Grace

[David H.]

Can you see it?? Your denigration? Your presumption?

Can you?

And what kind of "mindset" does this behavior reveal?

Again, lacking appropriate responses, you choose to post your own poor negative opinions of me, apparently flummoxed over how to understand why I disagree, and how to appropriately respond.

I Am making observations of the condition of the church, and placing you into some of them to show you how you may or may not be erring. What you do with these observations is entirely up to you. Just like you saying "choose to believe it" is presuming that i do not believe this, But I am not offended, because I know that i believe and am not offended.... You see, the fact that all this makes you defensive and offended points to the fact that there is something not right there. Holiness is not a popular doctrine in evangelical circles, because of this Because there is conviction there. Conviction is not easy to receive and these are "hard words" to process, as they result in a either a repentant heart or a hardened heart....

My advice for you, is to study the holiness movements, and the revivals of the past few centuries, we have records of them, I myself posted a video here on the Welsh revival sometime back. The Believers in the Holiness camp are your Brothers in Christ Just as much as a the Baptists or the Methodists are. In Fact many of them come from these backgrounds and have grown in the grace of God and now hunger and thirst for righteousness. They hunger for more of Christ, and less of churchianity, and textualism.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think there is a lack of humility in those who think their salvation can be earned.

For what it is worth, it is clear to me that internal work is required but this is not the external works as meant in the Bible. The internal work is having the humility to accept grace. To do this requires slaying the biggest idol in the world, ones own ego

I agree

but when you think of it, if you think you can earn salvation pride is the root cause, so it makes sense you get pride as a response

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then we agree, we must repent. Some who say grace "can't be earned" believe they can't repent as that would be a righteous work. I believe we can and must acknowledge that we are sinners and can't stop sinning on our own. We need God inside of us to partake of the divine nature of Christ. Other than repentance, we cannot do anything else on our own that is life-long righteousness. But God wants and commands all men everywhere to repent.

You will never have true faith unless you repent.

faith minus repentance equals mere belief, be it in the form of legalism or licentiousness

 

[marks]

You've really changed from when I first met you on here, and not in a good way...

Is that so?

Because I don't appreciate seeing people misrepresented?

I'd like to see us, as Christians, hold to a higher standard. It saddens me that not everyone apparently feels the same!

Much love!

 

[marks]

You've really changed from when I first met you on here, and not in a good way...

And of course, instead of responding to what I wrote, you merely do the same as so many, which is to freely share your negative opinion of me.

You may want to give some private consideration to what that shows.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You see, the fact that all this makes you defensive and offended points to the fact that there is something not right there.

What I'm doing is pointing to your erroneous statements. You are ignorant about me, yet you presume to know me. But what you say about me isn't correct.

All you need to do is leave behind the negative personal nonesense, and discuss the Bible with me.

But every time we disagree, you dive into your negative personal assessments of me. I point them out, not to defend myself, but to call attention to your tactics.

Call it what you will. Or listen, and gain.

Much love!

 

[marks]

My advice for you, is to study the holiness movements,

And my advice to you would be to study Romans 4-8. Since we're sharing our advice for each other.



Much love!

 

[marks]

You've really changed from when I first met you on here, and not in a good way...

Some people really feel free to make negative personal comments about others, have you noticed that?

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

You will never have true faith unless you repent.

faith minus repentance equals mere belief, be it in the form of legalism or licentiousness

Exactly. True repentance is required to be born again.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Some people really feel free to make negative personal comments about others, have you noticed that?

Much love!

Did you notice the tone of your post I responded to? So, yes, I have noticed that in you.

 

[marks]

Did you notice the tone of your post I responded to? So, yes, I have noticed that in you.

My "tone"? Sure is easy to call "tone" whatever you want on a written page.

I was commenting on your words.

OK.

Deflect if you must.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Did you notice the tone of your post I responded to? So, yes, I have noticed that in you.

Something that I've noticed . . . that when I refute someone's assertion, and they respond with ad hominem sort of stuff, and when I point that out, it generally seems to only lead to more ad hominem sort of stuff.

Here's an example.

I spoke of what was being said, that so-and-so was teaching "license to sin", and that I would like to see that either substantiated or not said.

This was not acknowledge, but was instead turned to "You and your tone".

Personally, I think we can do better than that. But maybe I'm wrong!

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Something that I've noticed . . . that when I refute someone's assertion, and they respond with ad hominem sort of stuff, and when I point that out, it generally seems to only lead to more ad hominem sort of stuff.

Here's an example.

I spoke of what was being said, that so-and-so was teaching "license to sin", and that I would like to see that either substantiated or not said.

This was not acknowledge, but was instead turned to "You and your tone".

Personally, I think we can do better than that. But maybe I'm wrong!

Much love!

When grace is misinterpreted, such as "Its blasphemy to teach Gods unmerited favor must be earned by any means." And REPENTANCE is not given place which would be included in "any means" that is the Gnostic "license to sin." He explained that repentance indeed was not included, and we are now on the same page. You inserted your two cents without love.

 

[marks]

When grace is misinterpreted, such as "Its blasphemy to teach Gods unmerited favor must be earned by any means." And REPENTANCE is not given place which would be included in "any means" that is the Gnostic "license to sin." He explained that repentance indeed was not included, and we are now on the same page.

To be honest, I'm having a hard time following your answer here. But I'm understanding that you realize your comment was without cause, so this is good.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

To be honest, I'm having a hard time following your answer here. But I'm understanding that you realize your comment was without cause, so this is good.

Much love!

Repentance is "not included" in the "by any means." I'm happy I have your approval.

 

[CharismaticLady]

ad hominem

Ahhhhh. Your favorite accusation.

 

[marks]

Ahhhhh. Your favorite accusation.

Hardly!!



Why would you think I enjoy that?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Hardly!!



Why would you think I enjoy that?

It's your favorite word in terms of frequent use.

 

[marks]

God's Grace is not connect to our doing.
Its only connected to God's mercy and God's Gift.

This is also how we love each other.

Loving others, that is, thinking the best we can of them, hoping the best for them, wanting the best for them, doing the best for them, for a sincere heart, and not based on what they do regarding ourselves.

Loving everyone the same, whether friend or foe, whether easy or difficult . . . be perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect. Which is to say, love with a muture and complete and full love! And so be the children of your Heavenly Father.

Much love!

 

[marks]

It's your favorite word in terms of frequent use.

Again . . . why do you think I enjoy it?

And . . . do you actually think it's my most frequently used word? Seriously?

Much love!