I'm not your dear.
Jesus does say that, but it doesn't address the perseverance of the saints. This is a diversion.
Is this how the RCC teaches you to interpret scripture? Luke 8 verses 11-15 is known as the parable of the Sower. It has a context, which you failed to consider. Cherry picking scripture is a way to get it wrong all of the time. And you walked right into it. Give your posts respect.
Once again, you provide scripture that does not say what you think it does. This in no way says that one can lose their salvation. Give your posts respect.
In what way does this parable teach that one can lose their salvation? Give your posts respect.
You don't seem to understand the doctrine of election. If you had, you would know that God predestined some for glory and others are not.
John 15:1-10 – we can be in Jesus (a branch on the vine), and then if we don’t bear fruit, are cut off, wither up and die. Paul makes this absolutely clear in Rom. 11:20-23.
Romans 11:20-23 says no such thing. It's you imposing your Catholic beliefs upon the scriptures. That's called eisegesis.
20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.
Do you never tire of trying to make the Bible say what you want it to say.
The true vine is another parable. I love them. The problem here is that you are again, trying to make it say what it does not say. Give your posts respect.
J
ohn Chapter 17, is the prayer that Jesus offered to God the Father on the night before the crucifixion. If you knew your scripture, you would know that the demise of Judas was foretold in the OT. Again, the doctrine of election is something you apparently do not understand.
Do, you a member of the one true church deny that Jesus meant what he said? That is shameful.
This scripture says that believers can be lost if they believed in vain. HELLO.... That means they never really believed. PERIOD. Give your post respect.
This verse does not support a thing you have said. It is therefore ignored.
If you are going to quote scripture, then quote it. These verses tell us about sins that hell worthy, yet in verse 11, you completely lose your point. Paul says that even the likes of these sinners, can be washed and made clean.
Yet more Catholic paraphrase. It is ignored.
We can choose not to cooperate with His grace. More Catholic made up dogma. Salvation is not a free will decision. It's a gift.
Hebrews 10:35 says this:
35 Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward.
Why are you adding to scripture?
This is a blatant attempt to misrepresent what the Bible says.
1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
If you want to quote scripture, then quote it. Your conclusions regarding the scripture have been shown time and time again to be your own ideas, not the scripture.
Can you tell me what Peter was saying about Paul and whom Peter is addressing? We can be carried away by lawless men such as the Catholic Church, but Jesus protects us.
(Philippians 1:2-6)
Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy, For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ .
Now, I have asked you to respect your own posts. I do that. I read every scripture for context and proper hermeneutical conclusions. I don't paraphrase the Bible. I care enough about you, to take the enormous amount of time it takes to address the things you say. You should give your own posts the care they require.
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In your first post to me you said,
no one can lose their salvation. Then you said:
Perseverance of the Saints from the scriptures
Yes, the saints had to
persevere and through their
perseverance they won the race and received their award.
Many seek to be right, and as a result, they fail to seek the truth. Un-harden your heart and quit with the hatred. Here's a couple more:
Romans 11:22: “Consider the kindness and severity of God—severity toward those who fell, and kindness toward you, provided you remain in his kindness; if you do not, you too will be cut off.”
Galatians 6:9: “Let us not grow weary of doing good; if we do not relax our efforts, in due time we shall reap our harvest.”
Philippians 2:12: “So then, my dearly beloved, obedient as always to my urging, work with anxious concern to achieve your salvation.”
1 Timothy 1:19: “Some men, by rejecting the guidance of conscience, have made shipwreck of their faith.”
1 Timothy 4:16: “Watch yourself and watch your teaching. Persevere at both tasks. By doing so you will bring to salvation yourself and all who hear you.”
Hebrews 4:1: “Therefore, while the promise of entrance into his rest still holds, we ought to be fearful of disobeying lest any one of you be judged to have lost his chance of entering.”
Hebrews 4:11: “Let us strive to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall.”
