Once Saved Always Saved

[Behold]

I would say the same to you, @Behold.
Your teaching is conducive towards people adopting a theology where they will be deceiving themselves so that the truth is not in them (1 John 1:8); in that you deny indwelling sin in your theology. No doubt you will do it again in response to this post.
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You teach that you have "indwelling sin".
If you have indwelling sin, then you are not yet saved.
God teaches that your "old man" is crucified with Christ.
You are a deceiver, who looks to water and works, and denies that Christ who Saves, Keeps a born again person saved.

 

[Behold]

If I sin willfully, after receiving the knowledge of the truth, the blood of Jesus doesn't any longer wash away any of my sin...but as long as Jesus continues to be Lord of my life, His blood continues to wash away every sin (for example, see John 15:13-14).!

So you are pretending that all your sinning you keep doing and have done, this year, and last, was an ACCIDENT?

You are not honest.

 

[justbyfaith]

you want conditional life, you can have it,

You have conditional life if your faith is nominal, shallow, or lukewarm.

My exhortation to you is this.

Phl 2:12, Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

which means,

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

You are not saved by "retaining faith".

That is false doctrine and heresy.

We have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand (Romans 5:1-2). And we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9).

And therefore, if we lose faith, we lose access to grace; and therefore are no longer saved, in the case, whether it be hypothetical or real, that we lose access to grace because we no longer have faith.

Now I will say that those who have a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14) have an everlasting faith, since they have everlasting life (John 6:47) for that they have been sealed by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5) and therefore the faith that is instilled in them by the Holy Spirit will remain in them for as long as they are sealed.

Those who have a nominal, shallow, or lukewarm faith (mere mental assent to the tenets of the gospel) are not necessarily sealed by the Holy Spirit and do not necessarily have everlasting life.

Therefore this is the exhortation.

Phl 2:12, Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

which means,

2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

You teach that you have "indwelling sin".
If you have indwelling sin, then you are not yet saved.

Scripture?

If you say that you have no (indwelling) sin, you are not saved (you deceive yourself and the truth is not in you)...1 John 1:8.

You are a deceiver,

You have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

And I can prove it. You do not only attempt to deceive others; but you have deceived yourself in that you deny indwelling sin. 1 John 1:8 is clear on that. But you are blind to the plain meaning of what that verse says to you.

2Co 4:3, But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

But I know that none of this will even phase you. For it is written,

2Ti 3:12, Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2Ti 3:13, But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

I know that I seek to live godly in Christ Jesus and that this is evidenced by the reality of this passage. But the fact that you are a seducer is also evidenced by this passage; since you seem to be incapable of repenting of your damnable heresy that Christians do not have indwelling sin.

 

[justbyfaith]

So you are pretending that all your sinning you keep doing and have done, this year, and last, was an ACCIDENT?

You are not honest.

My sinning, at least in this year, has been far and few between.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Where do I proclaim that? I believe that Jesus died for all of my sins; because I don't commit willful sins against the Lord.

So you live a sinless perfect life in thought word and deed! wow!!!! Every single sin is willful. We yield authority to sin in order to commit it!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

When even JESUS warned a church to hold fast and let no MAN take thy crown . Oh yes , if we do not cling
to the truth of Christ and sit under them false prophets and those who preach those other ALL INCLUSIVE false love go spells .
IF we be moved away from the HOPE of the gospel . Yeah we are in dire trouble . However look at the mercy of GOD .
HE warned the churches . He did not just remove them , HE warned and warns first .
We must continue in HIM faithful even unto death .

Crowns are rewards and not salvation. A believer can earn up t seven crowns and he can have them removed! But that is not salvation.
Yes faithful unto death and recieve the crown of life! That is a reward, but not salvation.

YOu imply that God did not forgive all of a persons sins when He trusted in His death and resurrection. Cuz if a person can lose what God is holding for them, then God did not forgive all their sins, and jesus did not grant eternal life, but temporary eternal life. And you are stronger than Jesus, you say you can snatch yourself out of Jesus' hands, but Jesus says NO ONE can snatch someone out of His hands or the Fathers hands.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This is inaccurate summary. The OFFER of salvation is eternal. Some accept it. Some don’t. Some of those that don’t previously accepted it.

Look at it this way. Every year I have a Christmas party and invite everyone. Excepting last year‘s invitation does not mean you are excepting this year’s invitation. Why would anyone reject the OFFER of salvation?

I think the OSAS crowd suppose one and done while disregarding Paul admonition to die to Christ daily.

Well sorry wrangler- Jesus is not inviting us to a party, but He recreated us and placed us in a new Family! Being part of a family is a one and done deal! But we keep inviting for those who have yet to come into the family of God to come in.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So you live a sinless perfect life in thought word and deed! wow!!!!

Wow?!

It’s in your Bible.

Galatians 5:24
...they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Romans 6:6-7
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

But many have been taught false gospels with a false regeneration experience; no wonder these things are unbelievable to them.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Wow?!

It’s in your Bible.

Galatians 5:24
...they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Romans 6:6-7
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

But many have been taught false gospels with a false regeneration experience; no wonder these things are unbelievable to them.

So as not to misunderstand you, are you declaring here you no longer sin and have not for XXX time in either thought, word or deed?

 

[amigo de christo]

What verse says that?

