Would Jesus Support MAGA?
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Bobby Jo
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So GOD didn't send the Prophets?
Jeremiah 25:4 You have neither listened nor inclined your ears to hear, although the Lord persistently sent to you all his servants the prophets
Luke 11:49 Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,’ 50 that the blood of all the prophets, shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechari′ah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it shall be required of this generation. 52 Woe to you lawyers! for you have taken away the key of knowledge; you did not enter yourselves, and you hindered those who were entering.”
Luke 11:49 Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,’ 50 that the blood of all the prophets, shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechari′ah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it shall be required of this generation. 52 Woe to you lawyers! for you have taken away the key of knowledge; you did not enter yourselves, and you hindered those who were entering.”
... and GOD leaves the church WITHOUT GIFTS?
Ephes. 4:11 And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ; 14 so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles.
It seems to me that YOU are hindering those would HEAR and BELIEVE by discounting those who are SENT. Perhaps your "church leaders" believe THEY are the ONLY ONES you should listen to and NOT SCRIPTURE,-- when THEY'RE the LIARS, and Scripture is TRUE!
Bobby Jo
Bobby, lol, yes I do believe in gifts. But I only believe in prophets and apostles, so long as they repeat what God has told them, again only coming from him who is Good.
Seven of Nine
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TBH, I don't think Jesus Christ would politically endorse Trump or Biden and He has never settled for the lesser of two evils. He would tell both Trump and Biden to repent and turn away from their sins. However, I'm not sure Trump would respond well to Jesus telling him to repent of his sins, considering his personal hubris and his past comments on the matter (watch the video and read the articles linked below for reference). I'm not sure about Biden but I don't think he has the same level of personal arrogance as Trump has demonstrated through his words and behavior.
Trump on God: 'I don't like to have to ask for forgiveness'
Trump on God: ‘Hopefully I won’t have to be asking for much forgiveness’
Yeah I would be skeptical of anyone that hasn't asked for repentance. Someday, he'll have to respond to that from God.
Does not MAGA stand for Many Acknowledging God Again. Perhaps we should be claiming the this as the meaning of MAGA and not Making America Great Again, which seems to me to be leaving God out of the equation.
For that to be true they would have had to stop acknowledging God at some point. Which somehow I doubt.
Well you got it in one. Many have stop acknowledging God and many nations need more of their citizens to again begin to acknowledge God as their saviour. I am not a OSAS person. It is so easy to fail/fall away in our relationship with God. It is time for us all to get right with God again, even the so called righteous.
historyb
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Stumpmaster
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The USA makes some great TV programs. I hope that continues.
amigo de christo
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Sister you are loved . But its far safer and far better if we leave JESUS out of this .
His kingdom was not of this world . And neither is ours . And while trump is easily seen as a better choice than biden ,
Rest assured he is not a born again Christian . I would just leave this topic alone .
Michael1985
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Ziggy
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What would Jesus do?
Can you imagine the political scene when Jesus walked among men?
There was a Religious system that ruled over the Jews and A Roman system that ruled over them all.
The politics of the day I think would have been something like: Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's.
What does MAGA mean? Well we know the letters stand for Make America Great Again, but what does it mean?
We will make America strong again. We will make America proud again. We will make America safe again. And we will Make America Great Again!
Israel was formed as an army in the OT to protect the people from other nations that would rather they didn't exist.
Our own military over the last couple administrations had been depleted to the point where self- preservation would have been and had been questioned.
By making America Strong Again we were ensuring our national security of the people who live in it.
When Moses was talking to Israel concerning the Pride of the nation he said: And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?
We have the greatest Constitution in the world and it's being challenged every day. From freedom of speech, to the right to defend oneself, to speedy right to trial and justice.
By making America Proud Again we are renewing our vows to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights where Equal Justice Under the law applies to all. And the Right to Liberty and Peace prevail.
There were watchers set on hillsides to prevent others from coming in and abusing the women, looting their goods, and changing their way of life.
By making America Safe Again we built a wall to defend our borders and to be vigilent with security from the streets to your cellphone.
It's still a work in progress.
And if we do these things which somehow we have let slip in the past few decades, the hope is to Make America Great Again.
When Jesus came I believe his goal was to make Israel Great Again. But they were so caught up in the secular Roman world.
They lost their way. And from there a new path was created and called Christianity.
Noah's boat had sailed and the Nation of Israel traded in their ticket for the world.
Today Christianity and the freedom of religion is being challenged.
The world wants us so badly to follow them.
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
I believe MAGA is that which leads us back to the right path. To the Beginning. To bring back all that was good and wholesome about this country.
We've had some bumps in the road for sure. But like a child riding a bicycle, we have to learn to balance.
We fall down, skin our knees, cry a little and get back on until we get it right.
So would Jesus support MAGA?
In my opinion.. He always has.
Hugs
Can you imagine the political scene when Jesus walked among men?
There was a Religious system that ruled over the Jews and A Roman system that ruled over them all.
The politics of the day I think would have been something like: Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's.
What does MAGA mean? Well we know the letters stand for Make America Great Again, but what does it mean?
We will make America strong again. We will make America proud again. We will make America safe again. And we will Make America Great Again!
Israel was formed as an army in the OT to protect the people from other nations that would rather they didn't exist.
