OSAS Deniers can “ Sin and Get Away With It Too! Here’s How!

[Taken]

That is immaterial the point is, OSAS preach people cannot lose their salvation and the Bible clearly teaches they can.
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Scripture teaches Jesus has Offered Salvation TO all men.

If you Heartfully Accept His Offering exclusively Yours to Take...it is given you and yours Forever.

If you Reject His Offering, exclusively Offered For you...awwww too bad ... you lose what was offered to you TO Take...

Adam and Eve could Have Continued to Live in the Garden....but awwww they Did NOT Take what was Exclusively Offered them.

Gen 3
[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Awwww...Even as they were being Sent out of the Garden....They could have taken What God Offered....which is a foreshadow of men, even on their way to Physical Death...they can reach out and accept Christ Jesus' Offering.....oh ya...as the THIEF hanging next to Jesus...having never done Works to Glorify God...On his Dying Breath...reached out and Accepted Jesus' Offering.

You can Receive Faith...you can loose Faith.
You can pretend you received Salvation...
(Because you confessed Belief in your Mind
Or Because you agreed to be dipped in water, or your mama had a Priest sprinkle water on your head)
ALL show for OTHER men.

Only one WAY to Receive Salvation of your soul and Quickening of your spirit...
And that All Hinges Exclusively on your hearts Confession of "Belief"...
--not Gods Gift of Faith,
--not a man's Works,
--not an other person's ultimatum or desire
--not by force

It establishes an exclusive Relationship between That one man and the Lord God...once and Forever.

Scripture Teaches and you should have Learned...That man IS Sealed unto The King of kings. Nothing can break the seal of the King....

But if you think otherwise...where is the Scriptural Teaching??

Zip.

Truth the Truth.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[kcnalp]

Absolutely. The Word of God, proclaims one having Become Sanctified ARE Perfected FOR EVER.

Can't say why you have never done that...but can say I have accepted and received the Lord Gods Gift of Sanctifcation and status of Perfected forever.

Heb 10:
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever Them that ARE sanctified

Do I sin...willfully or otherwise...?
No.

Do you need to hear that Again?
NO!

Oh great, another one who never sins! I guess John wasn't perfected yet.
1 John 1:9-10 (NKJV)
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Well no kidding.

Rom 10:
[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Perhaps you have not been paying attention..Many have "tasted" ...( heard The Word of Lord God ) for which God Blesses them with a small measure of Faith...

In their OWN wisdom...(excuses)...they Choose to Hear NO MORE...

DUH...not hearing MORE...they Receive Not More Faith...They have Departed from the Faith.

Many CURRENTLY are choosing to NOT hear the Word of God.

HAVING a measure of Faith....and Submitting to Accept The Lord Gods Salvation are Two entirely different things.

Absolutely men can Fall from Faith.
Absolutely NOT men can receive then lose Their Salvation.

1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

Couldn't be any clearer!

I have Zero obligation to explain to you...
The presentness of ARE Converted, ARE Forever With The Lord God and He with Them.

It is quite elementary, and your Right to Reject.

It is However VERY Revealing...that you exercising your right to Reject OSAS... IS ALWAYS coupled with personal jabs and accusations Against People who Trust And Believe and Reveal their Scriptural Standing.

Oh please, stop playing the victim. You just did exactly what you accused me of doing.

You must be remotely aware failure to provide your own Scriptural Evidence of your own standing ...IS a cautionary sign....for a man to beware of what you say.
As Well...
When "personal jabs are your reply" to requests for Scriptural evidence of your standing...
That IS a glaring RED FLAG sign...your standing is Not based in Scripture...but rather yourself.

Another "personal jab"!

I'll keep my following and Trust in the Lord God...

And say a prayer FOR you that you seek The Receiving of The Lord Gods Offering...and thereafter seek His Understanding.

Glory to God,
Taken

I was saved in 1978. Now you're saying I'm not because I reject your totally erroneous doctrine? Typical OSAS preaching! I'm AT LEAST as well of as you are.

