My theory about the "Word" in John 1:1

[Heyzeus]

Lets REPROVE THIS ERROR,
you say you believe the bible, if so, Hosea 13:4 "Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me." did not Abraham know this "LORD WHO IS GOD? lets check the record, Exodus 3:15 "And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations."" now if Abraham was not know of God by YHWH why then YOU Have a problem. for "LORD, all cap is YHWH. lets have a look see... (smile).


well well, will, is that not a false statement that you made, listen to what you said, "
mmm .. everything I have said is from the Bible ... "El" was the God of Abraham -or some variation of the supreme God of the Divine Pantheon .. El Shaddai - God of the Mountain .. the Most High .. "The Father" The Creator .. are all atributes later ascribed to YHWH.

Call the new one "El YHWH" if you like - it matters not - same God"


say what? God was not know to Abraham as "YHWH"/Jehovah. yikes, I smell a lie here.

but what did you say?. "Ummm .. everything I have said is from the Bible ... "El" was the God of Abraham -or some variation of the supreme God of the Divine Pantheon .. El Shaddai - God of the Mountain .. the Most High .. "The Father" The Creator .. are all atributes later ascribed to YHWH.

Call the new one "El YHWH" if you like - it matters not - same God". so all those false name, as you said is, "atributes later ascribed to YHWH , Call the new one "El YHWH ".

now you do know that Exodus comes after Genesis... (smile... lol), right. listen up then, God in Exodus 6:3 said, "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I not known to them."

uh O, either God is lying, (God forbid), or you, and your bible scholars, and archaeologist are lying. I'll take the Latter.....

see Heyzeus, God never gave his Personal Name in the OT, but in name as to "WHAT" he is, yes. and as for "YHWH" or Jehovah, that false name is a lie, as with the rest of them, a false man made up names. don't get upset with 101G, God said he was not known to Abraham as YHWH/Jehovah, nor any NEW El YHWH.

and why do I make this point, those lying pen of the scribe, listen and learn, Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen."

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

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You have no clue what you are talking about... 1) God does give a personal name in the OT "El Shaddai"

2) El was the Chief God of the Caananite and Israelite Pantheon .. Israel is not Isra Yah ... is Isra El
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1116&context=studiaantiqua

 

[ChristisGod]

What part of the word "Unorthodox Doctrine" do you not understand - as that is the section you are in.. but do go running to the Mods if you think that will make the "bad thoughts" go away.

Sorry to burst your bubble but

1) Modern Bible Scholarship states directly that there is no Trinity stated in the NT -

Now clearly you disagree with Modern Scholarship but .. OK - then back up your claims. All you have done so far is turned tail and run from the teachings of the Jesus of Matt/Mark on the issue.

The disciples did not believe Jesus was God - "the Father" - nor did the author of John. Paul did not believe this either - and certainly not the authors of the Gospel of Mark/Matt

It is not some big secret that the Early Church did not believe that Jesus was God. If you didn't have John to pull from - as Christianity did not have until 100-120 AD - you would not have a single leg to stand on.. So what did Christians believe prior to John ?

The fact of the matter is that this idea that Jesus was "The Father" did not even exist until Tertullian .. around 200 AD .. and at the time this doctrine was considered heresy.

It was not until 325 AD that Jesus was transformed into the Father .. by edict of a pagan Emperor. It took another 500 years of killing "heretics" Christians who had a different idea - for the Modern Trinity Doctrine to prevail within Christianity.

Both Testaments declare the Son is God and is not the Father.

What bible are you reading ?

Gods Plural Nature in Persons are from Genesis - Revelation.

You have not learned Church History nor the History of Scripture.

 

[Heyzeus]

Both Testaments declare the Son is God and is not the Father.

What bible are you reading ?

Gods Plural Nature in Persons are from Genesis - Revelation.

You have not learned Church History nor the History of Scripture.

I agree that Matt/Mark depict Jesus as "NOT" the Father .. and have stated this position numerous times .. what part are you not understanding ?

 

[ChristisGod]

I agree that Matt/Mark depict Jesus as "NOT" the Father .. and have stated this position numerous times .. what part are you not understanding ?

You said He is not God , are you denying that now ?

 

[ChristisGod]

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You have no clue what you are talking about... 1) God does give a personal name in the OT "El Shaddai"

2) El was the Chief God of the Caananite and Israelite Pantheon .. Israel is not Isra Yah ... is Isra El
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1116&context=studiaantiqua

are you mormon ?

why are you quoting BYU ?

 

[justbyfaith]

I would suggest that Jesus is the Father come in human flesh (Isaiah 9:6).

For there is one Lord (Ephesians 4:5, Mark 12:29), even the Father (Matthew 11:25, Luke 10:21). Yet, no one can say that Jesus is the Lord, except by the Holy Ghost (1 Corinthians 12:3 (kjv)), even the Spirit of truth.

And Jesus is the one Lord (1 Corinthians 8:6).

So, if Jesus and the Father are separate Lords (for both are identified as "the Lord"), then there are two Lords; and that is contrary to holy scripture (Ephesians 4:5, Mark 12:29, 1 Corinthians 8:6).

Therefore, since Jesus and the Father are both identified as the Lord, and are also not separate Lords, but one Lord...therefore, they are the same Lord (1 Corinthians 12:4-6, 2 Corinthians 8:19).

Therefore Jesus is the Father (come in human flesh).

Yet He is also distinct from the Father (as He inhabiteth eternity, Isaiah 57:15) through the hypostatic union...in that He is come in the flesh.

