FACTS ABOUT ABORTION

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@Grailhunter , idk you misinterpreted my words to mean that I think abortion is justifiable. That is the farthest from what I said. What I DID say is that not all who have undergone abortion did so by their own choice. I was forced...as was a young family member of mine (a cousin). And unknown many many SRA/MK survivors who were forced to undergo abortions at young ages.
Many women who "chose" to get abortions were under duress, and/or given false information about the life they were carrying. There are all sorts of reasons here for compassion. NEVEr to diminish the sanctity of the lives of the unborn ...but there is such a thing as regret and repentance ...and so many who feel they do not deserve forgiveness, but Jesus says otherwise. We ALL have been in need of the Savior. All.... ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

Now, to those who go and get abortions, knowingly killing their babies and mock at it ...and those "doctors" who profit from shedding innocent blood and love doing so .....that's a different story altogether. I do hope for justice and an end to the murders. God knows and sees ....and unless they repent, they will not escape judgment for what they've done.

As far as you are concerned....I understood what you said...to the extent with no details. "Forced abortion" Still sounds evil to me. Duress, bad counsel, I am sure it happens....Satan at work either way. My criticism is mostly against the institution of abortion. I am not going to pry, forgiveness is a tenant of Faith in Christianity so that is between you and Christ. Then again, how much fault is it of a young lady that gets involved in that process, it is a matter of circumstance. In the struggle against abortions or those that support it, the mother as a victim, is mostly ignored. How many women out their cannot forgive themselves? The government will pay for abortions but who thinks of the counseling that is needed for the mothers that made the wrong choice. We do not hear much from those that are hurting because that would be a deterrent for abortion.
 

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As far as you are concerned....I understood what you said...to the extent with no details. "Forced abortion" Still sounds evil to me. Duress, bad counsel, I am sure it happens....Satan at work either way. My criticism is mostly against the institution of abortion. I am not going to pry, forgiveness is a tenant of Faith in Christianity so that is between you and Christ. Then again, how much fault is it of a young lady that gets involved in that process, it is a matter of circumstance. In the struggle against abortions or those that support it, the mother as a victim, is mostly ignored. How many women out their cannot forgive themselves? The government will pay for abortions but who thinks of the counseling that is needed for the mothers that made the wrong choice. We do not hear much from those that are hurting because that would be a deterrent for abortion.
I didn't "get involved." I was born into a satanic family and I was pregnant by rape, as at other times. I was impregnated so that they could take my firstborn as a sacrifice to satan. I didn't choose abortion.
 
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Who here has heard of Abby Johnson?
 

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I didn't "get involved." I was born into a satanic family and I was pregnant by rape, as at other times. I was impregnated so that they could take my firstborn as a sacrifice to satan. I didn't choose abortion.
WOW! I am deeply sorry for your experience. Ok, WOW! Since you have chose to share...I am going to ask...you do not have to answer. Have you got professional counseling and or Christian counseling?
 

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WOW! I am deeply sorry for your experience. Ok, WOW! Since you have chose to share...I am going to ask...you do not have to answer. Have you got professional counseling and or Christian counseling?
When I began to get memories of things that had been dissociated away, yes, I sought help. I was in a church that was against counseling...and for good reason, as they were a Christian front for the cult. I knew they wouldn't help me, so I prayed and asked the Lord if it was okay that I get help/christian counseling. I'll share how He answered me...

I was in a church service where a visiting evangelist was preaching. He asked for people to come forward who needed prayer. So I did. When he came to me, he didn't even ask what my prayer need was. He placed his trembling hands on my forehead and said..."Oh Lord, this is too heavy for her! She cannot bear it alone!" That was my answer ....that God was okay with me finding a counselor. I will share soon how He confirmed to me who I could trust to help/counsel me.

Thank you for considering my testimony and replying with kindness. I did share a couple pages back about that abortion experience.
 

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Thank you for starting this thread. It is very important to get the truth out there.

I have something to share that relates, but is probably very different than most who have had an abortion.

I have shared elsewhere on the forum that I was born into multigenerational SRA and MK ultra. Another poster said that the abortion table may as well be an altar to satan....well, it is.

I want to first try to briefly explain the dynamics of what happens when a child is born into trauma from day one. Their mind learns to cope and survive by splitting into alternate personalities so that the experience and knowledge of those traumas are locked away and the front/host personality can go on and function in everyday life as if it didn't happen....almost.

