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Ferris Bueller

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I strongly suggest you stick with the NT that Jesus gave us by His Blood. Christian are not under the Law of Moses, period!
If you believe in Christ you are not under the law. You should know what that actually means before you use that phrase. You probably don't know what that means. You satisfy the requirements of the law when you believe in Christ and walk by the Spirit. That is NOT called being under the law. The person who is under the law is the person who can't keep it because he has not been set free from the law's power to make him sin. Only unbelievers are 'under the law'. They are the one's who are under it's power to make them sin, and condemn them for sinning. And, because they don't have Christ's sacrifice for sin, because they don't believe in it, they are still bound to keep the laws of sacrifice literally. And so they are 'under the law' that way, too.
 
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I believe in Christ, so based on your warning about burning in hell I guess I can put you down as one who does not believe in once saved always saved then, right?
Bingo!
Luke 13:24 (NKJV)
24 Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
 

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He died for both Jew and Gentile alike who would place their faith and trust in Him and what He did for them on the Cross.


( pssssttttt......you forgot to mention that the Cross and the Shed Blood are both Worthless in regard to your Salvation if you don't Repent Of all of your sins before you die,Right? In the end , your Salvation came down to “ Lucky Repentance”
To the uninitiated, allow me to explain how “ Lucky Repentance” for Salvation works:Two equal men......men Of Faith.....Born Again Believers for many years.....never miss church...tithe every dime ....take care of the sick and needy......serve food at the Soup Line every chance that they get.....you get the picture, right? Well , as fate would have it the found themselves repairing a damaged floor, beneath a heavy-duty table. Both guys accidentally hit their thumbs with the hammers they were using and let out a Curse Word That would make the late George Carlin blush! Well, one of the guys had a sudden heart attack and died , not having the Presence Of Mind to Repent Of His final Sin Before he kicked the bucket and of course , he was damned to Hell because he did not repent of a Sin. The other Guy? He also had a heart attack but had the presence of mind— the LUCK—-to say a real quick prayer before he gave up the Ghost......naturally, he was Saved. All because of Luck.In the End, everything else was a Waste Of Time.....
Faith? Pfffttt!......Obedience? Nope ......Love for God? Get outta here with that nonsense.......Love for your Neighbor? Think again, Chester........
When the Final Chapter was written , it Turned out to be just like many thought—- Faith in Jesus was “Necessary” for Salvation, it just wasn’t “ adequate” for Salvation.....something just HAD to be added to what some fools believed the Finished Work Of The Cross had accomplished .....that Addition was “Lucky Repentance “——- the Good Fortune to remember and Repent of all of your Sins before you die ....Best Pray for that above All Else! Everything else is a Waste without THAT!
So that, my friends is Lucky Repentance , a subtle, sinister Addition to the Gospel That MANY people Believe.....Believe that Perverted , False Gospel and “ Fall From Grace” ( Damnation, Perhaps ? ) .....TEACH that Perverted Gospel and be “ Accursed”—— God-Damned Forever....Why so Serious a charge ? God does not take kindly to those that “ Trample” The Blood Of His Son. Read Galatians ...it’s a very short Book.....then tell me that I am wrong.....
 

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Read Galatians ...it’s a very short Book....

It is written in Galatians that they who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the passions and lusts it craves (Galatians 5:24).

Then we read in James 1:15 “when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, brings forth death”. We are also told to mortify our members (Romans 8:13; Colossians 3:5).

Sin cannot manifest itself when the lust of the flesh is crucified and mortified.

You must be born again and crucify the old man (Romans 6:6) putting him off (Ephesians 4:22) because he is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts (Ephesians 4:22).
 
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I'm confident that you are defining 'preaching the law of Moses' as 'keeping the law of Moses in order to earn God's declaration of righteousness'. I'm not doing that. That's a joke. Any honest person who has tried to do that knows that is IMPOSSIBLE. You won't make it to the end of the day trying to do that. But if you mean 'preaching the law of Moses' as in 'the law of Moses is what gets upheld when you believe in Christ and walk in the Spirit' then, yes, I'm doing that. But I don't call that 'preaching the law of Moses' because that already has the connotation of trying to earn salvation by doing the works of the law. That I in no way teach.
Are you going to steal something before the end of the day? Lol
 
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Are you going to steal something before the end of the day? Lol
You are showing how little Christians know about what the law says. The church is so ignorant of the law because the church has been teaching everyone that it is irrelevant. And worse, that it's a sin to do what it says. If you knew what it says you would understand that the NT says to do the same things the law says to do (of the things that remain to be done). And you'd understand why the person trying to be justified by the law would fail so quickly in that pursuit instantly erasing any chance of being declared righteous by the law. Not to mention how his past sins have already robbed him of any possibility of being declared righteousness before God by the law (the law doesn't forgive some sin). But nothing about the inability to keep the law means we do not have to uphold the law in this new covenant of faith in God.
 

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It is written in Galatians that they who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the passions and lusts it craves (Galatians 5:24).

Then we read in James 1:15 “when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, brings forth death”. We are also told to mortify our members (Romans 8:13; Colossians 3:5).

Sin cannot manifest itself when the lust of the flesh is crucified and mortified.

You must be born again and crucify the old man (Romans 6:6) putting him off (Ephesians 4:22) because he is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts (Ephesians 4:22).
I think Christians don't realize it is their responsibility and obligation to put sin to death in their lives. Christ gave us the power to do that. Now we are responsible to use it.

Romans 8:12
12 ...we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it.

