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I became interested in this thread because your claim that the President incited violence against the capital building, which is untrue. The fact that you are unwilling to defend your defamatory and sinful comment has me upset. I am mourning over the fact that Christians are no longer interested in the truth.

This is going to be my last conversation with you.... I watched the speech and it is my opinion that the president did indeed incite violence. There is no defence of an opinion... it is merely a thought... LOL I did not comment on WHO broke into Capital Hill.... YOU did that.... I am simply stating that it does NOT appear to be Antifa.... So please... let's agree to disagree. Bless you.
 
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I have spent some time listening to what went wrong with security at Capital Hill.

The problem seems to be the lack of belief on the parts of DC police and Capital Hill police that HELP would be NEEDED.
therefore... both police departments apparently REJECTED help offered by National Guard. The troops were not sent in due to
misguided INSIGHT as to the SEVERITY of threat level.... which was judged as MODERATE when it should have been SEVERE....and as a result.... CHAOS.

That is the ISSUE here... and because of this FAILURE... arrests that could have been made on Wednesday... ( due to proper man power ) will now take months and years... or maybe never.

This is what people need to be focusing on.... VERY POOR management from the DC and Capital Hill Police!

This was a SERIOUS and COSTLY ERROR. Administration of both these police departments need to face serious consequences.

Canada is a constitutional monarchy with a Prime Minister and a parliament. Functionally it is a voting socialist democracy. Mostly benevolent. The most recent survey in Canada, conducted in 2018, found that a slim majority of Canadian adults (55%) say they are Christian, including 29% who are Catholic and 18% who are Protestant. About three-in-ten Canadians say they are either atheist (8%), agnostic (5%) or “nothing in particular” (16%). The decline of Christianity, the same is even more true in European countries were the people depend on the government and depend less on God. It is not that these European countries are against Christianity, it is a social psychological effect of a shift of trust from God to government.

Canada exist under the protective umbrella of the United States and therefore they do not need a massive military, as it is around 68,000 thousand ground, air, and sea forces. Over the years it has been understood that if some one attacked Canada, the United States would respond, if for no other reason because it is close to their own boarders. But if the United States converts to a communist country, Canada will be facing a communist military.

Now having said that, Canada's elections are also managed by Dominion election systems. Canadians were part of the development of the Dominion software so the security of their elections are questionable, even though as I understand it, Dominion is not used in their federal elections. One of the headquarters for Dominion systems is in Ontario, Canada, actually developed by Canadians James Hoover and John Poulos. The liberals versus conservative numbers are roughly similar to the United States but the conservatives are more liberal than in the United States. Then again the liberals in Canada do not have the communist agenda that has taken over the democratic party in the United States. In other words they have liberals and conservatives not conservatives and communists, which makes a big difference.

My point in bringing this up is the cultural and national perspectives of countries like Canada are going to be more supportive of socialist societies. Canada is not alone, there are other countries in Europe that are functionally socialist, even the United Kingdom. But most of these countries have succeeded because they are a combination of democracy, socialism, and a free market economy. So thereby are not true socialist countries. The practical definition of socialism is similar to communism and why they both fail.

  • First, socialism eradicates private property and markets and thus eliminates rational calculation.
  • Second, socialism allows soft budgets, so there is no mechanism in place to discard inefficient production methods.
  • Third, abolishing private property and replacing it by the state distorts the incentives.
  • Four, the socialist system with its absence of private property and of free markets inhibits the economic coordination of the system of division of labor and capital.
This differs in the United States because it is a super power that stands for Christianity and freedom which makes it the enemy of China and Russia and other evildoers of the world. So it has becomes the target for those that want to bring it down. Destroying the morals and ethics of the American society is paramount to converting the United States to Communism and thereby neutralize it as an enemy of communism and evil. So the communist initiative has been to disrupt society, attack our values, and destroy the economy of the United States so that it is no long a super power. Promoting drugs is just one of the initiatives, to neutralize and captivate the minds of Americans....Why? Drugs are really the only thing drug addicts care about, freedom and liberty, and morals and ethics are not a concern. Just give them drugs and they will be happy.