Its where he is speaking of all those anti christs . They came out from among us for they were not of us .
Speaking of that , notice that the Spirit of anti christ was already at work
trying to convince folks there is no need of Christ . rather odd we have us such a huge spirit of anti Christ today .
Trying to convince us that somehow The LOVE of GOD will allow muslims and other religions to remain in their religion
and dont have to repent and believe in Christ . talk about the spirit of anti Christ . And yet
its pumping full force into churches .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

So as not to misunderstand you, are you declaring here you no longer sin

I am declaring unto you the TRUTH of the Bible.

That’s what you should concern yourself with, the truth! Not on me.

You neither know me nor are you in any position to presume how I conduct myself before God.

 

[amigo de christo]

Clean them up but eventually...Kill those filthy hogs!

"Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:
She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table." Prov. 9:1-2

My friend has arrived . I have to admit i dont really understand what this means , clean them up but eventually kill those filthy hogs .
I mean yes if one turns away from JESUS , their end will be the second death . A real simple truth , COME TO JESUS FOR ETERNAL LIFE
CONTINUE IN HIM TO THE END . Now let the LORD be praised my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Crowns are rewards and not salvation. A believer can earn up t seven crowns and he can have them removed! But that is not salvation.
Yes faithful unto death and recieve the crown of life! That is a reward, but not salvation.

YOu imply that God did not forgive all of a persons sins when He trusted in His death and resurrection. Cuz if a person can lose what God is holding for them, then God did not forgive all their sins, and jesus did not grant eternal life, but temporary eternal life. And you are stronger than Jesus, you say you can snatch yourself out of Jesus' hands, but Jesus says NO ONE can snatch someone out of His hands or the Fathers hands.

Most of this is theology and it sounds like it came from Men of OSAS . Let no man take thy crown .
Rather odd that paul mentions ONLY ONE CROWN given by JESUS .

 

[justbyfaith]

I dont THINK that he is , BUT i do see a problem . HE is being wore down cause he always strives with the same ones over and over again .
IF folks wont heed , you cannot make them HEED . We can and should always remind with truth . BUT when i see folks not heeding
i rather move on and go to another thread . You will wear yourself OUT . Only GOD can give the increase .
WE must speak truth but if folks wont heed after a few times . AND NO matter how many scrips you bring
they keep twisting it , Well it then becomes quite pointless and futile .

That appears to be a word of knowledge on your part.

 

[amigo de christo]

That appears to be a word of knowledge on your part.

We must simply continue sounding out every single reminder in that bible .
If folks hear amen , if they reject that is on them . But dont wear yourself out with the same ones who refuse
scripture and instead preach theology of men to justify themselves .

 

[justbyfaith]

So you live a sinless perfect life in thought word and deed! wow!!!! Every single sin is willful. We yield authority to sin in order to commit it!

No; if you dream that you are sinning, for example, you are sinning; however in your dream state you do not have any control over what you are doing because everything is by and through your subconscious mind. That is merely one example. Another is when you are basically attracted to someone who is not your wife. That is sin (Matthew 5:27-28); but it is not necessarily anything that you have any control over.

As Martin Luther said, "You can watch the birds flying over head; just don't let them come and make a nest in your hair!"

And as Job said so clearly,

Job 31:1, I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?

Therefore, in these days, I tend not to even watch the birds fly over head!
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My life is not sinless (see 1 John 1:8) but it may be perfect (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv), Philippians 3:15).

I am not without indwelling sin; but sin dwelling in me can be rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any say over my behaviour (Romans 6:14).

Thus 1 John 3:5-9 can be fulfilled in my life without 1 John 1:8 being violated.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

You are not saved by "retaining faith".
You are saved by God through Faith.
This happens once, as being born again is the Proof that God accepted your faith, and SAVED you.

Once God has saved you, then the Same Who saved you, keeps you saved.

Everybody knows the One who saved you is the One who keeps you saved. We all know you can't save yourself or keep yourself saved. Only God can do that. Where you are going wrong is saying you don't have to keep being a believer for God to keep you saved.

We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first. Hebrews 3:14​

If a person has no faith they are not saved. They do not share in Christ. Period. Like I said, you'd be better off going back to the original osas teaching which says the person who does not continue to believe was never saved to begin with. Your teaching is ridiculous. Unbelievers are not saved people under any circumstances whatsoever.

 

[Wrangler]

He recreated us and placed us in a new Family! Being part of a family is a one and done deal!

Never heard of estranged family members? Although related, you don’t have an actual healthy functioning relationship. See the difference?

 

[Behold]

My sinning, at least in this year, has been far and few between.

Lets me try again, as now you are trying to play a game.

You wrote that if you "willfully sin", again misusing the book of Hebrews that destroyed your understanding of faith;.....that you would go to hell.
Thats what you explained, carefully.
You would be lost, unsaved, if you "willfully sinned".
That is what you said of YOURSELF.
And yet, you sin.
You just said you sinned this year.
So, according to you, unless all your sin was an ACCIDENT, then you are LOST.

So, were all your sins accidents, and not one was on purpose?
Really?

See your choices?
You can lie to us and say that all your sinning is an accident, or you can stand by your deceived theology you just taught that says, that if YOU sin (not by accident) you are going to hell.

Do i need to quote you.
OR maybe you need to go and edit your post and pretend you never wrote what you wrote.
Did you want to try that one?

So....Go ahead an pick one.
Lie to us, and say all your sinning is an accident, or realize that you just damned yourself with your own FOOLISH Theology.

 

[CoreIssue]

I am late to the party but Romans 8 clearly says once saved you can never be taken from the hand of Christ. Every verse used to claim you can lose salvation says coming to the knowledge about salvation, not being saved.