I say "almost" because although the memories of being forced to endure late term abortion were locked away, I still suffered persistent effects of it. I had five beautiful children, and yet I always had the feeling that someone/s was missing. I would look at my children's faces and scan them...thinking they're not all here...count them, recount them....one, two, three, four, five...all here ...but why still do I feel like someone's missing?? It never made sense....

Until one day, those memories came flooding back. It took weeks for the memories to fully come back when I was in my mid_30's. First, I felt grief ...sadness, sorrow. I would be hit with such deep overwhelming grief, it was like being punched in the gut. My husband would come home from work to find me doubled over in the bed, holding my belly, weeping so hard that I could hardly catch a breath, let alone speak to explain what was happening. And honestly, I didn't know what was happening.

That went on for a couple weeks ...then one day, I was watching (of all things) America's Funniest Videos with my middle daughter. One clip came on that showed a woman in the kitchen, cutting up a chicken to cook. On the counter was one of those "magic 8" balls. All the sudden, I began to feel nauseous, an urgency to leave the room...because I didn't want my daughter to see her mother out of sorts. I excused myself and went to my room....and that same overwhelming grief hit me. Then, the memories came...

I was on a table, and I could see medical equipment. I'm given something orally and I feel contractions. I begin to feel an urge to push, but I fight it, knowing that if I do, I am pushing my baby into the hands of his murderer. But I cannot fight the urges much longer, and I push. The doctor "delivers" a dead mutilated chicken from my vagina. I am horrified. Then, he takes his forceps and pulls my baby son from my body ...he was small, but near full term... idk if I want to say more.... :'(

I was 10 years old. And others were taken after that. :(

Now, it made sense why that with each of my five children I raised, I would be fine until somewhere around 6 months or so. I'd begin to have this recurring nightmare. In it, I'd dream that I'm pregnant. I look down at my belly and smile...I can see movements, and feel so much love. I then see baby's hand like an imprint through my belly, and I put my finger there to touch baby's hand. Baby's hand grasps my finger and I feel so much love. But then, my baby slips out of me...and they are so small and bloody, mangled.... :'(

I never understood why until those memories surfaced. And after I have the memories, the overwhelming need to scan faces and count my children stopped.

Now, I know that this was a favorite practice of Joseph Mengele, who passed this down to those MK programmers he trained and mentored, like Lt. Col. Michael Aquino. Mengele loved traumatizing girls by making it look like he was delivering an animal before he took the child...

Anyway ...all that to say, that even when someone has locked away the knowledge of her abortion for years ....the effects are still there. For years, I suffered with fears around pregnancies and babies. It finally made sense.

@Ron Coates @APAK @Hidden In Him @Prayer Warrior @Heart2Soul .... Tagging y'all for emotional support....
@Grailhunter ... this is where I shared my experience. I guess it wasn't too many pages back.
 
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As far as you are concerned....I understood what you said...to the extent with no details. "Forced abortion" Still sounds evil to me. Duress, bad counsel, I am sure it happens....Satan at work either way. My criticism is mostly against the institution of abortion. I am not going to pry, forgiveness is a tenant of Faith in Christianity so that is between you and Christ. Then again, how much fault is it of a young lady that gets involved in that process, it is a matter of circumstance. In the struggle against abortions or those that support it, the mother as a victim, is mostly ignored. How many women out their cannot forgive themselves? The government will pay for abortions but who thinks of the counseling that is needed for the mothers that made the wrong choice. We do not hear much from those that are hurting because that would be a deterrent for abortion.
In my town, there is a ministry that has counselors on staff. I went there about 13 yrs ago and they are pretty helpful with giving ultrasounds to pregnant mother's, baby clothes, etc...and counseling. Now, they didn't know exactly how to help me because I had dissociation issues (and alter personalities). That was something they'd never dealt with before. But still, they were very kind.
 

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As a side note ...when the Lord was working healing in my heart related to this, I saw my baby son with Jesus. And I learned my son's name .....Isaac. (There is more to this, because the cult loves to mock Scripture and to twist it for their perverted purposes.) The alter personality who held those memories was named ....Sarah.
But the Lord redeems and heals.

