ChristisGod
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oneness is a heresy and the Father is not the Son. so is kenosis.
You are not a trinitarian no matter what you claim.
You are not a trinitarian no matter what you claim.
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What i do is resist error, directly.
And those who are in it, dont like that.
This is unlikely to change.
Also, if correcting error is patronizing, then God help that point of view to be renewed.
And to your point....... listen.... a person can't stop being born again... So, that is the context of misunderstanding, "leaving faith".
You can have dead faith, you can be a backslider, and you can become some religion, after you are born again, and this wont affect being born again.
You can never stop being born again.
You seem to have the idea, as do many others, that you can stop being born again, if one day you have a mood swing and decide you've had enough of "Jesus, God, and that stupid church"
So, deciding that you hate God, has no effect on being born again.
DEMAS, walked away from his Faith and when you get to heaven, you might ask him about that decision.
Deciding that you hate your mother, has no effect on being born of your mother.
Do you see, Reader?
So, you can decide one day "im no longer a part of my mother", but, you can't win that one......even if the courts grant you a piece of paper...
See, being BORN, cant be changed.
Being BORN AGAIN, is to be BORN, and you can't change this, as you didnt cause it regarding your mother or God.
They BIRTHED you, and you can't undo this by "walking away from faith", or for any other reason.
Being born again, is not something you can change if one day you decide to be a Buddhist or an Atheist.
So, walking away from faith, has no effect on being born again.
Can you walk away from faith.....sure. You can do a lot of things, but in the case of being born again, that done....It cant be amended or revised by an attitude change, or for any other reason.
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What about if you choose to reject Jesus? Would that be like blaspheming the Holy Spirit?
ChristisGod
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Eva was 45, and was finally able to get pregnant.
She had been trying since she was 18.
She had become born again, when she was 24, and had been trusting the Lord, all those years.
When her only son Joseph was 4, he was molested and murdered by the Preacher who had moved in next door.
He had become the spiritual advisor to the family, and had attended Joseph's 3rd and 4th Birthday.
It was shortly after Joseph's 4th Birthday, that he had been snatched from the front yard, by this Preacher, and abused and murdered.
Eva was beyond devastated.
He son was gone, all the years of trying to have a child, and now.....could never have another.
In court the Preacher admitted that he had befriended Eva so that at some point he could harm the child.
He said that he could not control his compulsion, and did what he did.
He got a life sentence.
So, Did Eva.
Her life sentence was to hate God, and blame God, and deny God, and reject God, as much as her heart could possibly do it.
And she did this until she died.
She's in Heaven now and had a wonderful reunion with Joseph.
The Preacher, is in Hell.........
Why?
Because He was not born again.
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We are not saved because we are careful not to do "the dont do that list"..
You know that list right?
"Blasphemy, walking away from faith....etc".
We are not saved or lost, or born again, or kept saved, because we make certain we keep a list.
Its only the Blood of Jesus that saves and keeps you saved.
And blasphemy of the Spirit, is one more sin.......but, its the unpardonable sin, because it the sin of Christ Rejection.
Now if you commit Blasphemy AGAINST the Holy Spirit, then there is no forgiveness for you, in this world or the one to come....Says Jesus, to the only people who can do that.
And those people were saying it to Jesus, to his Face, in person....and that is how you commit that sin.
You would have to go back in time, and tell Jesus to His face, that he is performing Miracles, by the power of the Devil....to commit that one.
ChristisGod
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It could be said that there is a lot less faith in God than this world needs.
WE are in black days, on this earth.
God is going to cut it short, but black days are here.
This election FIASCO that has happened in America, where the God hating and Christ denying Dem-Socialists and their conspiratorial Media, including social media, have hidden truth, bent truth, and remodeled it, so that Kamala, can become President after Biden finds his resting place, is an amazing thing to have witnessed, that is still happening.
The Devil is the "prince of the Power of the Air"....>and this can be interpreted as the AIRWAVES...
And in the USA, the Airwaves, have become so Satanically Corrupted, that Truth can't be found in the Popular Media Outlets.
They have "Fox" news, that use to be a channel that tried to push back against the LEFT, but now even Fox News, is undone.
There is "NewsMax" which is the only Legit Cable News that is putting out the reality.
IVe taught for many years that "as America goes, so goes the rest of the world".
When She is done the world is done.
And she's done.
Now Start looking at the middle east and keep your eyes on Israel, as Christ rejecting lives on this planet, are about to BE changed a lot more then just wearing a mask.
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Exactly.
Jesus gained heaven for us, and if we dont have Him, we dont go there.
HE is IN US.....He is Eternal Life.....He is THE Resurrection.......so, that takes care of the Rapture and those who are dead.