As I said before OSAS preachers may have LOTS of blood on their hands on Judgment Day.

Matthew 24:13 (NKJV)
13 He who endures to the end shall be saved.

Amen Jesus!

 

[CharismaticLady]

I witnessed staff members commit adultery, yet the sin was kept quiet and hidden, and that staff member was allowed to keep their job . . . and wave their hands in the air as they continued to lead "us" into "worship."

I went to a church where this certainly didn't happen. We had two associate pastors that fell, and only one repented, but he was brought up before the whole congregation, and then went into counseling at the church, but could no longer lead worship.

The other one refused to repent, and left the church. But he stayed in touch with a few people and one of them told him to call me for counseling and gave him my number. We counseled for a few months until he finally had a break-through, all of which I saw in a vision about an hour before, so I knew what to do! Wow, it was like watching a rerun of my favorite movie.

 

[Taken]

Oh great, another one who never sins! I guess John wasn't perfected yet.

No guesswork required.
John was Saved, born Again Perfected IN Christ.
"Seems you missed that Revealed Scriptural Knowledge"
John taught a Truth, learned from Jesus.

1 John 1:9-10 (NKJV)

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Well NO Kidding!!!
Scripture 101...
Believe, Repent, Submit, Become Converted!

Nothing new, as I have Expressed on Numerous Occasions IN Detail ON THIS FORUM.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

No kidding!!
LOL-
Anyone confessing Belief and Repentance ... is Not someone claiming to HAVE NO SIN...
Kind of Odd you don't know that!

1 Timothy 4:1 (NKJV)

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

Not news, already covered.
Some will depart from Faith ...

But Departing from Faith IS NOT the Topic.
RECEIVING Salvation and then Losing Salvation IS the Topic.

Couldn't be any clearer!

No one is disputing the Clearness of departing from the Faith.

Apparently you do NOT KNOW the Difference Between "FAITH" and "Salvation"

Oh please, stop playing the victim. You just did exactly what you accused me of doing.

Playing the victim? That is an oddball accusation... A victim has been caused a harm...there is nothing you can do to harm me.

I was saved in 1978. Now you're saying I'm not because I reject your totally erroneous doctrine?

Uh pay attention...THOSE ^^^ Are you words, saying you are not ...NOT mine!

Typical OSAS preacher!

LOL...what IS Typical...is what you have proven...Applies to you.
1) you present NOT ONE Scripture to support your Claim, that a Converted man CAN lose his salvation.
2) you deflect from Salvation to Faith.
3) you make a false claim for me, by speaking For me, what I did not Say.

And the Funniest of ALL OSAS Deniers...
Is they claim to have ONLY been Saved ONCE!!!! That is Funny!

As many times as OSAS has been a topic of discussion....your old worn out tactics, deflections, false accusation...prove nothing but your mode of how you operate.

Not a flattering reflection on you.

Matthew 24:13 (NKJV)

13 He who endures to the end shall be saved.

Which is it?

I was saved in 1978.

Matt 24:13 ...[/B] shall be Saved [/B] ?

Seems to be some confusion on your part.

 

[kcnalp]

No guesswork required.
John was Saved, born Again Perfected IN Christ.
"Seems you missed that Revealed Scriptural Knowledge"
John taught a Truth, learned from Jesus.

John included himself. He wasn't sinless.
1 John 1:9-10 (NKJV)
9 If WE confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Well NO Kidding!!!
Scripture 101...
Believe, Repent, Submit, Become Converted!

Nothing new, as I have Expressed on Numerous Occasions IN Detail ON THIS FORUM.

Are you saying John wasn't a Christian?

1 John 1:9-10 (NKJV)
9 If WE confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

No kidding!!
LOL-
Anyone confessing Belief and Repentance ... is Not someone claiming to HAVE NO SIN...
Kind of Odd you don't know that!

