I've just had my first dose of Covid vaccine!

[WaterSong]

Your first link is all about a controversial trial involving just 50 or so volunteers, which may be the precursor to future vaccine research. Nothing to do with the vaccination programme currently being rolled out to millions, using vaccines which have been tested in the traditional way.

The British Government's strategy is correctly described as a gamble (although there is some data to support it, and many vaccines do work better when the doses are given further apart), but it isn't an experiment. A scientific experiment would have a control group. And it baffles me that anyone would consider that a reason not to have the vaccine, as we do know that even one dose is better than none.

I posted the first link for that very reason, i.e. informing of vaccine research methods using those volunteers.

The British government describes their strategy as a gamble, and that is indeed fair. However, they stakes they're gambling with, the chips on the table, are the lives of the UK citizens! And their future health or perhaps the deficiency there of.

For reference: What is a control group: How to define control groups in an experiment - AP Statistics

Ever consider, you, and those like you who receive this vaccine are the next designated stage of, control group?

Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine (AZD1222) against SARS-CoV-2: an interim analysis of four randomised controlled trials in Brazil, South Africa, and the UK

 

[Taken]

Giving us immunity to an infection more safely than if we caught it 'naturally'. This usually equates to preventing us from catching the infection.

TY- but somewhat disagree.

Every person Has an "Immune System" in their body.
Every person's "Immunity System", is "Strong, Moderate, Weak", which is determined by what the individual, (for days, weeks, years) ... introduces INTO their body.
(Vitamins, minerals, elements from out of the earth, atmosphere).

•Well known, every individuals immune system, is different.
•Some people have highly compromised immune systems...lacking in vitamins, minerals, elements...and are routinely Sick, like a walking magnet attraction to every pathogen floating all around.
•Others have a strong immune system, by having a "regular habit" of knowing and using God Given vitamins, minerals, elements from the Earth and atmosphere, He created.

Vaccines are substances (synthetic and natural compounded / mixed) "that prepare the immune system to fight" a disease-causing germ or other pathogen by imitating an infection.

Prepare " the immune system"... ?
"The immune system" is a general term.
We already know...every individuals immune system is "Individual".

Personally, I keep a check on making sure "my immune system", IS Strong, BY regularly introducing into my body, Gods provisions.
Getting sick has never plagued me.

Just saying...vaccines "Should be" an individuals choice. They expressly KNOW their own health, of their own "immunity systems" strength or weakness.

Vaccines do not increase ones "immunity system". Vaccines concentrate ones, immunity System to fight a "particular introduced pathogen."
And people with a weak immune system, trying to fight off "other pathogens", may become more compromised, should their immune system be fully directed to one pathogen.

I have no issue with your Election to be Vaccinated...or your hopefulness in receiving a mix of synthetic and natural compounds, to guard you against one particular pathogen.

I do have an issue, with the pre-text buzz, that people should "not have an election", to refuse a vaccination.
Not saying, that is "your", pre-text...
Am saying...that is prevalent in today's media and governments around the world, and worthy to note.

God Bless,
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[JohnDB]

I once had a lady just a screaming at me to not get a silicone injection in my arthritis knee...said it was going to kill me. And I was clueless as to what else there was to do about it. (She didn't have any ideas either other than replacing it)

Ummm....
It's been at least 6 months and it's all dissolved away. So I'm getting ready for another one. Steroid injection won't work.

And it's beginning to hurt once again.

So guess what I'm a gonna do.

 

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...the vaccination programme currently being rolled out to millions, using vaccines which have been tested in the traditional way.

Traditional "trials and testing" are conducted over periods of years.

•The supposed "new virus", discovered;
Dec. 2019
•The "new virus" officially named:
Coronavirus 19
Jan 2020
•Vaccine Trials introduced to Humans:
Dec 2021
•Vaccine Trials 2nd introduction to 2nd doses;
21 days after initial dose.

Humans Are the test subjects participating voluntarily in Vaccine Trials.

From the Trials...information is gathered on success or failure of the Test Subjects, and particular Test Vaccines.

 

[Deborah_]

Jan 2020
•Vaccine Trials introduced to Humans:
Dec 2021
•Vaccine Trials 2nd introduction to 2nd doses;
21 days after initial dose.

Not quite right. The Oxford vaccine trials started way back in April 2020.

And there's no rule that states how long it takes to trial a vaccine. There are some perfectly legitimate ways of speeding up the process. For a start, many of the Covid vaccines are adapted from other vaccines that had already been through the early stages of the research - a lot of time-consuming work that didn't need to be repeated.
Oxford vaccine: How did they make it so quickly?