The only reason that these socialist type governments can exist and thrive is because of the United States. Once the great experiment of democracy fades away, they will become the prime target of communist countries. Once the United States is converted to communism the rest of the world will be facing a powerful military that is under communist control. Unlike Canada and other "socialist type" countries, the political shift here in the United States is under the control of the democrats that have strong connections with communist China. They are not modeling the United States after a country like Canada. For this reason, those in other countries that look at the United States and think that the American way is not worth bloodshed and war, need to know, they will be next.

Now who was responsible for the assault on the capital building? We may never know...but it needed to happen to serve notice that they are touchable. The communist democrats have been bold in their initiatives because they believed that they cannot be held accountable...untouchable. Now they know that they are touchable and there are people willing to do it. They have homes just like Josh Hawley had a home that was harassed. They live, they walk, they ride, and people can touch them. They can be held accountable.
 
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@Grailhunter ... WOW.... that is quite an explanation... and I do appreciate the time you took to try and explain things.. however... I don't understand a large part of the depth of what you have stated... so I feel badly about that.

My point on this thread is that FAKE NEWS happens when people make claims that cannot be proven... Stating that a group did something when there is no evidence to prove it is something I have a problem with... If this was an AGENDA that was pre-planned... then I am not aware of how that works. I stand behind the comments I made. I don't think ANYONE is able to DETERMINE at this time... who did what... that is all I am trying to say. Anyways... thanks for your comment to me.
 
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Canada is a constitutional monarchy with a Prime Minister and a parliament. Functionally it is a voting socialist democracy. Mostly benevolent. The most recent survey in Canada, conducted in 2018, found that a slim majority of Canadian adults (55%) say they are Christian, including 29% who are Catholic and 18% who are Protestant. About three-in-ten Canadians say they are either atheist (8%), agnostic (5%) or “nothing in particular” (16%). The decline of Christianity, the same is even more true in European countries were the people depend on the government and depend less on God. It is not that these European countries are against Christianity, it is a social psychological effect of a shift of trust from God to government.

And... just to be clear... I have never stated that my country is Christian... I believe in separation of church and state... I do not expect my government to rule in favour of Christian morals. That onus is on me as an individual. My country is NOT Christian at all.. lol... I don't have a problem stating this... I have never been about BASHING America... but I have been honest with my thoughts... They are not right or wrong... but they are mine. Just wanted to clarify this. I am done for the day now... Bless you.
 
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@Grailhunter ... WOW.... that is quite an explanation... and I do appreciate the time you took to try and explain things.. however... I don't understand a large part of the depth of what you have stated... so I feel badly about that.
My point on this thread is that FAKE NEWS happens when people make claims that cannot be proven... Stating that a group did something when there is no evidence to prove it is something I have a problem with... If this was an AGENDA that was pre-planned... then I am not aware of how that works. I stand behind the comments I made. I don't think ANYONE is able to DETERMINE at this time... who did what... that is all I am trying to say. Anyways... thanks for your comment to me.

Agreed...who are going to believe?
Are we going to know who all was there and why? Probably not.
Would I agree with those that did it? I don't know.
But I do agree that the event needed to happen so that they know that they are touchable and there are people willing and able to touch them.

As far as the run down of the various countries and their perspectives....and whether it is worth violence. People need to know that it does not matter where they live....if America falls....the communists will select a new target....and eventually they will get around to them.
 

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Would I agree with those that did it? I don't know.
But I do agree that the event needed to happen so that they know that they are touchable and there are people willing and able to touch them.

I guess I am really NOT understanding this... What happened on Capital Hill was a CRIME.. and those who broke through security and illegally entered the building are CRIMINALS.... I don't understand your statement of this NEEDING to happen.... It needed to be PREVENTED.... but anyways.... I think I am not getting it and that is ok.
 