So you do sin?

Not news, already covered.
Some will depart from Faith ...

But Departing from Faith IS NOT the Topic.

It certainly is!

RECEIVING Salvation and then Losing Salvation IS the Topic.

No one is disputing the Clearness of departing from the Faith.

Apparently you do NOT KNOW the Difference Between "FAITH" and "Salvation"

Or you maybe?

Playing the victim? That is an oddball accusation... A victim has been caused a harm...there is nothing you can do to harm me.

I never said nor implied doing any harm to you. Again, you're playing the victim.

Uh pay attention...THOSE ^^^ Are you words, saying you are not ...NOT mine!



LOL...what IS Typical...is what you have proven...Applies to you.
1) you present NOT ONE Scripture to support your Claim, that a Converted man CAN lose his salvation.
2) you deflect from Salvation to Faith.
3) you make a false claim for me, by speaking For me, what I did not Say.

And the Funniest of ALL OSAS Deniers...
Is they claim to have ONLY been Saved ONCE!!!! That is Funny!

As many times as OSAS has been a topic of discussion....your old worn out tactics, deflections, false accusation...prove nothing but your mode of how you operate.

Not a flattering reflection on you.

Which is it?

Matt 24:13 ...[/B] shall be Saved [/B] ?

Seems to be some confusion on your part.

As you have stated, I can't be lost. I'm at least as well off as you. I'm sure Satan loves the OSAS doctrine!

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

I went to a church where this certainly didn't happen. We had two associate pastors that fell, and only one repented, but he was brought up before the whole congregation, and then went into counseling at the church, but could no longer lead worship.

The other one refused to repent, and left the church. But he stayed in touch with a few people and one of them told him to call me for counseling and gave him my number. We counseled for a few months until he finally had a break-through, all of which I saw in a vision about an hour before, so I knew what to do! Wow, it was like watching a rerun of my favorite movie.

That is the Power of God! How humbling, isn't it? When these things happen, they help to generate a Holy and Reverent Fear of the Lord. And not an "I'm so afraid!" kind of Fear, but a Fear that reminds you, "Do not mess around with this All-Powerful God," and we thus respect him immeasurably.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You people who claim that Christians cannot stop sinning and still go to heaven give occasion to the world to speak evil of the way of truth (2 Peter 2:2). I’m not surprised at the rate that the world is increasing in ungodliness when those who are supposed to be the light of the world are in fact in darkness with the lost; claiming to be in the light (1 John 1:6).

You “saved sinners” ought to be ashamed of yourselves! But your doctrine does not produce shame and humility, only a boasting mouth and contempt against those who actually magnify holiness as prescribed in the holy scriptures.

Stop and think for a moment; if we will never stop sinning, then discipline is moot. Chastening someone for something they will never stop doing is a waste of time.

Common sense should awake you to the fact that men are capable of ceasing from evil doing. But when you believe that you will escape hell no matter what you do, where’s the motivation to stop sinning? Where’s the incentive to forsake all for Christ? Why bother carrying a cross for the Lord? Why suffer in the flesh (1 Peter 4:1)?

With all your learning you have made the word of God of non effect that you may keep your OSAS (Mark 7:13).

When a scripture mentions “belief”, “faith”, and being “cut off”, you should pay attention; the implication when these words are used is in regard to salvation, nothing else. You can lie to yourself all you want with nonsense like “I’m not an Israelite, it doesn’t apply to me”... blah blah blah.

Explain to me what the object of belief is in Romans 11:20-23.

What else does the Bible speak of in believing and having faith in other than the gospel?

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

You people who claim that Christians cannot stop sinning and still go to heaven give occasion to the world to speak evil of the way of truth (2 Peter 2:2). I’m not surprised at the rate that the world is increasing in ungodliness when those who are supposed to be the light of the world are in fact in darkness with the lost; claiming to be in the light (1 John 1:6).