Romans 6:12-14
12 ...do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life...

I think Christians resist this Biblical truth because they have been taught by an ignorant and corrupt church that for you to put sin to death is you trying to earn your salvation. I know that you know this but for the sake of others reading this, we put sin to death BECAUSE we are saved and have the power of God in us to not have to sin anymore.
 
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So that, my friends is Lucky Repentance , a subtle, sinister Addition to the Gospel That MANY people Believe.....Believe that Perverted , False Gospel and “ Fall From Grace” ( Damnation, Perhaps ? ) .....TEACH that Perverted Gospel and be “ Accursed”—— God-Damned Forever....Why so Serious a charge ? God does not take kindly to those that “ Trample” The Blood Of His Son. Read Galatians ...it’s a very short Book.....then tell me that I am wrong.....
Purposely sinning is also trampling on the blood of Christ. That's the point Hebrews 10:26 is talking about. That's easily the more prevalent trampling on the blood of Christ that we see in the church today—sinning because you're under grace. The church knows nothing about doing right because you're under grace. It has trampled on the blood of Christ by rejecting that truth.
 
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Purposely sinning is also trampling on the blood of Christ. That's the point Hebrews 10:26 is talking about. That's easily the more prevalent trampling on the blood of Christ that we see in the church today—sinning because you're under grace. The church knows nothing about doing right because you're under grace. It has trampled on the blood of Christ by rejecting that truth.

You really Just set yourself up by your own words, You tried to condemn the one's dearest To God but judged yourself at the same time
 

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You're preaching the Law of Moses. You MUST obey ALL of it! You don't!
I was once in a conversation with a Seventh Day Adventist who was absolutely obsessed with the Law. Here is a statement below that he once made to me which demonstrates that he remains under the Law and teaches "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.
 
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Purposely sinning is also trampling on the blood of Christ. That's the point Hebrews 10:26 is talking about. That's easily the more prevalent trampling on the blood of Christ that we see in the church today—sinning because you're under grace. The church knows nothing about doing right because you're under grace. It has trampled on the blood of Christ by rejecting that truth.

I can sin as much as I want and STILL make it to Heaven....knowing “ that” has just the opposite outcome as you think it does....it makes me want to sin less ...
When God handed me my Freedom,He also handed me a New Heart .....A heart whose “ WANTS have been changed .....I could take a razor blade and slice off my lips if I “ wanted” to , couldn’t I? It just so happens, I don’t “ want” to ....it’s just like that when you receive your New Heart—- NOBODY can Sin and “ get away with it”..... if you are stupid enough to think you can abuse the Grace Of God and not be Chastised Severely.....have at it! Enjoy your trip to God’s “ Wood-Shed”..... you know what He has there? A Custom Paddle— designed just for you! God will punish Sin as a lesson to both you and others—- Chastisement for Sin has a way of diminishing it.....use a little if the Common Sense That God have you.....
We all have the freedom to Sin.....we all have the Freedom to abuse Grace and we all do both at times.....If you are a “ Child Of God” because you REST in the Gospel Of Grace Plus NOTHING , you CAN “ Sin and get away with it “ as far as your Salvation is concerned —- Salvation was a “ GIFT”, remember? ......and God’s Gifts are “ Irrevocable”......” when we are unfaithful , He is STILL Faithful— God will not deny His Word”
In a nutshell, it’s like “ this”...... the EXACT second I realized I could do what I “ wanted” to do and still be Saved, was the EXACT second I didn’t “ Want” to sin anymore.....Here’s the Secret Of Christianity....Do what you want to do ( you are going to do so anyway in the end) , expect to be punished if you choose to do wrong, and watch God Transform the “ Inside Of the Cup” changing you so that “ YOUR ” Wants Line up with “ HIS “ wants.....Jesus clearly taught when He said that “ Lust”was equal to “ Adultery” , that if you “ want” to commit a Sin, you are just as guilty as the person who goes ahead and “ does” it.....the only difference is that the one who succumbs to Temptation will be Chastised and the other will not.....
When one drops the Burden Of trying to Keep Themselves Saved by being “good enough” and realizes the only thing that EVER Saved them and Keeps them Saved is the Shed Blood Of Jesus Christ.....that realization produces the Love for God that God is looking for. This “ Love” is the Engine that drives the only Type Of Obedience that “ carries any water” as far as God is concerned—— an Obedience spurred by Love- NOT Fear.
“ Love God and live as you please....” Do you understand the thinking behind that? If you do....go to the head of the Class—- it’s the Ultimate Completion Of “ The Christian Walk”...... That “ Walk” is one of Love....NOT a Walk Of Performance, maintained by Fear and Will-Power....you know , all that “ outside of the Cup” stuff that impresses your “ church buddies”......God knows your Heart ....if it is not a “ New Heart” that LONG’S to please God, you are “ NONE of His anyway”.Go out and grab all the “ pleasure” you can From this Fallen World—- it’s the only “ World” you will ever know....God Bless....
 

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I was once in a conversation with a Seventh Day Adventist who was absolutely obsessed with the Law. Here is a statement below that he once made to me which demonstrates that he remains under the Law and teaches "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.
I've noticed that the works churches are more in the cults. All the rest fall into the abuse of grace churches. These days true religion is only found in individuals, not in a denomination anymore.
 
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if you are stupid enough to think you can abuse the Grace Of God and not be Chastised Severely.....have at it! Enjoy your trip to God’s “ Wood-Shed”.
Your posts are hard to read but didn't you then condemn serving God out of fear and that God is not pleased with that?