Tongues

[CharismaticLady]

God isn't asking you to, you're hearing from satan.

So like the Pharisees you are calling the tests of God from satan? Have you ever heard of the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Be careful.

 

[teamventure]

So like the Pharisees you are calling the tests of God from satan?

You are calling the works of satan Godly. I rebuke you in Jesus name.

 

[CharismaticLady]

You are calling the works of satan Godly. I rebuke you in Jesus name.

You are calling God satan, I'm not. Shame on you.

 

[CoreIssue]

How do you interpret 1 Corinthians 14:2. It doesn't mesh with your personal theory.

Also biblically, we see in Acts 2 that the "devout" Jews are the only ones who received the supernatural interpretation. They already belonged to God. The mockers were probably Roman Gentiles, and the Spirit wasn't for them...yet.

Christ came in nationally to the Jews first. So it is no shock they were the main ones at Pentecost.

No one was born again until Pentecost

The main scoffers were Judiastic Jews. The Romans considered Christians a Jewish cult.

From Pentecost on the church was considered the time of the Gentiles, not Jews. And the apostles taught Jews and Gentiles were joined together in the body of Christ.

Such as the Centurion were not Jews.

Pentecostalism and Catholicism cannot be found in the Bible.

 

[teamventure]

You are calling God satan, I'm not. Shame on you.

I dont take that shame and I cast it back on you.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Judiastic Jews

Hi CI

What do you believe is the difference in zeal between a "Judiastic" Jew and a "devout" Jew at that time? Neither believed in Christ at that time.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I dont take that shame and I cast it back on you.

You have no authority to cast anything on me. I am a holy woman of God. And you are a lukewarm believer when it suits you and costs you nothing.

Then King David said to Ornan, “No, but I will surely buy it for the full price, for I will not take what is yours for the Lord, nor offer burnt offerings with that which costs me nothing.”

 

[CoreIssue]

Hi CI

What do you believe is the difference in zeal between a "Judiastic" Jew and a "devout" Jew at that time? Neither believed in Christ at that time.

the devout Jews were the first Christians. The Pharisees and Sadducees were the Judiastic clinging to Mosaic law and rejecting Jesus.

 

[Cooper]

I used to go to an Assembly of God church here where I moved to, because there wasn't a Foursquare Gospel in my town. I was from California where I attended The Church On The Way since the 70's. I miss how the Spirit moved there every time the doors were open. Here at the AOG I missed the Spirit. I also noticed some false doctrine regarding sin being preached, so I had to leave.

I believe we must be baptized with the Spirit in order to be born again. And I believe those who believe in Jesus will receive all the authorities of Mark 16:16-18. But I believe the evidence of having been baptized in the Spirit is sinlessness. 1 John 3:9, not the operation of any gift. We have those of Mark 16 whether we know it or not. So us operating them is NOT the evidence. Being free from sin is the evidence.

"Four Square" Elim! My father was an Elim pastor.
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[Cooper]

I saw the following post elsewhere.
Any comments?

Speaking in tongues is only one of the gifts and the least imo. Interpretation is another. There are more important gifts that need to be sought. The acceptance of Christ as Saviour and His indwelling in our heart and life is the first step in our Christian life and growth. Some AOG churches have unfortunately been led astray by the false Toronto blessing. I believe this is the work of the imposter.
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[Cooper]

Some Pentecostals believe that speaking in tongues is a condition for salvation..
I disagree.

Speaking in tongues is not necessary for salvation. A simple childlike faith is all that is required for salvation. However speaking in tongues followed by interpretation is evidence the person has been redeemed.
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[Cooper]

So how come on the day of pentecost some COULD understand the language in their own tongue
and yet many could not understand anything and thought they were babbling drunk .
Tongues is real and it is a heavenly language indeed .
Though do be on guard , i have seen many who claim it , but get up and bark like dogs and walk around on leashes
and play the clown . YEAH that AINT THE SPIRIT at work at all . That is something entirely different . ANOTHER SPIRIT AT WORK .
And not a good one either .

The Toronto blessing where people bark like dogs and fall on the floor reminds me of demon possession. In my opinion it is of the devil.
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[NayborBear]

Speaking in tongues is only one of the gifts and the least imo. Interpretation is another. There are more important gifts that need to be sought. The acceptance of Christ as Saviour and His indwelling in our heart and life is the first step in our Christian life and growth. Some AOG churches have unfortunately been led astray by the false Toronto blessing. I believe this is the work of the imposter.
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Well stated sir! Well started!