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And... just to be clear... I have never stated that my country is Christian... I believe in separation of church and state... I do not expect my government to rule in favour of Christian morals. That onus is on me as an individual. My country is NOT Christian at all.. lol... I don't have a problem stating this... I have never been about BASHING America... but I have been honest with my thoughts... They are not right or wrong... but they are mine. Just wanted to clarify this. I am done for the day now... Bless you.
Understood and I did mention Christianity, but the point is that it is an natural transition from relying on and looking to God to relying and looking to the government. And it is just not about Christianity it is about God as a whole.
 

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I guess I am really NOT understanding this... What happened on Capital Hill was a CRIME.. and those who broke through security and illegally entered the building are CRIMINALS.... I don't understand your statement of this NEEDING to happen.... It needed to be PREVENTED.... but anyways.... I think I am not getting it and that is ok.
Once things get to this level and the country is threated with chaos, anarchy, and communism...the laws are not going to matter.
The founding fathers were technically criminals and treasonous. In war, you have a different set of laws....the democrats and most of Washington DC have not been following the laws for quite some time now. In this scenario where the democrats have no respect for the law, the Constitution, or even common decency the intent to hold Patriots to the law is like tying them in shackles while they attack them.
 

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Understood and I did mention Christianity, but the point is that it is an natural transition from relying on and looking to God to relying and looking to the government. And it is just not about Christianity it is about God as a whole.

I think the difference is truly in cultural raisings/upbringings... I was born Canadian... and have only just TRIED ( but badly failed ) to try and understand a bit about American politics due to Mr. Trump being elected as president 4 years ago. I believe that there is NO such thing as a nation being for GOD.... the nation is land and property... Americans are only so because they were born in a certain location.... I can't seem to make the separation that many have made regarding being AMERICAN. But I am not American... and I regress that I am tired... I think after this comment... I will refrain from making any more comments on these forums for a while...

Anyways.... I am truly not trying to be difficult... I admit that I do not understand... and I am ok with that... I thought my comment about the break in on Capital Hill was in reference to an offence against property... I did not read into any kind of pre-set agenda that needed to happen... my brain does not think that way... right is right and wrong is wrong in my books... You are one of the good ones Grailhunter... and I do thank you for your time... I am good here... in my simplicity...
 

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I think the difference is truly in cultural raisings/upbringings... I was born Canadian... and have only just TRIED ( but badly failed ) to try and understand a bit about American politics due to Mr. Trump being elected as president 4 years ago. I believe that there is NO such thing as a nation being for GOD.... the nation is land and property... Americans are only so because they were born in a certain location.... I can't seem to make the separation that many have made regarding being AMERICAN. But I am not American... and I regress that I am tired... I think after this comment... I will refrain from making any more comments on these forums for a while...

Anyways.... I am truly not trying to be difficult... I admit that I do not understand... and I am ok with that... I thought my comment about the break in on Capital Hill was in reference to an offence against property... I did not read into any kind of pre-set agenda that needed to happen... my brain does not think that way... right is right and wrong is wrong in my books... You are one of the good ones Grailhunter... and I do thank you for your time... I am good here... in my simplicity...

I am responding but stop being so sensitive!
 

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I am responding but stop being so sensitive!
There was absolutely no emotion ... I am not being sensitive at all... I am trying to admit that I am unable to understand what you are saying. I am not offended in the least... I am understanding that you have taken your precious time to try and discuss something with me...
I am also tired... and I did say that... but I also said I appreciate your effort... I just don't want you to waste it on me.. LOL

You are talking 100's of years of tradition... and I suck at history... economics and the founding of nations... lol My comment was regarding Antifa being blamed for the riot on Capital Hill... without proof... it's that simple... Bless you Grailhunter... I mean that... NO sensitivity... I wish I could understand what you are telling me.... because you are truly one of the few that will communicate with respect...and I do appreciate that... so NO sensitivity here... what is lacking is my understanding.
 

