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I have never defended the sins of the few; I have never claimed the sex abuse crisis didn't happen. But you constantly pretend that nothing has been done about it, that your lily white NT churches have no pedophiles. That you wallow in filth cannot be denied.

Your obsession with sex abuse in the Catholic Church is just as perverse as sex abuse itself. You are a troll. Good bye.
 
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I have never defended the sins of the few; I have never claimed the sex abuse crisis didn't happen. But you constantly pretend that nothing has been done about it, that your lily white NT churches have no pedophiles. That you wallow in filth cannot be denied.

Your obsession with sex abuse in the Catholic Church is just as perverse as sex abuse itself. You are a troll. Good bye.
Thankyou for you very kind and gentle abuse. It is very much appreciated as it shows me that it is not my role to be as abusive as you.
 

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I have been endeavouring to move this along as led by the Holy Spirit. As you have already seen from what I have posted how much the Holy Spirit was central to everything that happened in the life of the NTC. I could go on recording each verse individually that talks about the work of the Holy Spiirt but this morning as I was meditating on things, I felt I should post all the remaining verses without comment and see where it leads to so here goes.....

Acts 5:32, Acts 6:3, Acts 6:5, Acts 7:51, Acts 7:55, Acts 8:15, Acts 8:17, Actds 8:18, Acts 8:19, Acts 9:17, Acts 9:31, Acts 10:38, Acts 10: 44, Actds 10:45, Acts 10:47, Acts 11:15, Acts 11:16, Acts 11:24, Acts 13:2, Acts 13:4, Acts 13:9, Acts 13:52, Acts 15:8, Acts 15:28, Acts 16:6, Acts 19:22, Acts 19:6, Acts 20:23, Acts 20:28, Acts 21:11, Acts 28:25.

Interested in what you have to say about these verses and what you draw out of them.
 

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God promises to protect His Church from error until the end of the world. That's straight up Scripture Alone. You either believe that or you don't. He didn't promise that all members would go to heaven.
Thats His church not mens churches... And where does it say that.
 

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You are trying to Protestantize "The Way" by ignoring the OT, and the facts of history. I am not promoting Catholicism, I am promoting the Truth, which evidently, you are afraid of. "The Way", as prophesied in Isaiah 35:8, clearly points to infallibility, "where fools will not err". You are forced to deny what you cannot comprehend, even when it is explained with multiple Scriptures listed in post #506. You have a big problem.
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You are trying to Protestantize "The Way" by ignoring the OT, and the facts of history. I am not promoting Catholicism, I am promoting the Truth, which evidently, you are afraid of. "The Way", as prophesied in Isaiah 35:8, clearly points to infallibility, "where fools will not err". You are forced to deny what you cannot comprehend, even when it is explained with multiple Scriptures listed in post #506. You have a big problem.
Isaiah 35:8, Isaiah 54:13-17 – this prophecy refers to the Church as the Holy Way where sons will be taught by God and they will not err. The Church has been given the gift of infallibility when teaching about faith and morals, where her sons are taught directly by God and will not err. This gift of infallibility means that the Church is prevented from teaching error by the power of the Holy Spirit (it does not mean that Church leaders do not sin!)

Acts 9:2; 22:4; 24:14,22 – the early Church is identified as the “Way” prophesied in Isaiah 35:8 where fools will not err therein.

Matt. 10:20; Luke 12:12 – Jesus tells His apostles it is not they who speak, but the Spirit of their Father speaking through them. If the Spirit is the one speaking and leading the Church, the Church cannot err on matters of faith and morals.

Matt. 16:18 – Jesus promises the gates of Hades would never prevail against the Church. This requires that the Church teach infallibly. If the Church did not have the gift of infallibility, the gates of Hades and error would prevail. Also, since the Catholic Church was the only Church that existed up until the Reformation, those who follow the Protestant reformers call Christ a liar by saying that Hades did prevail.

Matt. 16:19 – for Jesus to give Peter and the apostles, mere human beings, the authority to bind in heaven what they bound on earth requires infallibility. This is a gift of the Holy Spirit and has nothing to do with the holiness of the person receiving the gift.

Matt. 18:17-18 – the Church (not Scripture) is the final authority on questions of the faith. This demands infallibility when teaching the faith. She must be prevented from teaching error in order to lead her members to the fullness of salvation.

Matt. 28:20 – Jesus promises that He will be with the Church always. Jesus’ presence in the Church assures infallible teaching on faith and morals. With Jesus present, we can never be deceived.

Mark 8:33 – non-Catholics sometimes use this verse to down play Peter’s authority. This does not make sense. In this verse, Jesus rebukes Peter to show the import of His Messianic role as the Savior of humanity. Moreover, at this point, Peter was not yet the Pope with the keys, and Jesus did not rebuke Peter for his teaching. Jesus rebuked Peter for his lack of understanding.

Luke 10:16 – whoever hears you, hears me. Whoever rejects you, rejects me. Jesus is very clear that the bishops of the Church speak with Christ’s infallible authority.