Our own military over the last couple administrations had been depleted to the point where self- preservation would have been and had been questioned.
By making America Strong Again we were ensuring our national security of the people who live in it.
When Moses was talking to Israel concerning the Pride of the nation he said: And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?
We have the greatest Constitution in the world and it's being challenged every day. From freedom of speech, to the right to defend oneself, to speedy right to trial and justice.
By making America Proud Again we are renewing our vows to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights where Equal Justice Under the law applies to all. And the Right to Liberty and Peace prevail.
There were watchers set on hillsides to prevent others from coming in and abusing the women, looting their goods, and changing their way of life.
By making America Safe Again we built a wall to defend our borders and to be vigilent with security from the streets to your cellphone.
It's still a work in progress.
And if we do these things which somehow we have let slip in the past few decades, the hope is to Make America Great Again.
When Jesus came I believe his goal was to make Israel Great Again. But they were so caught up in the secular Roman world.
They lost their way. And from there a new path was created and called Christianity.
Noah's boat had sailed and the Nation of Israel traded in their ticket for the world.
Today Christianity and the freedom of religion is being challenged.
The world wants us so badly to follow them.
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
I believe MAGA is that which leads us back to the right path. To the Beginning. To bring back all that was good and wholesome about this country.
We've had some bumps in the road for sure. But like a child riding a bicycle, we have to learn to balance.
We fall down, skin our knees, cry a little and get back on until we get it right.
So would Jesus support MAGA?
In my opinion.. He always has.
Hugs
Seven of Nine
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Examine the Fruit that manifests in his personal life and in his public appearances. He speaks words of malice and contempt. He sows seeds of discord and dissension with his words of malice and malicious behavior toward the people he doesn't like. He has fits of rage in his Twitter rants. He has used profanity to mock, insult and degrade other people (such as the African-American NFL players and third world countries). He has taken God's name in vain. He joked about shooting someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and he wouldn't lose any voters. The Fruit of the Spirit, which is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control, are not evident in his words and behavior.
"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other." - Galatians 5:19-26
Seven of Nine
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Also consider this teaching of Jesus... He said, "For out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks (Matthew 12:34; Luke 6:45) and "For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander" (Matthew 15:19).
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Ziggy
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Imagine what the spiritual leaders of the day thought of Jesus calling out the Hypocrites.
Jesus called them Fake News LOL
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
And a few more times calling them out right in public view.
And well, they didn't have twitter back then but Jesus did tweet:
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Maybe they didn't have 5th Avenue back then but they had millstones hung around peoples necks and tossed into lakes.
I don't think he was joking.. Jesus that is.
During the first State of Union Address, a welcome hand was put out for both sides of the aisle to come together and work together.
All the while knowing that they had very bad intentions on him and his family.
He was willing to forgive and forget, but they chose not to.
That was the turning of the cheek.
But they never let up, they persued their own interests rather than the people who voted him in. And they tried relentlessly to remove him with lies and deceitfulness.
Although many find his tweets rather abrasive and rude, what they fail to recognize is who the tweets are directed at.
Most of those tweets are directed at the Hypocrites or Fake News.
And when you really dig into those third world countries and who controls them and how they treat their own people, you probably would have some choice words also. He wasn't attacking the people, he was calling out the leaders of those people.
Sometimes you just have to try and see it all through a different set of lenses.
What would you do?
And knowing that there is none perfect, no not one, God sometimes uses the base things of the world to confound those who profess themselves to be wise. All the while knowing those "wise" are even baser than the one calling them out.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
I undersstand people's agitation with his words. But people need to listen to whom he is talking to.
Not everything he tweets is about us. Most times it's about them.
Who is them?
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
HUGS
Jesus called them Fake News LOL
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
And a few more times calling them out right in public view.
And well, they didn't have twitter back then but Jesus did tweet:
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Maybe they didn't have 5th Avenue back then but they had millstones hung around peoples necks and tossed into lakes.
I don't think he was joking.. Jesus that is.
During the first State of Union Address, a welcome hand was put out for both sides of the aisle to come together and work together.
All the while knowing that they had very bad intentions on him and his family.
He was willing to forgive and forget, but they chose not to.
That was the turning of the cheek.
But they never let up, they persued their own interests rather than the people who voted him in. And they tried relentlessly to remove him with lies and deceitfulness.
Although many find his tweets rather abrasive and rude, what they fail to recognize is who the tweets are directed at.
Most of those tweets are directed at the Hypocrites or Fake News.
And when you really dig into those third world countries and who controls them and how they treat their own people, you probably would have some choice words also. He wasn't attacking the people, he was calling out the leaders of those people.
Sometimes you just have to try and see it all through a different set of lenses.
What would you do?
And knowing that there is none perfect, no not one, God sometimes uses the base things of the world to confound those who profess themselves to be wise. All the while knowing those "wise" are even baser than the one calling them out.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
I undersstand people's agitation with his words. But people need to listen to whom he is talking to.
Not everything he tweets is about us. Most times it's about them.
Who is them?
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
HUGS
Bobby Jo
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... Trump and Pence are GOD's Chosen Vessels for this time and place in history, -- and I expect we will soon be able to validate their "Calling". :)
?Maybe three months?
Bobby Jo
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