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I think the difference is truly in cultural raisings/upbringings... I was born Canadian... and have only just TRIED ( but badly failed ) to try and understand a bit about American politics due to Mr. Trump being elected as president 4 years ago.
American politics? Interesting study, but what is going now is not American politics, it is a communist coup. What is important now is to understand what happens in a communist state and that it is headed your way.

There was a time when both pollical parties had respect for property and life. Now we murder 600,000 babies a year and the democrats turn a blind eye to looting, burning, and murder. While openly justifying it and proclaiming that they are Marxist, and do not support law and order or the officers that uphold them.
 

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There was absolutely no emotion ... I am not being sensitive at all... I am trying to admit that I am unable to understand what you are saying. I am not offended in the least... I am understanding that you have taken your precious time to try and discuss something with me...
I am also tired... and I did say that... but I also said I appreciate your effort... I just don't want you to waste it on me.. LOL

You are talking 100's of years of tradition... and I suck at history... economics and the founding of nations... lol My comment was regarding Antifa being blamed for the riot on Capital Hill... without proof... it's that simple... Bless you Grailhunter... I mean that... NO sensitivity... I wish I could understand what you are telling me.... because you are truly one of the few that will communicate with respect...and I do appreciate that... so NO sensitivity here... what is lacking is my understanding.

I understand...we all got to "suck" at something. I am horrible at golf....pretty good at golf skeet!
 

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American politics? Interesting study, but what is going now is not American politics, it is a communist coup. What is important now is to understand what happens in a communist state and that it is headed your way.

There was a time when both pollical parties had respect for property and life. Now we murder 600,000 babies a year and the democrats turn a blind eye to looting, burning, and murder. While openly justifying it and proclaiming that they are Marxist, and do not support law and order or the officers that uphold them.

Well ... this is what I am NOT understanding... The decline in morality has been happening over years and years... Somehow all of a sudden... there is a WAKE up call in these last four years of Trump... all of a sudden it is a coup.... and all of a sudden America is under attack in a terrible way... I don't see this... and I don't understand this... which is why I don't have any power... LOL. All I can see is that it has been a slow fade.

I don't see the divide that you see... I don't see that democrats are evil and republicans are good... but I don't need to because I am not American... I do understand that this world is coming to an end... I understand that God is in control..... but I have never FELT comfortable on this planet... I want to go to heaven... I want to go home because this place is nasty... that is honest... I don't depend on politicians to make good decisions.... that is on me. Anyways... my day is over here... so I will see you tomorrow... LOL
 
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I became interested in this thread because your claim that the President incited violence against the capital building, which is untrue. The fact that you are unwilling to defend your defamatory and sinful comment has me upset. I am mourning over the fact that Christians are no longer interested in the truth.
Some believers [call them Christians] are really interested in the Truth which Jesus is. But must their 'truth' include spending as as much time [more?] in studying the politics of today as we do in studying the Bible, worshipping God and prayer?

How a person study politics today, where most all of the active participants seem to be sometimes untruthful? How a person be certain that his conclusions are always be correct and true? I certainly do not know! If you do that may be fine for you...! But... should you be condemning someone who is unwilling or even unable to follow your lead in politics?

It appears to me that the lady expressed her opinion which, for many, may be an unpopular one. As to whether or not the President incited violence by his words is questionable and certainly subject to interpretation as I see it. I also heard what he said. What does it require to incite someone to violence?
I have not stated my own opinion.

@Adoration admitted her lack of knowledge but as she said she certainly had right to state an opinion on what the President said. You inserted the word, sinful, in your opinion of her opinion, which appears to me as an unwarranted accusation on your part unless you knew what was in her heart. That does not relate only to politics but to where she is in the Lord... as if you were an expert on that for anyone at all. I certainly am not!

