The Ten Commandments—What happened?

[BarneyFife]

The number 613 commandments can be used as a representation of a doctrine; that there are more than just the ten written on stone tablets that we have to deal with, per Galatians 6:13.

It's a matter of semantics. You used the words "not inaccurate," I believe. Accuracy is not applicable to the number 613 (which is widely disputed) in the discussion regarding the total number of commands in the Torah or in the OT. This is a fact. I can't help that.

 

[justbyfaith]

It's a matter of semantics. You used the words "not inaccurate," I believe. Accuracy is not applicable to the number 613 (which is widely disputed) in the discussion regarding the total number of commands in the Torah or in the OT. This is a fact. I can't help that.

So, come up with an accurate # that will represent the doctrine. Otherwise, you are going to have to live with the fact that the # 613 is used to represent a specific doctrine concerning holy scripture.

Because that # has come to represent that specific doctrine; and therefore if you are going to dispute that #, you need to come up with a # that can represent that doctrine in its place, lest you become guilty of making a doctrine of holy scripture unpreachable.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

Actually, from the way you tried to diminish Jesus, when the verse in Hebrews 4 was actually speaking of Joshua in the Old Testament, if I had to guess, I would say you are more like JW.

SDA's would NEVER do that.

Looks like Jesus to me. So it is you who diminishes Him. I didnt write the bible but i do believe whats written in it. You should try to do the same

HEBREWS 4
[8] For IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.[9] THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST to the people of God.

 

[BOWnQUIVER]

So, come up with an accurate # that will represent the doctrine. Otherwise, you are going to have to live with the fact that the # 613 is used to represent a specific doctrine concerning holy scripture.

Because that # has come to represent that specific doctrine; and therefore if you are going to dispute that #, you need to come up with a # that can represent that doctrine in its place, lest you become guilty of making a doctrine of holy scripture unpreachable.

There are 1,050 commands in the New Testament for Christians to obey. Due to repetitions we can classify them under 69 headings. They cover every phase of man's life in his relationship to God and his fellowmen, now and hereafter. If obeyed, they will bring rich rewards here and forever; if disobeyed, they will bring condemnation and eternal punishment. Are the 69 found in the new testament figured in the 613? Must we follow those 69 commandments in order to be saved

 

[BarneyFife]

So, come up with an accurate # that will represent the doctrine. Otherwise, you are going to have to live with the fact that the # 613 is used to represent a specific doctrine concerning holy scripture.

Don't be ridiculous. I have no burden to provide a number to support a doctrine which I believe is false. Anyone can use the number 613 all they like, if they're satisfied with using an INACCURATE number. How presumptuous can you get?

The number 613 commandments can be used as a representation of a doctrine; that there are more than just the ten written on stone tablets that we have to deal with, per Galatians 6:13.

The only commands we have to deal with are the ones that are still good for man:

1Co 9:9-10 BBE 9 For it says in the law of Moses, It is not right to keep the ox from taking the grain when he is crushing it. Is it for the oxen that God is giving orders? 10 Or has he us in mind? Yes, it was said for us; because it is right for the ploughman to do his ploughing in hope, and for him who is crushing the grain to do his work hoping for a part in the fruits of it.

 

[Cooper]

When I was growing up in mid-20th century America, the ten commandments were the standard of morality for Christians. My Southern Baptist grandmother often asked me to mow her lawn (about an acre). But she would never allow me to do it on Sunday.

Lately, I'm hearing more and more about a doctrine which states that the ten commandments were nailed to the cross and that the Holy Spirit has replaced them. I recently asked my very aged father about this and he said that he'd never even heard of such a thing.

What happened?

If you read the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew, I think beginning at chapter five, Jesus gives us 50 new commandments. So yes, the old commandments were nailed to the cross, and now life with Jesus is much better, for example Jesus would have us care for the sick on the Sabbath. I have them somewhere in my notes, just ask if you would like me to post them.

 

[justbyfaith]

Don't be ridiculous. I have no burden to provide a number to support a doctrine which I believe is false.

So you contend with the # in order to deal with the doctrine. That is not honest argumentation.

 

[justbyfaith]

There are 1,050 commands in the New Testament for Christians to obey. Due to repetitions we can classify them under 69 headings. They cover every phase of man's life in his relationship to God and his fellowmen, now and hereafter. If obeyed, they will bring rich rewards here and forever; if disobeyed, they will bring condemnation and eternal punishment. Are the 69 found in the new testament figured in the 613? Must we follow those 69 commandments in order to be saved

Our salvation has nothing to do with our obedience to the commandments; except that we obey the commandments as the result of salvation and if we are truly born again.

