The exploration of space and the possibility of extraterrestrial life

[TLHKAJ]

I also had dreams of flying through the night sky. I'd get to the large piles of crushed rock down by the lake and would dive into them. Instead of crashing, as I got near the rocks would part. It always ended there. That I can recall.

Do you remember actually dreaming these things? The reason I ask is that a lot of my memories like this, I would tell myself that I must've dreamed it. That way, I could push them away and believe they weren't true/real.

I have memories of similar things to what you described here...of flying (not out of body, or in a craft) ...and some involved going to very far reaches of the earth (such as Antarctica) and the memories end with me going down into a huge crevasse...underground.

I do have out of body memories ...all of those involved trauma. My first out of body memory was around 18 months to 2 yrs. One of those involved being given LSD ...at least, I am pretty sure it was LSD. From other people's descriptions, it sounds pretty similar. My life was so filled with trauma, that by age 2, I learned that being outside the body was a lot safer than being in it. (I was severely fragmented, so parts of me were still in the body.)

@APAK may have some info on how drugs were used in MK Ultra.

 

[JohnDB]

OR...
Some of these "unexplained" lights in the sky are simply hoaxes perpetrated by those wanting to perpetrate such things.

It's fun to see how a school science fair can be re-utilized for headlines in a local newspaper.

Something akin to a weather balloon but different and smaller could be had....more like an oversized whoopie cushion.
Then because helium is kinda hard to come by...lye and other chemicals can be mixed to make hydrogen gas. (And hope mom and dad don't catch us)

Then a stringer of a few battery powered lights attached. (Smaller dark blue balloon is attached to the other end of the stringer)

And boy howdy...
People get crazy when they see this stuff on a dry and clear night in the city. But what else is a bored teenager going to do?

 

[APAK]

Do you remember actually dreaming these things? The reason I ask is that a lot of my memories like this, I would tell myself that I must've dreamed it. That way, I could push them away and believe they weren't true/real.

I have memories of similar things to what you described here...of flying (not out of body, or in a craft) ...and some involved going to very far reaches of the earth (such as Antarctica) and the memories end with me going down into a huge crevasse...underground.

I do have out of body memories ...all of those involved trauma. My first out of body memory was around 18 months to 2 yrs. One of those involved being given LSD ...at least, I am pretty sure it was LSD. From other people's descriptions, it sounds pretty similar. My life was so filled with trauma, that by age 2, I learned that being outside the body was a lot safer than being in it. (I was severely fragmented, so parts of me were still in the body.)

@APAK may have some info on how drugs were used in MK Ultra.

@Ron Coates ...
MK Ultra Drugs - hallucinogenics, especially LSD and BZ, and other cocktails, to apply into the body at different intervals and in different regiments to cause entry into and aid in the manipulation of one's subconscious mind. Once inside the subconscious, to then insert programs, suggestions and triggers for immediate or latent specific results.

These drugs were not to actually the control substances or mechanisms. They were used to support and soften up the subconscious mind, in conjunction with the real mind controlling devices or mechanisms for physical and mental torture and abuse, and trauma...like sensory deprivation, excruciating pain induction in specific places of the body, oxygen deprivation, near-drowning experiences, extreme terrifying height experiences, extreme sound/frequencies into the body, electro-shock therapy, sexual acts, watching depraved acts, forces to eat disgusting things..and then usually supplemented with happy and safe things...this was cyclical in nature..until the planned result(s) was/were obtained.

Several sub-personalities could be then formed or just one or two, by these methods, and each personality dedicated to serve different purposes of the handlers or programmers.

These drugs allowed the unconscious to be pliable and porous for all these sick and evil actions and manipulations, whether seemingly pleasant or unpleasant, to invade and leave their imprint there.

 

[FollowHim]

Do you remember actually dreaming these things? The reason I ask is that a lot of my memories like this, I would tell myself that I must've dreamed it. That way, I could push them away and believe they weren't true/real.

I have memories of similar things to what you described here...of flying (not out of body, or in a craft) ...and some involved going to very far reaches of the earth (such as Antarctica) and the memories end with me going down into a huge crevasse...underground.

