I'm ignorant now.
OK great, once again, you feel the need to share your negative opinions of me to the world. Whatever. Think about it though.
Much love!
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OK great, once again, you feel the need to share your negative opinions of me to the world. Whatever. Think about it though.
Much love!
So, again, what is different between doubt and disbelief?
I think you would benefit greatly from some word studies, in this case, pisteuo and it's forms.
It's the context that talks about how they are being used.
If we are faithless, He remains faithful, He cannot deny Himself.
Much love!
Again, you have mistated what I wrote.
And have chosen to be insulting at the same time.
So it goes.
Much love!
Ferris Bueller
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Yes, I'm familiar with this popular Christian talking point. All I can say is, anyone who talks like this, for all you say it means, just doesn't know what it means to be a real life, day to day, Christian. Sometimes the only thing talking to you keeping you from strangling someone, lol, is to remember that God doesn't want you to do that.
I'm a realist. Sometimes love governs your behavior. Other times the written law is the only thing that stands between you and disaster, reminding you to get your head on straight in the Spirit. I'm of the opinion that if it isn't this way in a person they are either not really saved, or they are so new and inexperienced and untested in the faith and are still in the honeymoon phase of their relationship with God.
A saving relationship with God is really no different than an earthly marriage in that regard. It starts out dreamy and perfect but emotions subside and the harsh realities of life set in and test every fiber of your commitment. That's why Christ through John tells us to keep our first love, because even the most devout Christian will see it's hard to do after a while.
Ferris Bueller
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Ignorant simply means you have no knowledge of something. I do not mean that in a derogatory way. I apologize if you took it that way. I'm ignorant of a lot of things, lol. But by God's grace this just doesn't happen to be one of them, anymore.
Ferris Bueller
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...but if you deny him he will deny you.
Can't you see being 'unfaithful' and 'denying him' have to be two different things? We know that because one results in Christ denying you, while the other thing results in him remaining faithful to you.
When you believe in Jesus, and you receive Him, God gives you new birth, and you become a new person, someone who didn't exist before, someone who is righteous, and does not sin.
You still live in the body of the one born from Adam, who still exists. That you are born new does mean that the old mind just goes away. It will in fact occupy your consciousness to the extent that the new man does not.
Which is to say, we are all in the process of our minds being renewed, which means that we are learning to think according to our new reality, though we still tend to think according to what we used to be.
We get fooled thinking this is us. This is why God teaches us to monitor our thoughts, to take captive to the obedience of Christ those that are not.
Lust is what the old man of flesh does, not the new man of the spirit.
Fear is from the old man and not the new.
Greed and hatred and doubt.
All sin is from the flesh, and not from the new creation. Including unbelief.
Much love!
Ferris Bueller
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Yes. I couldn't even begin to do that without God's gracious gift of faith from which I am able to trust in the gospel message. Remember, faith is a thing. It's something God gives you as a gracious gift so that you can then do something....trust in the gospel.
Its not "a talking point". It's God's word.
In the flesh you can exert a certain control over yourself. A man may resist shoplifting to avoid court and jail. Yes, you may avoid strangling someone for fear of punishment.
The Christian expresses their faith through their love.
Much love!
Ferris Bueller
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That is right! That's why I say the person who has denied Christ is not doing that from the position of a saved believer. Whether they ever really were or not is not the point. The point is they are in a denial and rejection of Christ. They have rejected Christ and, therefore, do not belong to him! And so he has no obligation to forgive their sin through His completed but ongoing ministry.
Now, contrast that with the doubting but believing person. They haven't denied Christ. They're like John the Baptist, perhaps languishing in some suffering that has caused them to wonder if what they have believed and put their trust in really is true. God is faithful to that person. They belong to Him.
Jesus said, you must believe to enter the kingdom of God. Wait. That's not what He said. You must be born again, that's what He said.
You become born again when you believe and receive.
It's like, you can't get to Canada except on the bus. So you get you ticket, and you get on the bus. You have to have a ticket to get on the bus, but once you are on the bus, you are on your way, and having the ticket, well, you are already on the bus.
Your assertions are like saying, but if you don't have your ticket you're not going to Canada. And it's like saying, if you lose your ticket, you'll get thrown off the bus.
Except the driver knows who is supposed to be on the bus, and who bought the tickets, so, there's not a problem.
Much love!
You still assume God's not able to keep His Own.
I make no such assumption, especially considering how clearly the Bible says otherwise.
Much love!
"All that believe in me, shall never perish".
"no one is able to take them out of my hand", and that mean you, also, Ferris.
Ferris, have you ever felt that the Lord wanted you to do something, and you didn't, and later you felt guilty?
You just denied Him.
So, be careful regarding how you wrongly divide the word, or you'll end up believing that you have to keep yourself saved.
If you actually trusted in the Blood, then you would sound like me.
Instead, you sound like this.....>"Yes, i have believed in Jesus, and now as long as i dont stop believing for the rest of my life, i am able to keep myself saved".
The Cross and the Resurrection is the completion of the work that God sent Christ to finish.
The result, is that the Blood of Jesus has paid for the sin of the world, completely.
This is the "gift of Salvation". John 3:16
It it, eternal reconciliation between God and Man.....and it was completed 2000+ yrs ago, by God on the Cross.
The reality check is this.....that completed eternal life, that IS the "gift of Righteousness", is not APPLIED to everyone.
But once it is applied as "justification by faith", then that person becomes born again by the Spirit of God, and they are forever in that position as a Son of God.
That is "Eternal Security".
Its like this Ferris, .. a person's eternal security is just as eternally secure as the Blood of Jesus's Power functions for eternity to make it so.
You actually believe that if a person does a good work, or does what is right, its because they are of God?
Thats seriously naive.
Listen, a good majority of people who went to hell today, were what we would define as people who lived moral lives, and tried to be "good".
See, the people that Jesus will tell to..."Depart from me, i never knew you".....were good people.....nice, decent, honest, law keepers, church members, who obeyed the 10 commandments, the best they could.
They really tried to be "good".
Hell is full of these people.
Do you actually believe that Satans "ministers of righteousness" wont behave exactly as your verse states?
Wake up.
Your ""righteous life"", and mine, and us all... is a filthy rag as compared to the Life of Christ.
This is why you have to be born again as the "righteousness of God, in Christ".
Its because you have no goodness of yourself. = ZERO Righteousness.
Deeds prove deeds, they do not prove anything else.
What proves you are accepted by God, is to be born again.
There is no other proof.
