After The Rapture

[Timtofly]

You are the one making the claim that abortion is against "God's word" - I simply said the Bible was silent w/r to condemning abortion.

Numbers 5:11-28 - "Gods Word" proscribes abortion
In Deuteronomy 13: 12-16 God commands the killing of babies and fetuses - and in numerous other places.

Do not blame your Biblical illiteracy on me.

So technically God should wipe the whole earth clean of humanity for their wickedness and not spare any one. It is about to happen.

Sorry how does taking something into a stomach effect the uterus? Are you saying they were creating a pharmaceutical drug concoction? Does the passage state they had to wait almost 9 months, 8 months, 7 months, etc to force an abortion?

 

[Timtofly]

1) Numbers 11 describes a procedure whereby the fetus is killed if the woman has been unfaithful - and no amount of denial on your part will change this reality
2) In Deut - babies and fetuses are killed due to idol worship by the parents of these children.

Killing a fetus - regardless of method or rational - is abortion. You are engaging in self deception.

You are turning God's Law of wrath against sin, to prove it is OK to sin and get away with it.

 

[Timtofly]

No he has not,he's in Heaven accusing the saints.Have you seen him?his evil spirit is here ,but he defacto will not until he is kicked out of Heaven.

his kids are doing his agenda,ie,the kenites are

Do you understand what it is to be an angel? Satan never stops. He cannot be in two places at the same time. He runs sheol. He as a "man" deceives humanity, and he is constantly accusing us before God. He is like that annoying mesquito that bothers all at a cook out. Except Satan buzzes all three locations without stop day and night.

 

[Ziggy]

What happens after the rapture?What will be going on in Heaven as well as earth?

Would love to have scripture support,however I will welcome opinions on this

Well, the first thing we're told is we will all be standing on a sea of glass.
Think about that.
The glass ceiling is now the floor.
And we are holding the harps of God.
The harps of God...
1Ch 13:8
And David and all Israel played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets.
Sounds pretty musical to me. I love music.

And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
1Ch 15:28
Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the cornet, and with trumpets, and with cymbals, making a noise with psalteries and harps.

So looks like while we're having a good time singing and being joyful.. something is stewing and it smells like jealousy.
And it came to pass, as the ark of the covenant of the LORD came to the city of David, that Michal the daughter of Saul looking out at a window saw king David dancing and playing: and she despised him in her heart.

Looks like that woman riding the beast.. I hate you David.

And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

What happens after the rapture?What will be going on in Heaven as well as earth?

Like the difference of being at a wedding party vs a barroom brawl.

 

[farouk]

Well, the first thing we're told is we will all be standing on a sea of glass.
Think about that.
The glass ceiling is now the floor.
And we are holding the harps of God.
The harps of God...
1Ch 13:8
And David and all Israel played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets.
Sounds pretty musical to me. I love music.

And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
1Ch 15:28
Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the cornet, and with trumpets, and with cymbals, making a noise with psalteries and harps.

So looks like while we're having a good time singing and being joyful.. something is stewing and it smells like jealousy.
And it came to pass, as the ark of the covenant of the LORD came to the city of David, that Michal the daughter of Saul looking out at a window saw king David dancing and playing: and she despised him in her heart.

Looks like that woman riding the beast.. I hate you David.

And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

What happens after the rapture?What will be going on in Heaven as well as earth?

Like the difference of being at a wedding party vs a barroom brawl.

@Ziggy I love the end of 1 Thessalonians 4, which speaks of the rapture: "Wherefore comfort one another with these words" .

 

[n2thelight]

Do you understand what it is to be an angel? Satan never stops. He cannot be in two places at the same time. He runs sheol. He as a "man" deceives humanity, and he is constantly accusing us before God. He is like that annoying mesquito that bothers all at a cook out. Except Satan buzzes all three locations without stop day and night.

satan is not on this earth right now ,his evil spirits are

Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"

This event brings us back into heaven. The war is between Satan [the dragon] and his angels, who are fighting against Michael and his angels. Satan will lose.

Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."

This is the time of the sounding of the fifth trumpet, when Satan and his fallen angels are released upon the earth for the final five months period, spoken of in Revelation 9:5, 10. Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years. After that thousand years, Satan [not his fallen angels] will be released for a short period, then go to perdition [perish]. Once Satan is kicked out of heaven, he will not be allowed to return. Today Satan is in heaven accusing the saints before the Lord.

This is prophesy that will come in the very near future.

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

If you were ever confused who Satan is, John calls him by the names he used while playing his different roles on earth. The "dragon" is Satan's role in that first earth age, when one third of all of God's children followed him. Satan's evil spirit is allowed on earth now, along with his demons. However, you haven't seen Satan in person yet. Satan and his angels, both physically and bodily, will come to earth just as they did in Genesis 6.

When Satan is cast out it will be as it was in the days of Noah. This is what Jesus said in Matthew 24:37: "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Mankind will be mixing with the angels, and the women even marrying them just as was going on in Noah's day before the flood. Sodomy will be common, and all forms of filth will be made public, and accepted and considered normal. The world and the kenite influence is preparing us, and our mind to accept all forms of filth in sex and marriage as being natural; and to consider their perversion as being of God.

Your acceptance and view of this filth of sodomy and religious form will tell you to what state of depravity your mind has sunk. The condition of your soul will be determined by what you know, and how you stand on these issues, at Satan's arrival to earth.

Revelation 12:10 "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power [authority] of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

This is why Satan's other name is "the accuser", for he continually stands before God's throne accusing all the saints of God. When you mess up, Satan will let God know about it. That is why it is important for us to repent immediately when we become aware of sin in our lives. Then all barriers between God and us are removed. Satan will continue to accuse you before God, right up to the time he is caste out to the earth.

 

[Heyzeus]

God condemned Israel for offering up their children as sacrifice to baal. In form abortion is offering up our children on the alter of free sex. Sex outside of marriage, that our government then made legal to just get rid of the consequences.

A soul is the result of human conception, where the brain is functioning properly in the development of a fetus. Why? God set it up that way. If God seperated male and female in the Garden, was he planning on them disobeying eventually?

Setting up laws has nothing to do with doing God's will or not. Making it legal for humans to sin in the face of God is wickedness.

 

[Heyzeus]

God condemned Israel for offering up their children as sacrifice to baal. In form abortion is offering up our children on the alter of free sex. Sex outside of marriage, that our government then made legal to just get rid of the consequences.

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The children were not sacrificed to Baal .. was to Milcolm or some such thing. This had nothing to do with free sex or abortion. Further .. in the early stages a child does not exist.. a zygote is not a child.

A soul is the result of human conception, where the brain is functioning properly in the development of a fetus. Why? God set it up that way. If God seperated male and female in the Garden, was he planning on them disobeying eventually?

Setting up laws has nothing to do with doing God's will or not. Making it legal for humans to sin in the face of God is wickedness

Cool .. so you think the soul is created.. a result of the coming together of matter and energy in the right configuration .. and the soul just appears out of this ..

Very interesting idea ..saying that a soul can be created by Matter coming into the right configuration.

 

[Heyzeus]

So technically God should wipe the whole earth clean of humanity for their wickedness and not spare any one. It is about to happen.

Sorry how does taking something into a stomach effect the uterus? Are you saying they were creating a pharmaceutical drug concoction? Does the passage state they had to wait almost 9 months, 8 months, 7 months, etc to force an abortion?

They tried all kinds of concoctions back in the day .. and of course these would be akin to pharmaceuticals.. in any case .. this was a ritual proscribed by God.

 

[Heyzeus]

You are turning God's Law of wrath against sin, to prove it is OK to sin and get away with it.

I am not turning God's Law into anything .. I am merely stating what the Law was. Since this is "God's Law" do you think we should apply the same today .. when ever a jealous husband suspects "Your Not the Father" - you know the shows ?