I do have out of body memories ...all of those involved trauma. My first out of body memory was around 18 months to 2 yrs. One of those involved being given LSD ...at least, I am pretty sure it was LSD. From other people's descriptions, it sounds pretty similar. My life was so filled with trauma, that by age 2, I learned that being outside the body was a lot safer than being in it. (I was severely fragmented, so parts of me were still in the body.)

@APAK may have some info on how drugs were used in MK Ultra.

It is unfortunate but it has been shown you can suggest things to people about events etc that have happened to them, and over time they come to accept them as being true, even though it can be shown it was just an outside suggestion.

This is why whenever people claim abduction events which come about because of hypnosis and then being taken back to previous events can actually create those events in peoples minds. Along with dreams, and the emotional symbolism our minds use to link people and events to these feelings, it can be hard to distinguish between real memories and dreams. When my father died I had dreams of talking to him, but I know he very rarely talked to me about anything, and there was no actual conversation between us, but it did feel like it had happened.

Equally people with low oxygen in the brain or suffering mental illness can hallucinate people and talk to them. It means the subject matter and who was involved, the when and the where need to be inspected closely.

I am very sceptical of any life outside our planet because everywhere we have looked at is unbelievably hostile to life.
Evolution as a theory to me is junk, because its foundation is adaption of an existing complex system. With all our advances in understanding, it has just proven life is impossible to create by chance. To change and adapt existing life is a different matter, because in built within life is the ability to change, else creatures could not survive with changing environments.

The more we learn about life, the more complex it actually appears. There maybe intelligent life elsewhere, but if you are in a fragile craft that has travelled a very long way, you 100% would not want to be discovered, because any damage to your craft is curtains, as there is no backup. And knowing how hostile most life is to outsiders, you would never want to show your presence. We talk as if we would be friendly, except with all the political pressures, it is always the armed forces who get involved and science which desires to analyse and take apart.

I have to laugh at the idea of voyager and its plaque. We cannot see even metorites miles across near earth, and we think a small space craft which is electrically dead will be seen by anything, lol.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@FollowHim
I know what are memories and what isn't. I also do not believe in evolution or alien life at all. I know they are fallen entities/nephilim. I have seen them for who they are at high level rituals (as a child).

 

[TLHKAJ]

@Ron Coates ...
MK Ultra Drugs - hallucinogenics, especially LSD and BZ, and other cocktails, to apply into the body at different intervals and in different regiments to cause entry into and aid in the manipulation of one's subconscious mind. Once inside the subconscious, to then insert programs, suggestions and triggers for immediate or latent specific results.

These drugs were not to actually the control substances or mechanisms. They were used to support and soften up the subconscious mind, in conjunction with the real mind controlling devices or mechanisms for physical and mental torture and abuse, and trauma...like sensory deprivation, excruciating pain induction in specific places of the body, oxygen deprivation, near-drowning experiences, extreme terrifying height experiences, extreme sound/frequencies into the body, electro-shock therapy, sexual acts, watching depraved acts, forces to eat disgusting things..and then usually supplemented with happy and safe things...this was cyclical in nature..until the planned result(s) was/were obtained.

Several sub-personalities could be then formed or just one or two, by these methods, and each personality dedicated to serve different purposes of the handlers or programmers.

These drugs allowed the unconscious to be pliable and porous for all these sick and evil actions and manipulations, whether seemingly pleasant or unpleasant, to invade and leave their imprint there.

Thank you so much!
@APAK Would you also post this in my MPD/DID thread? I want to share the experience I remember there related to this.

 

[farouk]

As someone who has seen a full sized saucer craft rising straight up in the daylit sky near me for several minutes, I can vouch that they probably do exist. Flying saucers, that is.

There is the possibility that my eyes, along with the people's who were next to me, were mistaken. I don't know what, if anything, was inside operating it, but flying saucers are often associated with aliens and the government. Maybe aliens exist, but my feeling is that what I saw was government involved.

@Rudometkin FYI:

 

[farouk]

Do you remember actually dreaming these things? The reason I ask is that a lot of my memories like this, I would tell myself that I must've dreamed it. That way, I could push them away and believe they weren't true/real.

