Where is your sin?

[Behold]

The Bible plainly says we can know for sure that we are saved and have eternal life by how we live. .

If you can have eternal life by how you live, the why did Jesus have to die on a Cross to give you eternal life?

 

[Behold]

Trusting in God for salvation is not the works gospel.

Being born again, is why you have Eternal life.
You dont have to try to believe for it, once you have Jesus in you.
Wake up.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

a born again Christian can't be judged in eternity for SIN as their SIN has already been judged on EARTH.

Yes, that is true for the believing, born again person, not for the person who thinks they are born again but who's life of deliberate and habitual sin shows they are not born again.....

9 ...he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
10 ...Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God... 1 John 3:9-10​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You are kept saved by the same that saved you.
That's the blood of Jesus.

......through faith. The faith through which you are protected by God's power until the day of salvation.

This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 Peter 1:4-5​

Your self effort to try to keep yourself saved by believing, after you are already born again,.... is just one more way to not give Credit to Christ alone, for what He accomplished on the Cross.

There is no boast in believing....

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of works? No, but on that of faith. Romans 3:27​

Believing is not a work of self righteous merit.....

...who does not work, but believes... Romans 4:5
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Paul says believing is not the same as working. But you keep saying believing in Christ is the same as you trying to save yourself through works.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

No, thats wrong.
its like this.
Everyone who is born again has eternal life, as Christ who is Eternal life is in them.
That's why you have it.
No other reason.

You keep separating believing from being saved. Believing is not a work of self righteousness. If it is, then none of us are saved. The reason you are born again is because you received the power of God in the gospel by believing in the gospel (Romans 1:16). And you are kept safe by God's power for salvation through that same believing (1 Peter 1:5). You can't have the keeping power of the gospel without believing in it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If you can have eternal life by how you live, the why did Jesus have to die on a Cross to give you eternal life?

That's why you don't receive eternal life by how you live, but rather through faith in Christ. How you live only SHOWS if you believe and have eternal life or not. I didn't say that, John did....

The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. 8 The one who practices sin is of the devil... 1 John 3:7-8​

But you claim the person who says they are saved is of God, even though they practice unrighteousness. You say that the way a person lives gives no indication of whether a person is a child of the devil or a child of God. Well, feller, that's not what the Bible says.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Being born again, is why you have Eternal life.

And believing in God is why you are born again. You can't be born again apart from believing in God. The person who is not believing in God is not born again.

You dont have to try to believe for it, once you have Jesus in you.
Wake up.

"Faith comes by hearing the word of Christ" (Romans 10:17). You have to let the 'rhema' word of salvation—the word of faith—that you 'heard' in the beginning remain in you in believing in order to remain in the promise of eternal life.....

24As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life. 1 John 2:24​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Your "unbelieving Christian" is an hypothetical fiction.

Well, @Behold , are you going to respond to this?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

12) If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13) If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

A rather incredible statement, don't you think?

Can't you see that denying him and being unfaithful to him have to be two different things? Contrary to @Behold 's claim, you can't deny Christ and still be in Christ. You can be unfaithful and still belong to Christ (cheat on your taxes because you're afraid of a losing a few bucks, lose your temper when someone provokes you, etc.) but you can not deny Christ in an outright rejection of Him in willful unbelief and still belong to Christ.

 

[Cristo Rei]

I have confidence in the Truth.
Thats Jesus. John 14:6

Also, a born again Christian can't be judged in eternity for SIN as their SIN has already been judged on EARTH.
That's = Jesus becoming their sin and DYING for them all. = THE Cross
So, do you see that Judgement? That is the Good News of the Gospel.

After the born again die, or after the Rapture, the born again will give account to Christ for "what have you done in the/my BODY".
And that is not a judgement for SIN, that is a REWARDS situation where our MOTIVE, regarding all the things we ever did, for Jesus, will be evaluated by Christ Himself.

Doesn't explain how u dismiss all the verses that say we will be judged on what we've done
Doesn't address Paul's battle against sin either

The only thing u have confidence in is your pride. You seem unable to humble yourself b4 God

But as iv said b4, this born again dispute is worthless. We both been baptized and we both believe in Christ...
According to your own belief, I am saved

 

[Behold]

......through faith. But you keep saying believing in Christ is the same as you trying to save yourself through works.