 

[Deborah_]

The British government describes their strategy as a gamble, and that is indeed fair. However, they stakes they're gambling with, the chips on the table, are the lives of the UK citizens! And their future health or perhaps the deficiency there of.

But they could be risking lives whichever choice they made. It's a gamble, yes - but not an unreasonable one.

Ever consider, you, and those like you who receive this vaccine are the next designated stage of, control group?

No - because if that were the case, they would need our consent.

Things may possibly be different on your side of the Atlantic, but over here it's impossible to do any research without ethical oversight.

 

[WaterSong]

But they could be risking lives whichever choice they made. It's a gamble, yes - but not an unreasonable one.

I guess that will remain to be seen.

No - because if that were the case, they would need our consent.

Did you sign anything before you consented to be injected?

Things may possibly be different on your side of the Atlantic, but over here it's impossible to do any research without ethical oversight.

Interesting turn of phrase don't you think? Ethical....oversight.

 

[amigo de christo]

Adding this because this is an example of what she's referring to with regard to Bill Gates and Eugenics. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bill+gates+population+control+

What i say next , probably not a soul one will believe it .
BUT why do you REALLY THINK they want population reduction .
Because , they know they will eventually rule , And they want to spend as little as possible
to keep the serfs content . So REDUCE the number of serfs . Keep just enough
so you can have a people to rule over . I mean lets face it , the elites do not want EVERYONE gone .
Cause then who would look up to them and praise them as though they are savoirs and gods .
I know this sounds highly unbelievable . But it is true . They never cared about us , they pretend too .
Only so they could obtain the total power . ONCE they have that , which they basically do even now
They gonna start herd thinning .
AND what better way to do that . Than to create a virus , release that virus
Have a vaccine ready which will help thin the herd . AND yet all the while
they can say its a tougher new strain . WHEN IN TRUTH , folks are just having serious auto immune over drive
cause they too that shot . THEY got it well figured out . If folks start getting sicker from the virus than before
JUST SAY ITS A NEW stronger strain . WHEN IN TRUTH , yeah its those that got the vaccines that are having
more problems due to , you got it an over active immune system . Its all been arranged and i bet most folks think i am totally nuts .

 

[Deborah_]

I guess that will remain to be seen.

Indeed. And if they got it wrong, they won't be allowed to forget it.

Did you sign anything before you consented to be injected?

Yes - but I did read it first, and I wasn't consenting to take part in an experiment!

 

[amigo de christo]

Indeed. And if they got it wrong, they won't be allowed to forget it.


Yes - but I did read it first, and I wasn't consenting to take part in an experiment!

They lied to you then . I mean they admit the vaccine itself is highly experimental .
They skipped trials in order to get it out faster . WHO ya think the guinie pigs really are . WELL , NOT ME , cause i aint touching the nasty thing

 

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Not quite right. The Oxford vaccine trials started way back in April 2020.

And there's no rule that states how long it takes to trial a vaccine. There are some perfectly legitimate ways of speeding up the process. For a start, many of the Covid vaccines are adapted from other vaccines that had already been through the early stages of the research - a lot of time-consuming work that didn't need to be repeated.
Oxford vaccine: How did they make it so quickly?

Won't bother with a silly few months difference of Beginning human trials.

Fact is ... this strain of A conavirus Vaccine is a Trial on humans. The Short-Term effects reports are being released, and Long-Term effects reports will continue to be released.

I'm glad you along with so many others volunteered for this study.
I have already read Early Reports of some claimed Success and some Negative Reports.

But the most disturbing reports have been surrounding the Number of (other disease causing and Accident Deaths), being corruptly reported as a Death due to a Corona-viral disease, Knowingly False on its face.

Anyway, thanks for being a test subject.

 

[Taken]

Indeed. And if they got it wrong, they won't be allowed to forget it.

Yes - but I did read it first, and I wasn't consenting to take part in an experiment!

You may not have been told that.
But come on. All new Meds dispensed to humans are test trials. And by the way...typically "free"... from Doctor Samples, to "free shots", "free vaccines"...
And prisoners can sign up to volunteer, for "an extra bit of yard time or other attractive incentative offers".

You can read in the papers or flyers all the time to take part in "a free trial", of this or that. They may offer, a few bucks, gas money, or free parking...but it is a Trial.