Why should your first hand [is it?] and supposed correct [is it?] information be seen as more than just one more biased statement by someone who does not know you well? We are all liars, are we not? I admit that at times I am but God is still working on me.
 
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This is going to be my last conversation with you.... I watched the speech and it is my opinion that the president did indeed incite violence. There is no defence of an opinion... it is merely a thought... LOL I did not comment on WHO broke into Capital Hill.... YOU did that.... I am simply stating that it does NOT appear to be Antifa.... So please... let's agree to disagree. Bless you.

I watched several livestreams of the Capitol protest on the 6th live from morning and until night. The media really twisted things up. Did we forget that back early last year, Antifa literally started fires in DC by the capitol with Molotov cocktails and burned up police cars? It wasn't called the "worst day in American history." Did we forget that they were also burning down the American flag in front of the capitol? Maybe you didn't see it, but I watched it live and if I looked, some of those streams might still be up and worth taking a look at.

A lot of people did not know they were "breaking in." They were literally walking in and taking pictures with guards and looking around. People just follow whoever seems like the leader at the time. I am not sure which speech you're referring to with Trump, but if you send a link I'll take a look.

It is also worth noting that day that Trump gave a speech, posted to Twitter, literally telling people to stay peaceful and go home. I watched that speech as well, and it was removed for inciting violence. (He said nothing violent. Perhaps it didn't fit the narrative?) And then Trump was banned a while later.

Note: I'm not saying these things in order to defend Trump. I'm saying them because people deserve to not be lied to. And it's very stupid for the media to lie to people and try to change things on such a drastic level.

I watched a lot of the Trump speeches live - the whole way through, on my own, without some guy's opinion. I didn't read the headlines and stick to that. I watched it actually happen.

It's ridiculous for the news to say "We're just going to cut him off and not show that." Whatever. Show the news and let us hear it for ourselves, otherwise you're hiding something and you're scared. Just like it was ridiculous for them to tell us that there were no Antifa protests while we watched them burning down our buildings and tearing down our statues live.
 

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@Adoration admitted her lack of knowledge but as she said she certainly had right to state an opinion on what the President said.
If a person does not know enough about a matter, then they should not be expressing unequivocal opinions. It was a TOTAL LIE to assert that Trump incited anyone to violence, rioting, or anarchy. And you should have been able to say this too.

But lies have become the bread and butter of the media and the Democrats. And HATRED for Trump has become their daily food.
 

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If a person does not know enough about a matter, then they should not be expressing unequivocal opinions. It was a TOTAL LIE to assert that Trump incited anyone to violence, rioting, or anarchy. And you should have been able to say this too.

But lies have become the bread and butter of the media and the Democrats. And HATRED for Trump has become their daily food.

The Trump haters are funny I will give you that....but then as far as the lady....lol...got to get her feet wet somewhere. lol
 

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If a person does not know enough about a matter, then they should not be expressing unequivocal opinions. It was a TOTAL LIE to assert that Trump incited anyone to violence, rioting, or anarchy. And you should have been able to say this too.

But lies have become the bread and butter of the media and the Democrats. And HATRED for Trump has become their daily food.
None of us know enough about many issues to express well defined [LOL I had to look up the word, "unequivocal"] opinions. Perhaps we all need to simply shut up if we don't know all or enough of the facts. Who does really know all or enough of the facts? Perhaps most or even all of us should never vote in an election since it is also unlikely that most of us ultimately know very much at all about the issues or the candidates?

Perhaps most or even all of us should not participate in most, if not all, of the conversations about God and the Bible on this forum, because there is so much that we do not know... even after sometimes lifetimes of study, prayer and involvement.

Perhaps the moderators of this forum should prepare qualifying examinations before allowing a person to participate in the threads under certain categories? Anyone who does not pass a minimum standard should be allowed only to observe. No questions or comments allowed! Hmmm?

Did not even Jesus realize that there is time when it is better to remain silent than to speak? He knew when it was time... but do we, any of us, always? Ever?