God accepts faith, once, to give you the new birth.
This is why we go to heaven, or not.

Being born again, is not to "keep believing", but rather its to become a "New Creation".
Becoming a "new Creation" "IN Christ" is the proof that God has already accepted your faith.
Put your trust THERE, and not in "im keeping myself saved by my faith, or i lose my salvation by losing my faith".
See, when that is your theology, you are trusting in YOURSELF to do what Christ has already accomplished for you.

 

[Behold]

You keep separating believing from being saved.

No, i keep pointing out to you that Salvation was completed, not by your believing, but by Jesus 2000 yrs ago.
This is God's Gift, that is applied once and forever, the instant He accepts your faith.
See, Salvation is not a process, its the "finished work of Jesus on the Cross" that you receive, as being born again.

 

[Behold]

The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous. 8 The one who practices sin is of the devil... 1 John 3:7-8​

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Well, the idea here is not that by trying to behave as Jesus's lifestyle, you prove you are not of the Devil.
See, Hell is full of people who are religious but lost.

God does not accept anyone's lifestyle as their salvation, so, you have to understand that to understand John's verse.

 

[Behold]

And believing in God is why you are born again. You can't be born again apart from believing in God.

Being born again is proof you have believed.
Being born again is not something you maintain by holding unto faith, but rather its the Gift of Salvation that has been applied to you, once, and forever.
Its done.

 

[Behold]

you can't deny Christ and still be in Christ..

Sure you can.

See, you are "In Christ" because by being born again, that is where you exist.
God caused this, and this spiritual birth can't be undone by something you say, or how you behave.

Behavior, is not why God redeems you. , so behavior has no bearing on why God keeps you.
You are kept by God , by being born again into God's Spirit, by God's Spirit.
He put you there, because He accepted your faith, once, and you are born again.

Once born again, always born again.

Behavior has no bearing on birth.

 

[Behold]

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[Behold]

Doesn't explain how u dismiss all the verses that say we will be judged on what we've done
Doesn't address Paul's battle against sin either

If you are born again, you wont meet Revelation 20:11, but you will meet the Judgment Seat of Christ.
This situation is not related to sin, as sin was dealt with on the Cross.

Also, Paul's issue with "that which i want to do, i dont do, and that which i would do, i do not do", was Paul explaining what its like try to strive against sin by will and fail.
He then continues to teach and explains that "Christ always gives me the Victory", as the understanding that to live the holy life as a perfected discipleship, is not to try to do it, in your power., by your striving, as this leads ONLY= to the "sinning and confessing" problem that wont stop.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

not...i lose my salvation by losing my faith".

...if we deny Him, He will also deny us... 2 Timothy 2:12​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

you are trusting in YOURSELF to do what Christ has already accomplished for you.

If trusting in the blood is me trusting in myself then that's what it was when I first trusted in God.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Salvation is not a process, its the "finished work of Jesus on the Cross" that you receive

Jesus' ministry is indeed complete. It does not have to be performed over and over again like the Levite's ministry. The Levitical ministry did not continue because the sacrifice did not last on the altar or because the high priest died. And that is the part about Christ's ministry that you are leaving out and causing you to have erroneous teachings about salvation—his ministry must also continue on behalf of the believer.

Christ's never ending ministry is ongoing. (Hebrews 7:25). And it must be, or else it's no better than the ministry of the Levites. And so his ministry and sacrifice, though completed, is continually being applied to the believer through the exact same faith that first secured it. It's a one time, for all time application of Christ's sacrifice, but one that must continually be applied to the believer for it to save the sinner. And it is continually applied to the believer through their continuing faith.

If His ministry is not continually applied to the believer because of unbelief in a denial of Christ it's everlasting and perfect attribute is no longer available to that person. It ends for them and ends up being no more useful at atoning for their sin than the Levitical ministry that ended for the worshiper. And it's not because there was a failure on Christ's part (he loses none). It's because the person is no longer trusting in it, and, therefore, it no longer remains for them. Now all they have to look forward to is the wrath of God for the unbelievers at the end of the age.

Hebrews 10:26-27
26If we deliberately go on sinning (going back to our old lives in willful unbelief) after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume all adversaries.​