 

[WaterSong]

What i say next , probably not a soul one will believe it .
BUT why do you REALLY THINK they want population reduction .
Because , they know they will eventually rule , And they want to spend as little as possible
to keep the serfs content . So REDUCE the number of serfs . Keep just enough
so you can have a people to rule over . I mean lets face it , the elites do not want EVERYONE gone .
Cause then who would look up to them and praise them as though they are savoirs and gods .
I know this sounds highly unbelievable . But it is true . They never cared about us , they pretend too .
Only so they could obtain the total power . ONCE they have that , which they basically do even now
They gonna start herd thinning .
AND what better way to do that . Than to create a virus , release that virus
Have a vaccine ready which will help thin the herd . AND yet all the while
they can say its a tougher new strain . WHEN IN TRUTH , folks are just having serious auto immune over drive
cause they too that shot . THEY got it well figured out . If folks start getting sicker from the virus than before
JUST SAY ITS A NEW stronger strain . WHEN IN TRUTH , yeah its those that got the vaccines that are having
more problems due to , you got it an over active immune system . Its all been arranged and i bet most folks think i am totally nuts .

No, I don't think you're totally nuts. I think it is totally plausible. Years ago America's 56th Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who is German, and still alive by the way and should be nearly 97 years old by now, is all for population control and referred to the elderly and the disabled as, useless eaters.

That same sentiment was held by the Nazi's. What's happening now in America and around the world quite frankly, because if you notice what outrages us today is happening in other parts of the world under the guise of those nations own political construct. But it is still following the same formula that has existed for millennia. What would the masters be were it not for the slaves?

Eugenics, population control, and the platiform that is anti-humanism, keep the slave population under control. And props up the nanny state ideology for those who are especially purposefully oppressed and for their usefulness to that agenda.
Slaves were freed through the efforts afforded a Republican president. Freed slaves were afforded liberty also through a Constitutional amendment,the 13th, and of course the Emancipation Proclamation.
Democrats then enslaved them with invisible chains ever since. Jim Crow laws created ‘slavery by another name’


https://assets.ctfassets.net/qnesrj...uth_about_the_democratic_party-transcript.pdf

Kissinger, one architect of the new world order, and his published thoughts:

• The elderly are useless eaters." From his book The Final Days.
• "Military men are 'dumb, stupid animals to be used' as pawns for foreign policy." From his book, The Final Days.
• "Depopulation should be the highest priority of foreign policy towards the third world, because the US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries." From a National Security Memo number 200 dated April 24, 1974.
• "Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac." - From the book The Final Days.
• "Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government." From a speech at Evian, France on May 21, 1992 at a Bilderburg meeting. Henry was not aware the speech was being recorded by a Swiss delegate.

Think back to, or or that matter watch the now Demoncratic majority Congress when they make speeches from the floor. Listen for the Marxist, Communist, themes and language they use when discussing the American political future now in their control.
From 2012: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...re-communists/2012/04/11/gIQApbZiAT_blog.html


And it is all part of the machinery to keep America divided and the majority of its people, regardless of race, enslaved to the machinists.
Keep the black community oppressed, create ghettos, exploit poverty, pay women who choose to have babies out of wedlock and not work, install abortion clinics in impoverished neighborhoods, introduce addictive drugs into those neighborhoods, manifest a culture of hopelessness, while sustaining it through the nanny state principle, and watch violence and frustration erupt.

Therein making law enforcement against those frustrated violent persons more prolific. Engender hatred and revolution, and instigate, even pay, radical racist domestic terrorist minded people to rise up and fight the system that's actually responsible for their existence, and again, foster an atmosphere of violence and chaos that generates fear in those who watch from the outskirts.

Once again, the police state solution enters in to quell the violence.
Breed the slaves. Feed the slaves. Enrage the slaves. Engage the slaves. Oppress the slaves. Kill the slaves(death penalty stats). Rest assured; there shall always be more slaves.

It works the same in any country.

 

[WaterSong]

Indeed. And if they got it wrong, they won't be allowed to forget it.

Really? Without Googling, do you know what the Tuskegee Study was?

Yes - but I did read it first, and I wasn't consenting to take part in an experiment!

Not true. By consenting to receive a new vaccine, especially if yours was the mRNA vaccine, you are consenting to that study of the mRNA effectiveness, and that then is an experiment.

(sic)"...In recent days, the British have said they will stretch out the interval between the administration of the two doses required for Covid-19 vaccines already in use — potentially to as long as three months, instead of the recommended three or four weeks. And they have said they will permit the first dose and second dose for any one person to be from different vaccine manufacturers, if the matching vaccine is not available.

The moves are borne of a desire to begin vaccinating as many people as quickly as possible, particularly with Britain facing high levels of transmission of an apparently more infectious form of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19.


But they are also effectively turning that country into a living laboratory. The moves are based on small slices of evidence mined from “subsets of subsets” of participants in clinical trials, as one expert described it for STAT, and on general principles of vaccinology rather than on actual research into the specific vaccines being used. If the efforts succeed, the world will have learned a great deal. If they fail, the world will also have gained important information, though some fear it could come at a high cost."

