Peaceful Protests in Washington...

[Addy]

I have spent some time listening to what went wrong with security at Capital Hill.

The problem seems to be the lack of belief on the parts of DC police and Capital Hill police that HELP would be NEEDED.
therefore... both police departments apparently REJECTED help offered by National Guard. The troops were not sent in due to
misguided INSIGHT as to the SEVERITY of threat level.... which was judged as MODERATE when it should have been SEVERE....and as a result.... CHAOS.

That is the ISSUE here... and because of this FAILURE... arrests that could have been made on Wednesday... ( due to proper man power ) will now take months and years... or maybe never.

This is what people need to be focusing on.... VERY POOR management from the DC and Capital Hill Police!

This was a SERIOUS and COSTLY ERROR. Administration of both these police departments need to face serious consequences.

 

[amadeus]

You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine... AT this TIME ( two days later )... the fact that many are CHOOSING to BLAME certain groups without actual FACTUAL INFORMATION is yet another game people seem to like to play. It takes time to assess information.. but thanks to many... rumours spread quickly by VOLUNTEERS who simply like to fan the flames of division... and add to strife...

NO ONE is able to ACCURATELY IDENTIFY who was in Capital Hill UNTIL they are found and interviewed... THEN and ONLY THEN... can a proper identification be made as to WHO was WHO.

The fact remains that the Capital was poorly GUARDED by police.... and ALL those who entered the Capital by force on January 6th are criminals. Any information beyond that is PREMATURE.

One thing I have learned since coming to the forums is that many consider their thoughts and beliefs superior to others.... LOL

No matter what you say, it is very likely that someone will effectively or actually call you a liar. The scripture says that every man is a liar, but a whole lot of people act as if they were not included in that. As I see it, only someone who has completely overcome the world as Jesus did no longer lies at all [there are many unintentional and (perhaps unknown to the person), lies]. A person who admits that he does not really know the answer, or that the answer he believes is right may be wrong, is, it seems to me, walking in the right direction.

Some people are overcoming, but unless a person is already an overcomer as Jesus was when he said, ..."I have overcome the world" [John 16:33] that person is still in the world and still struggling [or not] against the temptations which lead to sin. When Jesus had overcome it all he then said, "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world..." [John 17:11]

Has anyone around us attained to the place to which Jesus attained in having overcome all temptations. If we have not done it ourselves, how could we really know where another person is? God knows, but with whom does He share His knowledge?

 

[Bobby Jo]

...
The right wing news about "putting the blame on Antifa" storming the Capitol was fake ...
Bogus Antifa Claims Follow Capitol Riot - FactCheck.org
...

Perhaps you missed my Post that the Social Media "FACT CHECKERS" are Propagandists. They LIE to achieve their agenda. But it IS a FACT that the guy standing next to the "moron" has been positively identified by a FACIAL RECOGNITION COMPANY as ANTIFA, and I presume that the "moron" is with him.


And it's unfortunate that many prefer to have their ears tickled than hear the TRUTH.
Bobby Jo

 

[CadyandZoe]

You are asking two different questions.... ONE is if I would believe that you know who attacked the Capital Building...
My answer is NO... I do not believe you have inside information at this time... and this is NOT personal... I don't believe what most say about things.

Do I believe that some Capital Police were helping the attackers??? YES... that is believable but at this time... still UNPROVEN...

I believe the world is FILLED to over flowing with EVIL.... I don't have a problem believing the TRUTH of that.... I believe that there is CORRUPTION in all forms of Government... both left and right... as well as in ALL positions of power all around the world.... The level of EVIL would make people tremble in fear. I am NOT denying TRUTH... I am simply stating that at this time... ALL we know for sure as a general population is

Capital Hill was OVERTAKEN with protesters who broke into the building and caused much destruction... THAT is a fact.

We know that the police were OVERTAKEN by these protesters and lost control.... THAT is a fact.

We know that those deliberating in chambers had to be evacuated to a different part of the building.... THAT is a fact.

We know that arrests have been made... but we do not know exactly what charges have been laid.

We know that one woman was killed on site... that 3 others died as a result of other medical emergencies... and that one police officer has died due to injuries he suffered during the riot.

WE have NO information YET as to WHO anyone WAS representing... we don't even have proper information on who was in the building.

That is my point... Anyone claiming to know things that are not yet known are contributing to hearsay.

If we have learned anything from the past four years, it is this. Hell will freeze over before anything having to do with the government will be proven. All I know is what I saw with my own eyes. Okay?