 

[Addy]

My record is reliable to me. Each and every morning in my prayer time with God as I get involved in my talks with Him, I always lapse into the prayer language which He gave me for that purpose many years ago. Unreliable? For me it is reliable.

My tongues spoken to God daily for a great many years [first time in 1976] now are not intelligible to Him. But... that is as it should be as they are to communicate with Him.

When a natural baby begins to make noises with his mouth it is babble which has no meaning and so no one understands. As the child grows some of the babble begins to have meaning for him and for a select few very close ones, like the ones he calls out to with formed baby words: ma ma, da da, which in time become mama and daddy. A baby whose growth is stunted may never move beyond babble to a language in which he is able to intelligently converse with his parents.

Similarly when a baby Christian first speaks in a "new tongue [language]" it may be no more than unintelligible babble. Some new believers get lazy or are told they need do nothing else and they do not. They do not continue to use their new language practicing it by talking with God... and babble it remains. Too many baby Christians sitting in pews regularly who have never grown up even though they have been around for many years. Babies all of their lives!

My wife received a different set of gifts from God. She receives messages in unknown tongues and she interprets messages given in unknown tongues. Unlike me, my wife speaks no other human languages but English and a special unknown language God has given her. She received her gift in the year I did, 1976. Unreliable? I would not say so. Does every part of the Body of Christ know everything about all the other parts working in the functions given to them by God? There is only one Head of the Body of Christ and that is not you nor me, but Jesus!

"And he is the head of the body, the church..." Col 1:18

This is absolutely beautiful...

 

[JunChosen]

Paul is describing his contribution to church meetings. No problem there.

I beg to differ. Please re-read and re-study I Co 14, especially verse 6 which is the key verse. When you have understood this verse, you might understand the phenomenon of tongues.

And if you still have not gotten the gist of the mystery and meaning of tongues, I'll gladly expound it for you.

At the meantime, it is best to do your own homework instead of relying on someone else's
teaching. This is the reason why there are so many different denominations in the world because of wrong interpretations!

To God Be The Glory

 

[NayborBear]

Unreliable? I would not say so. Does every part of the Body of Christ know everything about all the other parts working in the functions given to them by God? There is only one Head of the Body of Christ and that is not you nor me, but Jesus!

In the refuting of your claim here?
You should know the other parts of the body, as well as the head RIGHT?
And the head SHOULD know you as well! RIGHT?
I believe so!
Why else would Paul render such a chastisement as this?
1 Corinthians 12
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

We are urged by Paul in "pressing on to the High Calling of God in Christ Jesus!" In Philippians 3:14
As well as: 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
When these "ventures out of one's comfort zone" are not constantly and relentlessly pursued, as are also the attacks of the enemy?
Welp? The sense of self righteousness, or "just enough Jesus is fine by me" is surely soon to follow!
No? It's not easy! But just the same?
1 Peter 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

 

[CharismaticLady]

the devout Jews were the first Christians. The Pharisees and Sadducees were the Judiastic clinging to Mosaic law and rejecting Jesus.

On the Day of Pentecost before they were Christians there were devout Jews visiting Jerusalem from all over for the feasts. I agree they were not Pharisees, members of a Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of both the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity. Those present were humble Jews, and devoted to God in their hearts. Seeing as they already belonged to God, I believe this is why the Holy Spirit used the gift of interpretation of tongues to draw them to the true identity of their Messiah.

 

[CharismaticLady]

"Four Square" Elim! My father was an Elim pastor.
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I had to look up what Elim Pentecostals believed, and yep, that's Foursquare. Do you believe as your father did?

 

[Nancy]

The Bible is very clear, at the beginning of the church some who came to Christ in faith were baptized in water, some spoke in tongues but all receive the Holy Spirit. That is called being born again.

Baptism by water is a sign of baptism in the Holy Spirit, being born again. Tongues are given at need. What Pentecostalism and its branches teach is not to be found in the Bible.

"...some spoke in tongues but all receive the Holy Spirit."

Yes, that's what my bible tells me too and, I've been reading Acts and came upon a scripture I forgot about:

Acts 2:38

38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

What kind of throws me is that, why is tongues the ONLY thing that some choose out of all of the other things written in this scripture:

Mark 16:17-18

17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

I just don't hear about all these things which, I believe were given to those Jesus sent out so as to provide protection to them as they spread the Word to the ends of the earth! Amen! And yes, tongues..."as needed".
The only aspect of "tongues" is the "prayer language"...not solid on that one.

 

[Cooper]

I had to look up what Elim Pentecostals believed, and yep, that's Foursquare. Do you believe as your father did?

Yes.
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