Luke 22:32 – Jesus prays for Peter, that his faith may not fail. Jesus’ prayer for Peter’s faith is perfectly efficacious, and this allows Peter to teach the faith without error (which means infallibly).

John 11:51-52 – some non-Catholics argue that sinners cannot have the power to teach infallibly. But in this verse, God allows Caiaphas to prophesy infallibly, even though he was evil and plotted Jesus’ death. God allows sinners to teach infallibly, just as He allows sinners to become saints. As a loving Father, He exalts His children, and is bound by His own justice to give His children a mechanism to know truth from error.

the sola scripturist cannot comprehend "infallible", so they are forced to change its meaning.
 

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No, David was talking to God. Now you assert the pre-existence of souls. One heresy after another. You don't know when to quit.
30. The lack of a definitive teaching authority in Protestant (as with the Catholic magisterium) makes many individual Protestants (Stan B) think that they have a direct line to God, notwithstanding all of Christian Tradition and the history of biblical exegesis (a "Bible, Holy Spirit and me" mentality). Such people are generally under-educated theologically, unteachable, lack humility, and have no business making presumed "infallible" statements about the nature of Christianity.

Read more: https://www.catholicfidelity.com/apologetics-topics/misc/a150-reasons-why-i-am-catholic-by-dave-armstrong/

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You would? This is what it involves.

NUMBER ONE. Acts 2. men and brethren what shall we do. Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sin and you shall receive the holy spirit.

In other words, there is an entrance fee. It starts with repentance to deal with sin in your life. If you are an unbeliever, you will have sin so starting with repentance is essential as it means that is dealt with. Once you have repented, you can then have it washed away through baptism. That is total immersion in water.

Those two things open the door to the Holy Spirit of God to come into your life and take over. He will give you the power to live a sanctified and separated life.

NUMBER TWO. You have repented, been baptized and received the Holy Spirit, what comes next. You have become part of God's ecclesia, God's family, so you start meeting together and living like a family. You don't leave your existing family. What you do is meet from house to house each day with others who are part of God's ecclesia and take part in four things.

The first is teaching. We want you to know just how you live as a new believer so we will teach you how that is done. Those that have been with Jesus will teach you.

The second is fellowship. That is an important part of your growth as you can bounce things off each other and let everyone know how you are going on a day to day basis. You will learn a lot by doing this. And it helps to get to know each other in a more intimate way.

The third is eating together. Have a meal when you meet together. Everyone brings something to contribute to a meal. Having a meal is good because it opens the door to conversation.

The fourth thing is to pray together. Help one another by bearing one another's burdens in prayer. You will all have different things to deal with on a day to day basis so prayer is one way you can help each other overcome the issues you are confronted with.
Love the NT Church. They were Catholic.

Who brings the wine and bread to do this in remembrance of Him?

Who brings the oil to anoint the sick? (James 5:14)

Who votes on who would be the elders of the church so that they can decide who is a pagan or tax collector? (Matthew 18:17)

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Love the NT Church. They were Catholic.

Who brings the wine and bread to do this in remembrance of Him?

Who brings the oil to anoint the sick? (James 5:14)

Who votes on who would be the elders of the church so that they can decide who is a pagan or tax collector? (Matthew 18:17)

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Since Church is a faux word, what does that make the Catholic...Church?
 

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No they where christians... But once people learn the twist, dancing becomes reasonably easy.
Good morning troll,

Yup, they were Christians all right. And earliest recording of The Church being called The Catholic Church was around 100AD. Do you even know what the word catholic means?

Why do you feel the need to be so unpleasant/nasty in your communications? Is it for the shock value? In your real life are you in general an unpleasant/nasty person?
 

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I presume you are trying to make a quip...but your words make no sense to me!!!
It's a non sequitur fallacy. "faux" is a French word meaning fake. If the historic Church is fake, then theological parasites are more so. "Catholic" is not a noun, it is an adjective describing one of four divine characteristics. The only existing church in the 1st century was called "Catholic". That is a historical fact denied by uneducated anti-Catholics. Fact, not opinion, not doctrinal...fact. It makes some anti-Catholics go bonkers. Ignoring, dismissing or distorting the general consensus of the Early Church Fathers is censorship, but it doesn't always work.
 
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Good morning troll,

Yup, they were Christians all right. And earliest recording of The Church being called The Catholic Church was around 100AD. Do you even know what the word catholic means?

Why do you feel the need to be so unpleasant/nasty in your communications? Is it for the shock value? In your real life are you in general an unpleasant/nasty person?
Hs noting to do wit anything. Still despising the truth. Call me a troll all you like just show your frame of mind.
 

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Hs noting to do wit anything. Still despising the truth. Call me a troll all you like just show your frame of mind.
Wow....such an articulate defense of your beliefs.....Thanks trollman.
 

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Wow....such an articulate defense of your beliefs.....Thanks trollman.
Well at least you see the truth if if you deny it / Him. And name calling such shows how deluded you are, No burning people at teh stake was banned.