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(sic)"The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are the first using mRNA technology, and the companies did not study those extended dosing schedules. Pfizer has objected to the proposal that the vaccine be used with a longer interval between vaccinations. "
Source: Britain gambles on Covid-19 vaccines, upping the stakes for the rest of us

Do you know what pharmaceutical company dispensed the vaccine you were injected with? Was that in the paperwork you read?

 

[WaterSong]

(sic)...."And perhaps even more monumental is the kind of vaccine that Pfizer and BioNTech are bringing across the finish line. The active ingredient inside their shot is mRNA—mobile strings of genetic code that contain the blueprints for proteins. Cells use mRNA to get those specs out of hard DNA storage and into their protein-making factories. The mRNA inside Pfizer and BioNTech’s vaccine directs any cells it reaches to run a coronavirus spike-building program. The viral proteins these cells produce can’t infect any other cells, but they are foreign enough to trip the body’s defense systems. They also look enough like the real virus to train the immune system to recognize SARS-CoV-2, should its owner encounter the infectious virus in the future. Up until now, this technology has never been approved for use in people. A successful mRNA vaccine won’t just be a triumph over the new coronavirus, it’ll be a huge leap forward for the science of vaccine making."

Source:
Why It’s a Big Deal If the First Covid Vaccine Is ‘Genetic’
If approved by the FDA, Pfizer and BioNTech’s mRNA vaccine would be the first of its kind, setting a record for speed—but raising questions about distribution.

 

[Deborah_]

You may not have been told that.
But come on. All new Meds dispensed to humans are test trials. And by the way...typically "free"... from Doctor Samples, to "free shots", "free vaccines"...
And prisoners can sign up to volunteer, for "an extra bit of yard time or other attractive incentative offers".

You can read in the papers or flyers all the time to take part in "a free trial", of this or that. They may offer, a few bucks, gas money, or free parking...but it is a Trial.

If you choose to look at it that way, then every time you take an aspirin for a headache, you're in a "test trial". Because you never know if to will work on that particular headache or not. It's a way of looking at medicine, but it makes any distinctions between 'new' and 'old' treatments meaningless.

Did you know that most vaccines in this country are free? And in Wales all medical prescriptions are free. There are no suspicious connotations attached to that fact.

 

[Deborah_]

Really? Without Googling, do you know what the Tuskegee Study was?

Yes. It's a standard lesson in how NOT to do research, and one of the reasons why ethical regulation is now so strict.

Not true. By consenting to receive a new vaccine, especially if yours was the mRNA vaccine, you are consenting to that study of the mRNA effectiveness, and that then is an experiment.

I've already told you that it wasn't an mRNA vaccine. But we already know that these vaccines are effective, and the consequences of not vaccinating are potentially dire.

It's an 'experiment' only in the sense that every decision we make is an experiment - in that we don't know for certain what the outcome may be. Yet we make decisions, because we have to. This situation is no different.

 

[Deborah_]

Do you know what pharmaceutical company dispensed the vaccine you were injected with? Was that in the paperwork you read?

And the significance of this is... what?

 

[WaterSong]

If you choose to look at it that way, then every time you take an aspirin for a headache, you're in a "test trial". Because you never know if to will work on that particular headache or not. It's a way of looking at medicine, but it makes any distinctions between 'new' and 'old' treatments meaningless.

Did you know that most vaccines in this country are free? And in Wales all medical prescriptions are free. There are no suspicious connotations attached to that fact.

They're not free. Your taxes pay for your socialized medicine programs and prescriptions. And we across the pond know that you are not even free to leave treatment, if your doctor(s) proximate a prognosis you disagree with.
The stories pertaining to sweet deceased treasure Charlie Gard and precious deceased little Alfie Evans, stand as testament to that fact.
Charlie Gard Alfie Evans


And you're wrong about the aspirin analogy.

An experimental drug, at least on this side of the pond in America,(sic)..." is a medicinal product (a drug or vaccine) that has not yet received approval from governmental regulatory authorities for routine use in human or veterinary medicine even though can cure a virus/disease. Just not funded by major drug companies. A medicinal product may be approved for use in one disease or condition but still be considered experimental for other diseases or conditions. "(source:Experimental drug - Wikipedia)

Related:
A history of aspirin

 

[historyb]

Messenger RNA vaccines have been studied and aren't new technology. It's been around for a while

Indeed they use them on cancer patients for many years. The truth is falsehoods sound so much better than the boring truth