If we are not a part of that, then you end up where Satan's Children end up.
And again, as that is a good question.
In Hebrews....you find Christ Rejecting Jews, "willfully sinning" the unpardonable sin.
This is Hebrews Chapter 10.
Paul, is sharing the Gospel with them, "with signs following".... and They STILL won't receive Christ as Messiah.
Paul gets angry, and tells them...."you are trodding underfoot, the Holy Blood", "you are crucifying Christ, afresh"....and that is just like their Father's did who were shouting "crucify him"..
So, THAT is how you blaspheme the Holy Spirit. That is Blasphemy "OF".....vs, "against"....
Blasphemy of is Christ Rejection, and that is the unpardonable sin.
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You think that our salvation is based on = if we keep believing..
But the reality is, our salvation is continued by God, who is faithful to complete it for us.
So, that can't be stopped.
Philippians 1:6
And when you say.....>"it would cost that person his salvation".....then that is true, but, in a different light...
See, if you reject Christ, that just cost you your salvation.
You reject Christ if you die having not been born again.
So, that is to commit blasphemy of the holy Spirit..........This person has willfully rejected Salvation, and that cost them, their salvation.
They lost the opportunity TO HAVE IT....
They are this..... John 3:36
Now here is the update..... If a person is not saved.....not born again, they are currently committing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
They are already DAMNED, and are waiting to hit Revelation 20:11.
They only way to change that is :.. "you MUST BE Born Again".
I don't disagree with the second part of the statement.
You are not a trinitarian no matter what you claim (you have three fingers pointing back at you). For you are a Tritheist.
We cannot be unborn spiritually; but we can die spiritually. There is a warning about that in James 1:14-16.
At least now you are admitting that such heinous things as what the preacher did will place a man in hell, signifying that they never had the second birth.
I really expected you to say that the preacher was in heaven because he believed in Jesus and his heinous crime could not make him lose his salvation. Such a thing as that might cause anyone to hate God.
As for the woman, the Holy Spirit would send someone to her to minister to her so that she would be resolved in her feelings and put her faith in Jesus again, if she was truly born again; she would return to Him as a prodigal daughter within the course of her lifetime.
An unbeliever will have a "second death", not a believer.
To die again, as a believer, you would have to have sin imputed to your "incorruptible part".
That isn't possible, as all sin has been judged on the Cross of Christ, who has redeemed the born again from their sin.
There is no sin found "in Christ" where all the Redeemed EXIT for ETERNITY..
Listen, the born again, are in the Kingdom of God, and there is no sin there.....it can't exist there, and we are there.
"but what about all my sinning behold".......Well what about it, justbyfaith?
Its not on you, and its not in you, as your old man is on the Cross and your new man is in God's Spirit.
And its remarkable that you can't understand that being "ONE" with God, means you are a part of God's Spirit.
Can His Spirit die?
Not quite.
ChristisGod
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no our salvation is based solely upon the One who is our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.
Dying spiritually would actually be a "first death" as it would have to take place before physical death...for the believer who dies spiritually, physical death would technically be a "second death" and the "second death" spoken of in the book of Revelation would for him be a third. Because the person who dies spiritually becomes an unbeliever when they reject Christ.
And of course I am speaking hypothetically and am playing the opposite side of the coin to draw out a response. Because in all reality, I do believe that if a man is truly born again, he cannot lose his salvation.
However, it should be clear that in Luke 8:13, the one who has a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith (mental assent to the tenets of the gospel) has faith...that even saves him from sin (Matthew 1:21, Titus 2:14) for a season...but it does not save him for all of eternity because what happens to him? When trying or testing comes he falls away.
Since we are saved by grace through faith, it only makes sense to believe that if someone departs from faith, he no longer has salvation.
Therefore this idea that you have that those who fall away from the faith continue to be saved is heretical and dangerous.
If someone therefore is truly born again, he will cleave (cling) to the Lord (Acts of the Apostles 11:23) and will never fall away.
But for those who do not have a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14), they can fall away and in doing so they would not have salvation any more if they did indeed have it in the first place.
ChristisGod
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jbf go talk to your pastor I guarantee/promise you if he is a trinitarian he will agree with me.
I fail to see where we have been discussing the Trinity within the context of this thread.
I have answered your similar statement in the other thread.
Contradiction Or Paradox?
ChristisGod
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evasion once again, what are you afraid of jfb ?
do you even go to church ?
do you have a pastor ?
is he a trinitarian ?
There is no need to answer you twice in two different threads. I have answered your questions in the other thread. Sorry that I took "so long" (the course of less than a minute) to provide the link. Sheesh.
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