A Fetus was not valued highly by God .. a few sheckles .. according to the Law. Infantacide and Fetacide for the crime of Idolatry is also in God's law.

So should we kill all the Fetuses of parents who are worshiping other Gods ? Is this what we should have as law ?
and what about God's other Law .. Children are not to be killed for the sins of their parents .. ? Now God is in Contradiction .. a flip flopping God .. Is this the kind of God in which you believe ?

 

[Timtofly]

satan is not on this earth right now ,his evil spirits are

Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"

This event brings us back into heaven. The war is between Satan [the dragon] and his angels, who are fighting against Michael and his angels. Satan will lose.

Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."

This is the time of the sounding of the fifth trumpet, when Satan and his fallen angels are released upon the earth for the final five months period, spoken of in Revelation 9:5, 10. Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years. After that thousand years, Satan [not his fallen angels] will be released for a short period, then go to perdition [perish]. Once Satan is kicked out of heaven, he will not be allowed to return. Today Satan is in heaven accusing the saints before the Lord.

This is prophesy that will come in the very near future.

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

If you were ever confused who Satan is, John calls him by the names he used while playing his different roles on earth. The "dragon" is Satan's role in that first earth age, when one third of all of God's children followed him. Satan's evil spirit is allowed on earth now, along with his demons. However, you haven't seen Satan in person yet. Satan and his angels, both physically and bodily, will come to earth just as they did in Genesis 6.

When Satan is cast out it will be as it was in the days of Noah. This is what Jesus said in Matthew 24:37: "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Mankind will be mixing with the angels, and the women even marrying them just as was going on in Noah's day before the flood. Sodomy will be common, and all forms of filth will be made public, and accepted and considered normal. The world and the kenite influence is preparing us, and our mind to accept all forms of filth in sex and marriage as being natural; and to consider their perversion as being of God.

Your acceptance and view of this filth of sodomy and religious form will tell you to what state of depravity your mind has sunk. The condition of your soul will be determined by what you know, and how you stand on these issues, at Satan's arrival to earth.

Revelation 12:10 "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power [authority] of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

This is why Satan's other name is "the accuser", for he continually stands before God's throne accusing all the saints of God. When you mess up, Satan will let God know about it. That is why it is important for us to repent immediately when we become aware of sin in our lives. Then all barriers between God and us are removed. Satan will continue to accuse you before God, right up to the time he is caste out to the earth.

Adam was cast out of the Garden. He could no longer access the Garden. Satan does not live in heaven, he will just loose access to heaven. Satan was given a new home back when Adam was placed in the Garden. Satan has never been confined to sheol, but that is his home, when not at "work".

 

[Ziggy]

Exo 21:22
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

And yet no mischief follow..
Mischief: H611 'acown
evil, mischief, harm, hurt

Exo 21:23
And if any mischief follow, H611 then thou shalt give life for life, (eye for eye, tooth for tooth) ...

Psa 127:3
Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children.

And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

The book of Enoch mentions the fallen Angels and what they taught men on earth.
One such Angel:
6:12. And the name of the fifth is Kasdeyae; this one showed the sons of men all the evil blows of the spirits and of the demons, and the blows that attack the embryo in the womb so that it miscarries. And the blows that attack the soul: the bite of the serpent. And the blows that occur at midday, and the son of the serpent – who is strong.

I guess some things are never unlearned

 

[Timtofly]

The children were not sacrificed to Baal .. was to Milcolm or some such thing. This had nothing to do with free sex or abortion. Further .. in the early stages a child does not exist.. a zygote is not a child.



Cool .. so you think the soul is created.. a result of the coming together of matter and energy in the right configuration .. and the soul just appears out of this ..

Very interesting idea ..saying that a soul can be created by Matter coming into the right configuration.

First off, the past is the past. You can argue over pagan gods all day, if you want.

