Unity

[Taodeching]

In my real life I have never encountered a lack of unity whichever church I've belonged to. But the forums are rife with it as people choose to argue over suppositions and old chestnuts which get argued about on every so-called Christian forum I've ever been part of. Some people just like to parade the 'cleverness' and 'knowledge' and put the rest of in our place.

Here I must agree, in real life there is no disunity. My Priest is on the town pastors council where they meet, pray for each other, bible study, and break bread together. I think the internet and it's nature of anonymity allows people to say anything and forums can be the worst where some come to fight. From what I have observed from my short time here is the is much disunity on forums but real life is different

 

[Pearl]

Here I must agree, in real life there is no disunity. My Priest is on the town pastors council where they meet, pray for each other, bible study, and break bread together. I think the internet and it's nature of anonymity allows people to say anything and forums can be the worst where some come to fight. From what I have observed from my short time here is the is much disunity on forums but real life is different

Real life is the real thing though and in my town the different churches respect each other and like you said do their best to put their differences aside for the greater good.

 

[Truman]

I bow down and kiss the Son...

 

[Marvelloustime]

Paul , Christ and others gave good and stern reminders of what the last days would look like .
FALLING AWAY , INQUITY SKYROCKETING . Speaking of refining , The church is about to hear
I counsel thee to buy of me GOLD TRIED IN THE FIRE . The lambs are about to get POUNDED in the FIREY IRON FURNACE .
And most all others will simply continue on in the falling away and will be co helpers OF the persecution that is to come against us .
There is no great revival in the last days , only a falling away . Though for sure many will be refined in the coming fiery furnance .
Here is a hint . IF we really wanted revival , THEN ALL WE HAD TO DO was do as the early church had done .
GET UP and preach CHRIST . But instead the churches are being lulled to sleep under a false awakening .
Can you imagine paul telling the church , or peter , or others telling the church SOME big awakening is coming .
NO they were too busy actually getting up and out and preaching JESUS . THEY were not focused on a false dead unity
for world peace . THEY KNEW JESUS and HE had said , DO YE THINK i have COME to bring peace on earth , NAY .
BUT there is another one who is coming , and through THIS PEACE HE shall destroy many . ANTI CHRIST .
WE better return to bibles my friend . cause most our churches are focused on the wrong peace , the wrong unity the wrong love
the wrong direction . IF we want souls saved , GET UP and PREACH JESUS .

This is so true. We are seeing Revelation play out now. Peace and safety they chant, and then sudden destruction will come upon them. All this was predicted in the bible 2000 years ago. We must get back to reading those bibles.

 

[HisLife]

Every believer knows all about the cross. That's not what the church is ill informed about. Living for him is what the church is not educated in. You show that. You'll hate and divide over non-essential doctrines. And you make essential what is not essential. That's exactly what we need to get over.

I notice you and others you hang out with brush the Cross off likes its no Big deal, Its the power of God of Salvation to all men, Its Christ and him crucified, You put it on enduring to the end and getting something at the end if you make it, That's the same as what Rome or Islam teaches, try your best and hope you make it, That's not what the bible says, The Bible says we are not worthy Jesus Had to do it it, he paid it all, the only reason we are made worthy is by the merit of him, Any one that is in heaven will be there by Gods grace and Jesus Righteousness, Satan's alternative is you deserve it you did something for it

 

[HisLife]

This is so true. We are seeing Revelation play out now. Peace and safety they chant, and then sudden destruction will come upon them. All this was predicted in the bible 2000 years ago. We must get back to reading those bibles.

Poor narrowway forum trained lady, if only you could find the peace and freedom found In Jesus you could actually stand on your own two feet, you could go shopping you could walk your dogs etc , Do you know what the Gospel actually Says?

 

[Wynona]

Poor narrowway forum trained lady, if only you could find the peace and freedom found In Jesus you could actually stand on your own two feet, you could go shopping you could walk your dogs etc , Do you know what the Gospel actually Says?

Please, HisLife.

This is so unkind.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

While truth is of the utmost importance, we will never be united
through doctrine, at least not in the foreseeable future.
We must rise above doctrine, and be united in the Spirit.

Precious friend:

(1) Yes, Totally agree with "Truth is of utmost importance," as
God Has "MAGNIFIED His Word Of Truth Above all Else,
Including HIS OWN Holy Name!" (Psalms 138 : 2 KJB!)

This means that "you And I" are at least united on This
One Doctrine, Correct? This should be a Very Good start
on 1 Corinthians 1 : 9-10 KJB, in our "calling Of Fellowship...