A bit more to that story... @Grailhunter
 
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A bit more to that story... @Grailhunter

God bless you and guide you. You are describing some serious issues and events here. The spiritual side of it can be strengthening and can help you through it. So at the risk of seeming to pry....this statement here;

I was born into a satanic family and I was pregnant by rape, as at other times. I was impregnated so that they could take my firstborn as a sacrifice to satan.

This alarms me..."satanic family" Satanic as worshipers or satanic as twisted? Are they in prison? If not what is your relationship with them?
Do you have a support group, as in friends or Church group?
If you continue to have issues....which can be many....good counseling is important....but good counseling is hard to find sometimes. There are some level headed ladies on the forum here that could relate and give good fellowship and advise.

Any real connection to Satan...the rituals can be rather intrusive mentally and physically...leaves a certain amount of damage to both...these connections are not forgotten by Satan...he more or less has your number. Because of that Christian connections are all the more important...I am hoping you are not trying to deal with this alone, it is a serious matter. Surrounded by Christians, I mean really surrounded by Christians is your best bet and a strong and frequent presence in the Church of your choosing.
 

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Sending lots of (((( hugs )))) your way ....thank you for your bravery in sharing your experience.
Murdering innocents is a cowardly act...The Lord knows what I did, sharing on a forum is easy compared to facing Him
 

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Murdering innocents is a cowardly act...The Lord knows what I did, sharing on a forum is easy compared to facing Him

Sis, He knows your heart is broken over it. We all have done horrible things, myself included. None of us is perfect. God forgives ...just receive it. I don't see you as any worse that myself or anyone else who's been forgiven.

Have you ever heard of Abby Johnson?
She was a clinic manager for Planned Parenthood for 6 years, advocating for women's right to abortion. She eventually came to realize what she was advocating, and was broken over it. She turned to a prolife group for help, gave her life to God, and is now one of the biggest prolife advocates with a ministry that helps other women come out of the abortion industry.
About Abby — Abby Johnson
 
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God bless you and guide you. You are describing some serious issues and events here. The spiritual side of it can be strengthening and can help you through it.
Thank you. Yes, sharing helps, but also comes with serious risks.

So at the risk of seeming to pry....this statement here;

I was born into a satanic family and I was pregnant by rape, as at other times. I was impregnated so that they could take my firstborn as a sacrifice to satan.


This alarms me..."satanic family" Satanic as worshipers or satanic as twisted? Are they in prison? If not what is your relationship with them?
Do you have a support group, as in friends or Church group?


No, they are not in prison. This is something that is very hidden and is protected by people in high places. My family wasn't/isn't the only ones involved.

What is my relationship with them? My father accepted Christ before he passed away in 2005. He is with the Lord. :) I was given the privilege of praying for and with him many times over the years since I came to Christ at age 13.
My mother is still living...she has accepted Christ. She also was a victim from birth.
But there were many other perpetrators...uncles, aunts, cousins, neighbors, doctors, pastors, police officers, celebrities, politicians, religious leaders ....I know this sounds crazy, but within the realms of SRA (satanic ritual abuse) and MK Ultra, children get passed around a lot for various purposes.

I do have a support group...not within a church building, though. I have a handful of close friends who understand, listen, pray, etc. I am in a good place.

Any real connection to Satan...the rituals can be rather intrusive mentally and physically...leaves a certain amount of damage to both...these connections are not forgotten by Satan...he more or less has your number. Because of that Christian connections are all the more important...I am hoping you are not trying to deal with this alone, it is a serious matter. Surrounded by Christians, I mean really surrounded by Christians is your best bet and a strong and frequent presence in the Church of your choosing.
I'm doing okay. No, the cult doesn't take it lightly when someone breaks away. I am at risk 24/7 of abduction, punishments, retaliation, threats to loved ones, etc. The police is no protection. One honest man (local police) tried to help me after my home was shot (neighbor/retired police took a shot at me, seeing me through my kitchen window) ...he got nowhere and I didn't see him after awhile. Idk if they got him off the police force for trying to get to the bottom of the shooting, or what. The cult protects their own.
 
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Sis, He knows your heart is broken over it. We all have done horrible things, myself included. None of us is perfect. God forgives ...just receive it. I don't see you as any worse that myself or anyone else who's been forgiven.