God "creates" us in the womb, using the natural biological process, and of course not all conceptions become humans. The point is it does not happen prior to conception. If you want to leave God out of the process, there is no creation. It would just be evolutionary, instead of created. You are making too much out of a simple fact.

 

[Timtofly]

They tried all kinds of concoctions back in the day .. and of course these would be akin to pharmaceuticals.. in any case .. this was a ritual proscribed by God.

It was not a ritual if God declares it. It was a bitter "medicine". My guess is no one obeyed God any way. You are turning God's Word into an excuse to be as wicked as you please. God’s chosen people were wicked by nature. The natural flesh God cursed Adam and Eve with. The Law just taught them, they could never measure up to God.

 

[Timtofly]

I am not turning God's Law into anything .. I am merely stating what the Law was. Since this is "God's Law" do you think we should apply the same today .. when ever a jealous husband suspects "Your Not the Father" - you know the shows ?

A Fetus was not valued highly by God .. a few sheckles .. according to the Law. Infantacide and Fetacide for the crime of Idolatry is also in God's law.

So should we kill all the Fetuses of parents who are worshiping other Gods ? Is this what we should have as law ?
and what about God's other Law .. Children are not to be killed for the sins of their parents .. ? Now God is in Contradiction .. a flip flopping God .. Is this the kind of God in which you believe ?

I accept a God who gave you the ability to reason. Even if your reasoning (in your head) portrays a God that contradicts Himself. You are not a robot with a programmed mind.

 

[Heyzeus]

I accept a God who gave you the ability to reason. Even if your reasoning (in your head) portrays a God that contradicts Himself. You are not a robot with a programmed mind.

Correct - but what does this have to do with abortion - other than we have established that one can not legitimately use scripture to support an anti abortion stance - least not in the early stages .. and certainly one should not be politically active to this effect - trying to get law past - "in the name of God" .. this would be putting words in God's mouth .. big time.

 

[Heyzeus]

It was not a ritual if God declares it. It was a bitter "medicine". My guess is no one obeyed God any way. You are turning God's Word into an excuse to be as wicked as you please. God’s chosen people were wicked by nature. The natural flesh God cursed Adam and Eve with. The Law just taught them, they could never measure up to God.

Of course it is a ritual ? just like communion .. and you are right about the not obeying God .. That is the story of the OT... Joshua 24 tells us that folks were not following "God's Law" with respect to slaughtering babies.

 

[Heyzeus]

First off, the past is the past. You can argue over pagan gods all day, if you want.

God "creates" us in the womb, using the natural biological process, and of course not all conceptions become humans. The point is it does not happen prior to conception. If you want to leave God out of the process, there is no creation. It would just be evolutionary, instead of created. You are making too much out of a simple fact.

Now you are out of your depth. Does the soul exist prior to entrance into the womb or not ? or - does God Create the soul - at the time of conception.

Just trying to figure out what you are trying to say

 

[Heyzeus]

Adam was cast out of the Garden. He could no longer access the Garden. Satan does not live in heaven, he will just loose access to heaven. Satan was given a new home back when Adam was placed in the Garden. Satan has never been confined to sheol, but that is his home, when not at "work".

The Bible tells us that Satan visits heaven from time to time .. along with the other sons of God .

Who are you to gainsay scripture ?

 

[Ziggy]

The Bible tells us that Satan visits heaven from time to time .. along with the other sons of God .

Who are you to gainsay scripture ?

Job 1:6
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

1Sa 10:19
And ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us. Now therefore present yourselves before the LORD by your tribes, and by your thousands.

So who gave Satan authority to present himself among the other sons?.. The other sons.
When we let "lawlessness" rule our lives, we give Satan the authority to accuse us.
wow.
Rom 2:15
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

Let's add thoughts and conscience into the soul/mind dilemma shall we.. ugh.

In my Father's house there are many mansions, if it were not so I would have told you.
You ever read the book, Pilgrim's Progress??