You “saved sinners” ought to be ashamed of yourselves! But your doctrine does not produce shame and humility, only a boasting mouth and contempt against those who actually magnify holiness as prescribed in the holy scriptures.

Stop and think for a moment; if we will never stop sinning, then discipline is moot. Chastening someone for something they will never stop doing is a waste of time.

Common sense should awake you to the fact that men are capable of ceasing from evil doing. But when you believe that you will escape hell no matter what you do, where’s the motivation to stop sinning? Where’s the incentive to forsake all for Christ? Why bother carrying a cross for the Lord? Why suffer in the flesh (1 Peter 4:1)?

With all your learning you have made the word of God of non effect that you may keep your OSAS (Mark 7:13).

When a scripture mentions “belief”, “faith”, and being “cut off”, you should pay attention; the implication when these words are used is in regard to salvation, nothing else. You can lie to yourself all you want with nonsense like “I’m not an Israelite, it doesn’t apply to me”... blah blah blah.

Explain to me what the object of belief is in Romans 11:20-23.

What else does the Bible speak of in believing and having faith in other than the gospel?

Your aggressive attitude is neither welcome nor appreciated. You will be blocked.

That said, I Truly mean what I am about to say . . . I hope that God gives you all of the greatest Blessings possible.

 

[Taken]

John included himself. He wasn't sinless.

LOL- Sin-LESS?
Obviously you are unaware, sin-LESS is one who Never had Sin.
Perhaps you are unknowing Every natural man is Born in sin.

1 John 1:9-10 (NKJV)

9 If WE confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Uh huh...I did that...you should do that.

Are you saying John wasn't a Christian?

LOL- if that was what I said...you could quote me.

1 John 1:9-10 (NKJV)
9 If WE confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Yipes...how many time do you have to quote that to Get it? Man why don't you get to getting...Confess your sins...Become Forgiven and cleansed from all unrighteousness?

So you do sin?

Need a Q-tip? Again NO

As you have stated...

Nope... your quote...

 

[kcnalp]

LOL- Sin-LESS?
Obviously you are unaware, sin-LESS is one who Never had Sin.
Perhaps you are unknowing Every natural man is Born in sin.

John admitted he had sins. Can you? Are you saying John wasn't saved?
1 John 1:9-10 (NKJV)
9 If WE confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

9 If WE confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Uh huh...I did that...you should do that.

Are you implying that I'm not saved? Your self righteousness is gaping.

LOL- if that was what I said...you could quote me.

Yipes...how many time do you have to quote that to Get it? Man why don't you get to getting...Confess your sins...Become Forgiven and cleansed from all unrighteousness?

You can't keep from judging others because that's part of OSAS. You think you're saved but those who oppose OSAS are not.

Need a Q-tip? Again NO

You don't sin? How about judging others. That's a sin. You just judged me as unsaved. But that's ok, right? You can do anything you want to and it's not sin according to OSAS.

Nope... your quote...

Wow! Total hypocrisy! OSAS preachers are some of the most judgmental "Christians" I have talked to!

 

[aspen]

I tend to believe OSAS is just another attempt to control salvation. Frankly, it seems as if it is based in insecurity. Is it true? Yes; and is it worthless? as a 'get into Heaven no matter what, pass? Yes. It is both and it is neither - God will love unconditionally and God will not be controlled.

As soon as you rely on this idea as a technically, you miss Heaven completely.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

What amazes me about "christians" of today, is that the below verses do not compel them in any way. I wish we would honor the Word of God as God honored us with the death of His Son, Jesus. Jesus died for people like Saul, the one who was killing True Christians, yet we cannot be kind to each other . . . other "christians."

1 Corinthians 3:2-3 NLT - "I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food, because you weren't ready for anything stronger. And you still aren't ready, 3 for you are still controlled by your sinful nature. You are jealous of one another and quarrel with each other. Doesn't that prove you are controlled by your sinful nature? Aren't you living like people of the world?"