 

[Addy]

If we have learned anything from the past four years, it is this. Hell will freeze over before anything having to do with the government will be proven. All I know is what I saw with my own eyes. Okay?

I am not responsible for what others think... say ... do... or believe... I am only responsible for my own thoughts and words... I have no problem understanding and accepting that we are all different... My problem is when people think their thoughts... opinions and beliefs are SUPERIOR to others. WE cannot be expected to take everyone's word on everything. Far too many Christians seem to think that their thoughts are RIGHT... and everyone else is WRONG. I have learned a lot these last weeks here on the forums. Bless you.

 

[mailmandan]

Analysis: Media Have Hypocritical Double Standard on Trump vs BLM Protests

 

[Addy]

I read the above article @mailmandan and have copied the last two paragraphs...

Newsmax has reported that we have no evidence that BLM or antifa actively worked to agitate at the pro-Trump rally in Washington.

But we have loads of evidence the media have a big double-standard when reporting on protests and riots that turn ugly, violent, and sometimes deadly.

Violence is violence... no matter where it happens.... but I think it is IMPORTANT to note... that there is no evidence to support that BLM or antifa actively worked to agitate the crowd.... as this is the RUMOUR that many are spreading.... This was CLEARLY a pro-trump demonstration.

The problem is not the reporting... but rather the handling of these situations and/or the mishandling of them. The DC police and the Capital Hill police were OFFERED help from the National Guard and they both REFUSED that help... for whatever reason... their statement is that they miscalculated the level of THREAT.

This falls on whoever was responsible for protecting Capital Hill.

Police need to come up with a way to control large crowds of people effectively and efficiently... as I think protests are going to be a part of American society on a more frequent basis from now on.

 

[mailmandan]

I read the above article @mailmandan and have copied the last two paragraphs...

Newsmax has reported that we have no evidence that BLM or antifa actively worked to agitate at the pro-Trump rally in Washington.

But we have loads of evidence the media have a big double-standard when reporting on protests and riots that turn ugly, violent, and sometimes deadly.

Violence is violence... no matter where it happens.... but I think it is IMPORTANT to note... that there is no evidence to support that BLM or antifa actively worked to agitate the crowd.... as this is the RUMOUR that many are spreading.... This was CLEARLY a pro-trump demonstration.

The problem is not the reporting... but rather the handling of these situations and/or the mishandling of them. The DC police and the Capital Hill police were OFFERED help from the National Guard and they both REFUSED that help... for whatever reason... their statement is that they miscalculated the level of THREAT.

This falls on whoever was responsible for protecting Capital Hill.

Police need to come up with a way to control large crowds of people effectively and efficiently... as I think protests are going to be a part of American society on a more frequent basis from now on.

I was not making a claim that BLM and Antifa actively worked to agitate at the pro-Trump rally. Only that we have a big double standard when reporting on protests and riots. As the article stated, “Wednesday was proof that how corporate media and Democrat politicians report and comment on acts of civil unrest depends upon who is engaged in the rioting.”

 

[Addy]

I was not making a claim that BLM and Antifa actively worked to agitate at the pro-Trump rally. Only that we have a big double standard when reporting on protests and riots. As the article stated, “Wednesday was proof that how corporate media and Democrat politicians report and comment on acts of civil unrest depends upon who is engaged in the rioting.”

I know you did not claim anything.... I am not disagreeing with you on biased reporting.... however... the rumors that are actively going around are that those who broke into Capital Hill on Wednesday were ANTIFA and BLM agitators.... and that is NOT true.... they were Trump supporters. I just thought it was important to point that out....

I was not trying to make your point mute. I am not aware of how America does it's news reporting.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Proverbs 16:4

The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I know you did not claim anything.... I am not disagreeing with you on biased reporting.... however... the rumors that are actively going around are that those who broke into Capital Hill on Wednesday were ANTIFA and BLM agitators.... and that is NOT true.... they were Trump supporters. I just thought it was important to point that out....

I was not trying to make your point mute. I am not aware of how America does it's news reporting.

How do you know they were Trump Supporters? And How do you know it isn't true they were not antifa? Do you have inside knowledge you would like to share?

 

[Addy]

The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Is that like a commercial break?? LOL

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Is that like a commercial break?? LOL

I feel moved to insert relevant scriptures into discussions at times.

 

[Addy]

How do you know they were Trump Supporters? And How do you know it isn't true they were not antifa? Do you have inside knowledge you would like to share?