Have you ever heard of Abby Johnson?
She was a clinic manager for Planned Parenthood for 6 years, advocating for women's right to abortion. She eventually came to realize what she was advocating, and was broken over it. She turned to a prolife group for help, gave her life to God, and is now one of the biggest prolife advocates with a ministry that helps other women come out of the abortion industry.
About Abby — Abby Johnson
I watched the film unplanned. I know there is hope in Jesus, even for abortion/murder. I read up on SRA and mind control. Can’t even imagine what you’ve suffered as a child. The Lord bless you and keep you sis :)
 
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Thank you. Yes, sharing helps, but also comes with serious risks.



No, they are not in prison. This is something that is very hidden and is protected by people in high places. My family wasn't/isn't the only ones involved.

What is my relationship with them? My father accepted Christ before he passed away in 2005. He is with the Lord. :) I was given the privilege of praying for and with him many times over the years since I came to Christ at age 13.
My mother is still living...she has accepted Christ. She also was a victim from birth.
But there were many other perpetrators...uncles, aunts, cousins, neighbors, doctors, pastors, police officers, celebrities, politicians, religious leaders ....I know this sounds crazy, but within the realms of SRA (satanic ritual abuse) and MK Ultra, children get passed around a lot for various purposes.

I do have a support group...not within a church building, though. I have a handful of close friends who understand, listen, pray, etc. I am in a good place.


I'm doing okay. No, the cult doesn't take it lightly when someone breaks away. I am at risk 24/7 of abduction, punishments, retaliation, threats to loved ones, etc. The police is no protection. One honest man (local police) tried to help me after my home was shot (neighbor/retired police took a shot at me, seeing me through my kitchen window) ...he got nowhere and I didn't see him after awhile. Idk if they got him off the police force for trying to get to the bottom of the shooting, or what. The cult protects their own.
Ok, How many definitions of MK Ultra are there?
MK Ultra....CIA mind control project.....
 

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Ok, How many definitions of MK Ultra are there?
MK Ultra....CIA mind control project.....
MK Ultra is kinda an umbrella term that consists of many projects. Another definition would be "trauma-based mind control."
I'm wondering if another thread for this subject matter might be helpful.
 

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I watched the film unplanned. I know there is hope in Jesus, even for abortion/murder. I read up on SRA and mind control. Can’t even imagine what you’ve suffered as a child. The Lord bless you and keep you sis :)
Thank you. I'm so glad you know there is hope and forgiveness in Christ. I have to remind myself of that often. In Him, we are new creations ...not murderers or adulterer, etc. :)
 
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MK Ultra is kinda an umbrella term that consists of many projects. Another definition would be "trauma-based mind control."
I'm wondering if another thread for this subject matter might be helpful.
We do not have to get into it deeply, because the discussion would not yield any real conclusion. The line between fact and fiction on this topic is difficult to define. The CIA...back in the day was highly effective and had some very significant successes. Because of that, and the fact that the technology they used was so advanced, the politicians were intimidated and rather than admit they did not understand, they left them to do what they wanted. Politicians are not real science savoy. You can see it when they pull tech companies on the carpet in congress...they cannot grasp the technical or science side of things.

So back in the day they were given cart-blanch permissions...well...technology plus unlimited funding...and secrecy lead to a closed society of sorts where they developed their own set of moral standards....moral standard that would seem to most of us to be somewhere between evil and insane. It is the same old story...total power corrupts...no accountability...is foundation of evil. The government / the politicians cannot protect the people because they are intimidated and blackmailed. It is a fertile field for conspiracy theories but the mystery only goes so deep. I had to work with these people and it is not that complicated. The story as a whole is complicated, but the problem is simple, they have political and physical power and they are nutz and ruthless...with no moral compass of right and wrong. More accurately explained, in their minds there is no such thing as right or wrong, just anything it takes to obtain an objective.

For this reason...other government agencies do not trust them. The FBI is pretty much in the same boat. Both agencies need to be shutdown completely and prosecutions and prison sentences handed out. The CIA and FBI play a political blackmail game against other agencies and branches of the government in order to stay alive. Both agencies are entirely corrupt and are of little use to their assigned purpose. Homeland security, NSA, Secret Service, and the US Marshall Service could take over the responsibilities until other agencies could be named and organized.

Either way...if you were involved with any of this, you would be well over your head.
 
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