We are redeemed solely through the blood of the Lamb. Jesus catches the fish and then He cleans them.

 

[Doug]

When I was growing up in mid-20th century America, the ten commandments were the standard of morality for Christians. My Southern Baptist grandmother often asked me to mow her lawn (about an acre). But she would never allow me to do it on Sunday.

Lately, I'm hearing more and more about a doctrine which states that the ten commandments were nailed to the cross and that the Holy Spirit has replaced them. I recently asked my very aged father about this and he said that he'd never even heard of such a thing.

What happened?

The ten commandments were given to Israel only. It was to show them their sin and turn them to God for righteousness.
We too, by them, can see our need for the imputed righteousness of Christ.

 

[justbyfaith]

The ten commandments were given to Israel only. It was to show them their sin and turn them to God for righteousness.
We too, by them, can see our need for the imputed righteousness of Christ.

The law is given as a schoolmaster to all men to lead them to Christ (Galatians 3:24). Before we were saved, we were all kept under the law (Galatians 3:23).

All the world will become guilty before God by the standard of judgment that is the law (Romans 3:19-20, 1 John 3:4).

 

[BarneyFife]

So yes, the old commandments were nailed to the cross

Absolute nonsense

 

[BarneyFife]

So you contend with the # in order to deal with the doctrine.

I wasn't dealing with the doctrine at all. I was addressing the question of accuracy. Try to keep up.

 

[BarneyFife]

Our salvation has nothing to do with our obedience to the commandments; except that we obey the commandments as the result of salvation and if we are truly born again.

Self-contradictory

 

[Cooper]

Absolute nonsense

And replaced by better.

 

[BarneyFife]

The law is given as a schoolmaster to all men to lead them to Christ (Galatians 3:24). Before we were saved, we were all kept under the law (Galatians 3:23).

All the world will become guilty before God by the standard of judgment that is the law (Romans 3:19-20, 1 John 3:4).

Redeemed by the blood, but judged by works. You know the Bible states it plainly.

 

[BarneyFife]

And replaced by better.

One God. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[Cooper]

One God. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Very true, and this is why the commandments of JESUS are eternal, while the Mosaic commandments that require stoning for example, are no longer in force. When did you last see adulterers being stoned to death?
.

 

[Behold]

When I was growing up in mid-20th century America, the ten commandments were the standard of morality for Christians. My Southern Baptist grandmother often asked me to mow her lawn (about an acre). But she would never allow me to do it on Sunday.

Lately, I'm hearing more and more about a doctrine which states that the ten commandments were nailed to the cross and that the Holy Spirit has replaced them. I recently asked my very aged father about this and he said that he'd never even heard of such a thing.

What happened?

Christ is the '""" END OF THE LAW for everyone one that Believes..""""

So, its like this..

God found fault with the 1st Covenant, the Old Testament. Why? Because the Commandments and the Law can't give you any righteousness, and they can't remove "sin consciousness".. They can't resolve your sin issue.

So, God created a "New Testament", and a "New Covenant" that removes the dominion of the law from you, and puts you "under Grace", which deals with your sin issue.
What is Grace?
Its the mercy of God that allows you to become righteous based on the blood of Jesus. = "the GIFT of righteousness".

So then what about the 10 commandments and the 2 that Jesus gave....
They are our moral boundary. They show us where the LINE IS DRAWN. They give us a glimpse of the holiness of God.
What can commandment keeping not do for you? = It can't save you.
Hell is filled with commandment keepers.
Hell is filled with people who tried to live a "moral life based on the bible".

Jesus said : "you MUST be BORN AGAIN".

 

[BarneyFife]

Very true, and this is why the commandments of JESUS are eternal, while the Mosaic commandments that require stoning for example, are no longer in force. When did you last see adulterers being stoned to death?
.

Where in the Bible does it say that commandments that required stoning are no longer enjoined upon believers? And, by the way, Who do you think gave Moses the commandments? Zeus?

 

[Behold]

Where in the Bible does it say that commandments that required stoning are no longer enjoined upon believers? And, by the way, Who do you think gave Moses the commandments? Zeus?

So, you would have christians to be stoned till death?