I have memories of similar things to what you described here...of flying (not out of body, or in a craft) ...and some involved going to very far reaches of the earth (such as Antarctica) and the memories end with me going down into a huge crevasse...underground.

I do have out of body memories ...all of those involved trauma. My first out of body memory was around 18 months to 2 yrs. One of those involved being given LSD ...at least, I am pretty sure it was LSD. From other people's descriptions, it sounds pretty similar. My life was so filled with trauma, that by age 2, I learned that being outside the body was a lot safer than being in it. (I was severely fragmented, so parts of me were still in the body.)

@APAK may have some info on how drugs were used in MK Ultra.

@TLHKAJ What do you think of the legalizing of cannabis in many jurisdictions? do you think such dream-like memories can be produced or increased by it?

 

[TLHKAJ]

OR...
Some of these "unexplained" lights in the sky are simply hoaxes perpetrated by those wanting to perpetrate such things.

It's fun to see how a school science fair can be re-utilized for headlines in a local newspaper.

Something akin to a weather balloon but different and smaller could be had....more like an oversized whoopie cushion.
Then because helium is kinda hard to come by...lye and other chemicals can be mixed to make hydrogen gas. (And hope mom and dad don't catch us)

Then a stringer of a few battery powered lights attached. (Smaller dark blue balloon is attached to the other end of the stringer)

And boy howdy...
People get crazy when they see this stuff on a dry and clear night in the city. But what else is a bored teenager going to do?

One of the things they have planned to do is to create mass UFO sightings via Blue Beam technology. They have had this for many many years but there's no telling how far advanced it is now. One plan was to have their "messiah" appear in the skies worldwide and and every person would hear the image speak in their own language simultaneously. It wouldn't matter if there were 5 nationalities standing side by side, they would all hear it in their own native language.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@TLHKAJ What do you think of the legalizing of cannabis in many jurisdictions? do you think such dream-like memories can be produced or increased by it?

Idk, as I've never smoked cannabis.

I know people who used the oils for cancer and it worked. But they didn't use it to where it gave them a psychoactive effect.

I believe there's a mixed bag with that. I think cannabis is safer that alcohol which actually kills people. But anything can be abused.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at as far as dreamlike memories. Y'all are trying to say something I didn't say about the things I remember.

 

[JohnDB]

One of the things they have planned to do is to create mass UFO sightings via Blue Beam technology. They have had this for many many years but there's no telling how far advanced it is now. One plan was to have their "messiah" appear in the skies worldwide and and every person would hear the image speak in their own language simultaneously. It wouldn't matter if there were 5 nationalities standing side by side, they would all hear it in their own native language.

Uh....this is way beyond what I could do as a bored teenager.

However...
I've heard of radio frequencies that project into people's hearing and make you think that God is speaking to you. I just have no idea as to the physics of it.

 

[farouk]

Idk, as I've never smoked cannabis.

I know people who used the oils for cancer and it worked. But they didn't use it to where it gave them a psychoactive effect.

I believe there's a mixed bag with that. I think cannabis is safer that alcohol which actually kills people. But anything can be abused.

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at as far as dreamlike memories. Y'all are trying to say something I didn't say about the things I remember.

@TLHKAJ You indeed know what you remember; we don't; and we have to acknowledge you have been through some really bad experiences.

I don't think regular vaping/smoking inhales produce the sort of memories that some substances do.

Best of all, it's the revelation from God's Word that enlightens the heart and mind, profitably.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@TLHKAJ You indeed know what you remember; we don't; and we have to acknowledge you have been through some really bad experiences.

I don't think regular vaping/smoking inhales produce the sort of memories that some substances do.

Best of all, it's the revelation from God's Word that enlightens the heart and mind, profitably.

Thank you for clarifying.

I am not an advocate of vaping, though. I know a young woman who almost died from it. She was in a coma and nearly left behind a child and her husband because of it.

I think if we are to continue this conversation, there needs to be a.new thread so we don't keep this off topic. But idk what more I have to say on this subject.

 

[farouk]

Thank you for clarifying.

I am not an advocate of vaping, though. I know a young woman who almost died from it. She was in a coma and nearly left behind a child and her husband because of it.