For the Father is distinct from the Son in that the Father is an eternal Spirit that does not dwell in a human body. While the Son is that very same Spirit come to inhabit a human body. Thus there are two Persons in the Godhead who are exactly the same Spirit and therefore the same Person.

And the Holy Ghost has His origins in John 4:23-24, John 14:7-11, and Luke 23:46)...He is the Father after He has lived a human life and was then released back into eternity to exist side-by-side to His former self (John 1:1). With the title of Holy Ghost...which He even had as the Father before He was incarnated (in Luke 1:35).

 

[ChristisGod]

Now according to John 1 Jesus is "The Logos" according to John - emissary between man and God - Who spoke God's word through the Holy Spirit .. but- who was not himself God.

Page 1 of the Bible - Mark - should dispel any delusions of the relationship between the two.

Thomas calls Him God in John 20:28 do you deny this ?
Peter calls Him God in 2 Peter 1:1 do you deny this ?
Paul calls Him God in Titus 2:13 do you deny this ?

 

[Heyzeus]

You said He is not God , are you denying that now ?

I have never denied it .. what is wrong with you ? - (thats a strawman btw .. can't remember if it was you or someone else who did not know what one was) .. Pretending I have denied this position serves what purpose ?

in any case .. Jesus is not God - The Father. I did not Say that Jesus was not Divine ... comprende vous ?

 

[Heyzeus]

are you mormon ?

why are you quoting BYU ?

I have stated my religious background numerous times... Lutheran .. with clergy as relatives.

and you ? what is your excuse for nothing but Ad Hom fallacy .. so what if I was a Moron ... like ..

have you nothing better than name calling .. or is this descent into demonization of the other been implanted on your soul .. by nefarious religious leader .. ... do you need a poison lizard extraction ? I can help .. I believe in exorcism of demons ..

 

[ChristisGod]

I have never denied it .. what is wrong with you ? - (thats a strawman btw .. can't remember if it was you or someone else who did not know what one was) .. Pretending I have denied this position serves what purpose ?

in any case .. Jesus is not God - The Father. I did not Say that Jesus was not Divine ... comprende vous ?

another denial read my previous quote of your #147 proves otherwise.

no comprehende amigo ?

 

[Waiting on him]

I agree that Matt/Mark depict Jesus as "NOT" the Father .. and have stated this position numerous times .. what part are you not understanding ?

Of course, you have to be born of Him before He can be acknowledged as Father.

 

[ChristisGod]

Since @Heyzeus has denied that Jesus Christ as God is come in the flesh (see 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7), I would suggest to those wanting to stay true to sound doctrine that you simply avoid his posts.

Rom 16:17, Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

yes that is the spirit of antichrist one that denies Jesus who is God came in the flesh and remains in the flesh .

 

[justbyfaith]

yes that is the spirit of antichrist one that denies Jesus who is God came in the flesh and remains in the flesh .

It's best not to feed the fire...if you don't feed it, it will fizzle out.

 

[Waiting on him]

I have stated my religious background numerous times... Lutheran .. with clergy as relatives.

and you ? what is your excuse for nothing but Ad Hom fallacy .. so what if I was a Moron ... like ..

have you nothing better than name calling .. or is this descent into demonization of the other been implanted on your soul .. by nefarious religious leader .. ... do you need a poison lizard extraction ? I can help .. I believe in exorcism of demons ..

Why do you suppose Jesus breathes on them?

 

[Heyzeus]

Thomas calls Him God in John 20:28 do you deny this ?
Peter calls Him God in 2 Peter 1:1 do you deny this ?
Paul calls Him God in Titus 2:13 do you deny this ?

The interpretation of the Thomas incident in John is interesting .. the other two titles you cite are Pseudepigrapha so not much interested.

continue .. what about this passage .. what are the various different intepretations that you now of ?

Seems to me there are versions of this story in other gospels .. non canonical .. which is interesting... other versions of the story.
Clearly not all agree that this constitutes Jesus being called "The Father" .. as Biblical Encyclopedia's will atest.

So tell me about this passage .. and why we should discount all the other scripture contrary to your perspective on this passage.

 

[justbyfaith]

It's also true that if someone has a Jesus who is Jesus minus who He is in Luke and John, that that is a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible...see 2 Corinthians 11:3-4.

 

[Heyzeus]

Since @Heyzeus has denied that Jesus Christ as God is come in the flesh (see 1 John 4:1-3, 2 John 1:7), I would suggest to those wanting to stay true to sound doctrine that you simply avoid his posts.

Rom 16:17, Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

That's it Brother ... ostracize and demonize those with alternative perspective .. good thing we do not burn heretic's at the stake no more ! .. your kind is the type that likes roasting heretics. Nice side ..

You are in the "Unorthodox Doctrine" Section but now you want out .. OMG .. some "Unorthodox Doctrine" I found in the section of that name ...

Don't you want to at least try to defend your position against Satan's minions ?

 

[Heyzeus]

Why do you suppose Jesus breathes on them?

Not quite sure there is much of that going on.

 

[Heyzeus]

@Christophany, I would just avoid him...Romans 16:17.

Only respond to him if your response will prevent someone from being deceived by your estimation.

You are the deceiver - and have been avoiding "The Truth" like the Plague. Your last ditch effort is to close eyes, ears, and any other orifice that might let the bad news in - and engage in "demonization of the other"

 

[Heyzeus]

yes that is the spirit of antichrist one that denies Jesus who is God came in the flesh and remains in the flesh .

It is the spirit of the antichrist that has tricked people into believing "faith alone" dogma - and literalism.