attempted to squelch that love with temptation. I have not always succeeded at resisting such temptation.

But I never lost the understanding of God's love within my heart.

He is an awesome God.

 

[Brakelite]

Then don't argue about the Law, throw it away, burn it! Finish with it and don't stay hanging onto it like a frog I saw hanging onto a huge truck's rear in traffic moving just fast enough it can't be brought to a halt by anything! ... and still claim you're a Christian?! That is "Christian pride"! (Spurgeon) "Nothing so cursed and despicable!" said he.

Just like to point out that I said he has no further use for the law...I am not talking about myself.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You need to get a hold of what all of scripture says before you post; for you obviously do not know the scriptures well enough to be an authority.

I certainly don't want my knowledge and understanding of Scripture measured against yours, no matter what the outcome.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I never lost the understanding of God's love within my heart.

Just what I have found most incomprehensible.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You need to get a hold of what all of scripture says before you post; for you obviously do not know the scriptures well enough to be an authority.
2Ti 1:14, That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.

"That good thing" Paul wrote is "the form / discipline of sound words WHICH thou heard of me (Paul)", j.b.f has the audacity to identify with <<the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in...>> ME J.B.F.!

 

[CadyandZoe]

Heb 7:18, For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19, For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Surely there is a reconciliation between these scriptures.

The commandment going before was weak and unprofitable; and it made nothing perfect. However, it, in and of itself, is perfect and has the power to convert the soul. While it does not have the power to impart life (Galatians 3:21). It is able to convert the soul by showing a man that he is a sinner in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20); thus pointing him to the Saviour who can impart life.

What seems to pass people's notice is that Paul's focus remains on one commandment only, not the entire law. God only changed one law. One law -- the Law concerning the atonement. Hebrews 7 is talking about the law concerning the high priest.

Remember? He tells you that it wasn't lawful for Jesus to serve as high priest while on earth. So Jesus was declared a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek. And he served as high priest in the heavenly temple, offering his own blood "once for all." As far as we know, the rest of the law remains unchanged.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

The purpose of God's law is to show man that he is a sinner in need of the Saviour (Romans 3:20, Galatians 3:24, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).



The commandments to love are keepable; in that the love of the Lord is shed abroad in the hearts of believers who have the Holy Ghost (Romans 5:5).

Jesus Christ obeys those two commandments as He lives and moves through us (Galatians 2:20).

The Command To Love God with “ALL” your heart... “ ALL” your mind and “ALL” of your soul ? Nope.Nobody But Jesus ever did this.Nobody But Jesus ever “will!”..... Grab hold of the Loophole....go with Grace.....Grace Plus Nothing....

 

[BarneyFife]

Me neither. I do know from Scripture that we are not under the law and at the same time if we love God we follow His commands which are summarized in the shema:

Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 22:37-40 NKJV.

We get read this in every mass in my Church

Summarized, yes. And outlined in the TEN.

 

[BarneyFife]

The Command To Love God with “ALL” your heart... “ ALL” your mind and “ALL” of your soul ? Nope.Nobody But Jesus ever did this.Nobody But Jesus ever “will!”..... Grab hold of the Loophole....go with Grace.....Grace Plus Nothing....

I'll pass on gracious lawlessness. Law-keeping merits nothing toward redemption. Zilch. And yet Paul says that only the doers of the law shall be justified (Romans 2:13). As CD Brooks used to preach: "Good works won't get you into Heaven but you ain't gettin' there without 'em!"

 

[BarneyFife]

Grab hold of the Loophole....go with Grace..

The idea that grace is a loophole borders on the abominable. I think I'm being charitable here.

 

[Brakelite]

The idea that grace is a loophole borders on the abominable. I think I'm being charitable here.

It's akin to describing Jesus as a get out of jail free card.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Would there not be an intrinsic moral value to simply obeying God because you recognise His authority over you?

Might I suggest the old covenant was never intended to exclude Gentiles? Therefore whatever provisions and conditions that were attached to the OC applied to Gentiles as much as Israel. The issue was Israel only seldom extended those privileges to Gentiles... They weren't offered the choice.

Do you believe all the feasts and holy convocations pointed in some way to Christ as the substance of the feast making them holy?

 

[BarneyFife]

It's akin to describing Jesus as a get out of jail free card.

That's actually true, but He is literally infinitely more than that and to hint at pigeon-holing Him as such is infinitely inadequate and therefore insulting and possibly blasphemous. IOW I agree with you in principle. I would just add "merely" before "a get out of jail free card."