This is why I'd rather just give my usual, "Okie doke," and walk away. I care about those that fight and argue with me, so I hope that being kind and wishing the greatest of Blessings upon them will earn their friendship in the future. For this . . . I hope.

 

[Taken]

Wow!

No need to pretend you are responding to me, since you do the talking for both of us....
and your accusations, against what you say, is simply weird.

It is Obvious you have Zero Scriptural Evidence against OSAS...nothing new

 

[kcnalp]

No need to pretend you are responding to me, since you do the talking for both of us....
and your accusations, against what you say, is simply weird.

It is Obvious you have Zero Scriptural Evidence against OSAS...nothing new

OSAS is a license to sin and point the finger at others. Have fun judging others. It will come back to haunt you.

 

[aspen]

What amazes me about "christians" of today, is that the below verses do not compel them in any way. I wish we would honor the Word of God as God honored us with the death of His Son, Jesus. Jesus died for people like Saul, the one who was killing True Christians, yet we cannot be kind to each other . . . other "christians."

1 Corinthians 3:2-3 NLT - "I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food, because you weren't ready for anything stronger. And you still aren't ready, 3 for you are still controlled by your sinful nature. You are jealous of one another and quarrel with each other. Doesn't that prove you are controlled by your sinful nature? Aren't you living like people of the world?"

This is why I'd rather just give my usual, "Okie doke," and walk away. I care about those that fight and argue with me, so I hope that being kind and wishing the greatest of Blessings upon them will earn their friendship in the future. For this . . . I hope.

yes. Examination of personal motives for posting is important. It is easy to cross the line between working out your understanding of theological ideas and trying to persuade others with a 2x4.

 

[Taken]

[QUOTE="kcnalp, post: 893600, member: 8624]...fun judging others...[/QUOTE]

Not interested in your pastimes

 

[CharismaticLady]

That is the Power of God! How humbling, isn't it? When these things happen, they help to generate a Holy and Reverent Fear of the Lord. And not an "I'm so afraid!" kind of Fear, but a Fear that reminds you, "Do not mess around with this All-Powerful God," and we thus respect him immeasurably.

Exactly! The first time I ever heard His voice, I was astonished! Up until that moment I always wondered if He really existed. Now I KNEW! And what's more, the God who made the whole Universe knew my name! It really makes you aware that His eye is on you every moment of the day. But it wasn't fearful, but comforting. I was never again all by myself. James 1:5 came alive also. If I need a question answered, I know He is right here listening, and I KNOW He'll answer, AND HE DOES!

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Frankly, it seems as if it is based in insecurity. Is it true? Yes

This is quite a false judgement that has been made. Please . . . please stop.

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

It is easy to cross the line between working out your understanding of theological ideas and trying to persuade others with a 2x4.

What you wrote shouldn't have made me chuckle, but it did. And you're right . . . it feels like things could come to a fist fight if they were face to face.

Come on now . . . try rubbing medicine upon each other instead of poison. It feels so much better! :)

 

[2nd Timothy Group]

Exactly! The first time I ever heard His voice, I was astonished! Up until that moment I always wondered if He really existed. Now I KNEW! And what's more, the God who made the whole Universe knew my name! It really makes you aware that His eye is on you every moment of the day. But it wasn't fearful, but comforting. I was never again all by myself. James 1:5 came alive also. If I need a question answered, I know He is right here listening, and I KNOW He'll answer, AND HE DOES!

Unbelieavable. I've met someone that understands. When we experience God in these kinds of remarkable ways, it is the experience that confirms within us that He knows who we are. And when we know, for sure, that God knows who we are, and having been given His approval, how could we ever turn away from Him? More than this, when we have these kinds of Holy Experiences, it confirms within us that He will never leave . . . we cannot ever be alone again. We also know that He will never forsake us. These experiences are confirmed by a changed life . . . and it is He that grants us the ability to Repent, and so we do. I could just write and write, and I know that you will understand. :)