NO... I do not know for sure... LOL.... I took the quote from the Newsmax article that Mailman Dan supplied.
Common sense would lean towards the reasoning that these rioters were Trump supporters...as they purposely
targeted Nancy Pelosi's office.
According to other articles that I have read... there were also supporters from QAnon which are
also Trump supporters. The woman who was killed was apparently affiliated with this group.

There is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that Antifa or BLM supporters were present to AGITATE the crowds... this leaves only Trump Supporters.
If you desire to dispute or deny this... then by all means... it does not matter to me. I stand with my opinion that those who broke into Capital Hill were Trump Supporters.

The issue here is NOT who they were... but what they did... they broke into a federal building... destroyed property and gloated about it for the entire world to see. I don't care who did it.... but I do care that it is NOT blamed on someone who DIDN'T do it.

 

[Addy]

I feel moved to insert relevant scriptures into discussions at times.

That is very important indeed... I was not trying to make fun of you... I was wondering.

 

[Addy]

This was a staged event. Antifa planned to storm the Whitehouse and the presence of thousands of trump supporters mitigated the situation. Two days ago, Antifa stormed the Capital building and yet again, trump supporters mitigated the situation. It wasn't trump supporters that stormed the Capital grounds, it was Antifa dressed as Trump Supporters. The communist infiltrators are using Antifa to frighten congress away from doing the right thing, doing their duty. It worked. In the morning, congress was about to disqualify the counterfeit votes. By Evening, the tide had turned.

You are the one who has claimed that Antifa planned this... and you also claim that Antifa stormed into the Capital building... which is fine... but there is NO proof that they did.

 

[CadyandZoe]

NO... I do not know for sure... LOL.... I took the quote from the Newsmax article that Mailman Dan supplied.
Common sense would lean towards the reasoning that these rioters were Trump supporters...as they purposely
targeted Nancy Pelosi's office.

Let's assume that these were Trump supporters, which they were not, why does it make sense for them to break into Nancy Pelosi's office exclusively? What did they hope to gain? How does this objective move the football closer to the goal?

According to other articles that I have read... there were also supporters from QAnon which are also Trump supporters. The woman who was killed was apparently affiliated with this group.

What evidence did the news articles give to support their suspicions that these where Qanon people? (I can tell you why they were not.)

There is NO EVIDENCE to suggest that Antifa

Be honest. Have you looked for evidence? I have seen the evidence myself, but I just want to know if I am talking to an honest person, or someone who blindly believes what the news media reports.

it does not matter to me.

Well, it matters to me because you accused my president of inciting a riot, which is a lie. Did you actually hear the president's speech. I heard the whole thing. What sentences or phrases of his speech would lead anyone to believe that the President wanted his followers to charge the Capital building and break through the barrier?

The issue here is NOT who they were... but what they did... they broke into a federal building... destroyed property and gloated about it for the entire world to see. I don't care who did it.... but I do care that it is NOT blamed on someone who DIDN'T do it.

I don't believe you.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You are the one who has claimed that Antifa planned this... and you also claim that Antifa stormed into the Capital building... which is fine... but there is NO proof that they did.

Have you searched for proof? Or are you just parroting what you have heard on TV?

 

[Addy]

Well, it matters to me because you accused my president of inciting a riot, which is a lie. Did you actually hear the president's speech. I heard the whole thing. What sentences or phrases of his speech would lead anyone to believe that the President wanted his followers to charge the Capital building and break through the barrier?

I also heard the entire speech and I believe the president incited violence.... That is my opinion and I am entitled to it... just as you are entitled to yours.

The evidence so far...does seem to support that it was pro-Trump protesters... I am not the one who has made claims two days after the incident.... YOU are the one who has insisted the rioters were Antifa... LOL... You seem so eager to engage in an argument... of which I have NO interest.

I don't care WHO broke into Capital Hill... someone did.... but it does NOT appear to be ANTIFA or BLM.... I am not trying to cover up any truths... but I am not going to buy the random conspiracy theories. Have a beautiful day.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I also heard the entire speech and I believe the president incited violence.... WAS he responsible for the actual break in?? NOPE...but he did nothing to DEFUSE the situation. the evidence does seem to support that it was pro-Trump protesters... You seem so eager to engage in an argument... of which I have NO interest.

I don't care WHO broke into Capital Hill... someone did.... but it does NOT appear to be ANTIFA or BLM.... I am not trying to cover up any truths... but I am not going to buy the random conspiracy theories. Have a beautiful day.

I became interested in this thread because your claim that the President incited violence against the capital building, which is untrue. The fact that you are unwilling to defend your defamatory and sinful comment has me upset. I am mourning over the fact that Christians are no longer interested in the truth.