I think if we are to continue this conversation, there needs to be a.new thread so we don't keep this off topic. But idk what more I have to say on this subject.

@TLHKAJ Sounds like for her it was a really bad experience!

Good idea: why not start a new thread worded as you would like a discussion to develop?

 

[TLHKAJ]

Uh....this is way beyond what I could do as a bored teenager.

However...
I've heard of radio frequencies that project into people's hearing and make you think that God is speaking to you. I just have no idea as to the physics of it.

Yes....voice-to-skull, or v2k. It is also called the "voice of god" technology.

 

[Truman]

Do you remember actually dreaming these things? The reason I ask is that a lot of my memories like this, I would tell myself that I must've dreamed it. That way, I could push them away and believe they weren't true/real.

I have memories of similar things to what you described here...of flying (not out of body, or in a craft) ...and some involved going to very far reaches of the earth (such as Antarctica) and the memories end with me going down into a huge crevasse...underground.

I do have out of body memories ...all of those involved trauma. My first out of body memory was around 18 months to 2 yrs. One of those involved being given LSD ...at least, I am pretty sure it was LSD. From other people's descriptions, it sounds pretty similar. My life was so filled with trauma, that by age 2, I learned that being outside the body was a lot safer than being in it. (I was severely fragmented, so parts of me were still in the body.)

@APAK may have some info on how drugs were used in MK Ultra.

Hi. Yes, I do remember these dreams. They were always the same and I had them dozens of times. I remember them clearly and I recall that it was like I was in an altered state of consciousness. I don't remember any feeling.
I also had a recurring dream where I was watching a train car, the kind that carries chemicals, slowly fall off the tracks. I had this one many times, too. In 1979, a train derailed in my town and 200,000 people were evacuated. 80 tons of chlorine gas evaporated into the atmosphere almost instantly. It was a scary time. BTW My town was Mississauga, Ontario.
All around the derailment lived hundreds of thousands of people except for a thin slice of undeveloped land directly south of it. Which is exactly where the wind blew it. At the time it was the largest peacetime evacuation in North American history until New Orleans and Katrina. Shalom.

 

[Taken]

The exploration of space and the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

Terrestrials and Celestials Exist.
1 Cor 15:38-41

Gods Created kinds of things, called a man KIND of thing, was Created out from its own Created Habitat, called Earth.

Certainly there is the possibility of other Created KINDS of creatures ON other Created Planets ...
Perhaps Visible to HuMAN Eyes, perhaps Not.

Gods Wonders, Mysteries, Secrets, Creations are Not Limited to Man's wonderings.

And Agree, A person seated as President IS privy to a wealth of information, KEPT Secret from Most Elected Representatives and All the Public at Large.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Seven of Nine]

Are you sure it was a near impact and not something that broke through the atmosphere and burned up?

Upon further thought, I suppose if it was that large, it would not have burned up quick enough to not take an impact.

I can't really be sure, but it looked super large from that distance. All I know is that it passed across the skyline and past the 100 foot tall treeline. I suppose it could have made impact somewhere. There was no sound though, so it was definitely really high up.

I was wondering if either of you have watched Hangar 1: The UFO Files, Ancient Aliens or NASA's Unexplained Files. There are several television programs addressing the UFO phenomena that I often watch, but these three programs are my favorites. Do you watch shows like these?

 

[Taken]

Uh....this is way beyond what I could do as a bored teenager.

However...
I've heard of radio frequencies that project into people's hearing and make you think that God is speaking to you. I just have no idea as to the physics of it.

I think it leans on affecting the sub-conscience, rather than the Logical Mind.

We logically look at an Image, Listen for a clear voice...but really anything we hear or see, can not be unheard or unseen.

For example: watching a TV program, can be programmed with flashes of imagery, your naked eye will not literally SEE, yet your sub-Conscience receives the image. And if your mind brings that image into your thoughts, it is puzzling to figure Logically.

Anyway, in Brief, that is my take on the issue.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[APAK]

Thank you so much!
@APAK Would you also post this in my MPD/DID thread? I want to share the experience I remember there related to this.

sure thing....