...With our LORD And Saviour, JESUS CHRIST," and Also
preventing us from having the carnality that was evident
in the Corinthian assembly of Divided saints, wouldn't you say?

(2) All members of The Body Of CHRIST Are Already
"united In The Spirit," being "seated In Heavenly Places,
In CHRIST." (Ephesians 1 : 3, 1 : 20, 2 : 6 KJB!), Correct?

(3) Seems Ferris Beuller would disagree with "we must rise above
doctrine"? Although his "should have" probably somewhat Clarifies your
"we will never be united in doctrine, at least for the foreseeable future," eh?

No question about it.
We should have, and teach accurate doctrine.

Precious friend, I must {even though we disagree on osas/NOsas]
say: Well said!:

"But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:"
(Titus 2 : 1 KJB!)

Many years ago, a big christian radio host was "calling for christians to
PRAY FOR unity And revival." I sent him an email, agreeing with him, that
prayer WAS Important, but asked him IF prayer was enough, OR, do we
Also Need to obey This Important Command Of God: "Study to shew
thyself Approved Unto God, Rightly Dividing The Word Of Truth."
(2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!)...

...in order to have Unity And revival? But, received no answer. Would
this then be a leadership/TRADITION problem, the listeners not knowing
whether or not "only a half-truth" will bring revival and unity?

So, is it ok to ask this? We all agree that prayer Is Important, But:
Which is More Important? What we have to say to God, or:

What HE Has To Say TO us? Is Rightly Divided study of
"Profitable Doctrine" Of God's Inspired Word Of Truth Important?

If not, then we {"united in The Spirit"} can "rise above doctrine," take the easy
way, and just agree/unite with the liberal ecumenical movement which states:

Let's all just "FORGET our Differences, unite in love, And reach the world!"
Wait! Isn't that UNScriptural, When God Plainly And Clearly Teaches:

"...Be ye Not Unequally YOKED with UNbelievers...Come OUT from
among them, and be ye SEPARATE!..." (2 Corinthians 6 : 14-18 KJB!)
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So, in Conclusion, Now what do we do? I am Certainly united with Most
here who Are Very Concerned, and praying, about this. The top four
"Milk" Doctrines Of God, Causing NO Unity, I believe, are these:

(1) Which Bible version is actually God's Preserved Word Of Truth?

(2) Are we "Saved By GRACE Through faith," or "faith Plus works"?

(3) Is water baptism actually required, for ANY reason, today, Under GRACE?

(4) Does God Have Only one gospel, or TWO, which are being "wrongly
Combined" Causing Massive Confusion, And Severe Division? {NO unity!}

Note: there is one "Meaty Controversy" {rapture} to discuss, but How
can new-born babes In CHRIST get involved in that when they are still
Thoroughly Confused about The Above 4 "Milk" Doctrines?

If we "rise above doctrine," and don't Even Try To discuss these things,
contending for the faith, fighting the battle of spiritual warfare, HOW Is
The Truth Ever going to be "Brought Up"? Is there a better way?

Now you know WHY I am Very Concerned even as Most of you, Correct?
I pray we ALL are trying to do the following!:

"Endeavouring to keep the Unity Of The Spirit In The Bond Of Peace!"
(Ephesians 4 : 3-6 KJB!) Amen?

Precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Blessed!

See you {In Total UNITY!} In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ ↑

 

[Riverwalker]

Does the lack of unity among believers today bother anyone els

Yes it does, all these divisions do not exist for God. There is one Church, one head (Jesus Christ) and one truth (The Bible)

Everything else is the machinations of men. Denominations, theologies, doctrines et al. We do not decide truth, We accept it or reject it. There should be no divisions if We are all following the same Lord, being led by the same Holy Spirt and doing the will of the father

 

[Wynona]

Precious friend:

(1) Yes, Totally agree with "Truth is of utmost importance," as
God Has "MAGNIFIED His Word Of Truth Above all Else,
Including HIS OWN Holy Name!" (Psalms 138 : 2 KJB!)

This means that "you And I" are at least united on This
One Doctrine, Correct? This should be a Very Good start
on 1 Corinthians 1 : 9-10 KJB, in our "calling Of Fellowship...

...With our LORD And Saviour, JESUS CHRIST," and Also
preventing us from having the carnality that was evident
in the Corinthian assembly of Divided saints, wouldn't you say?

(2) All members of The Body Of CHRIST Are Already
"united In The Spirit," being "seated In Heavenly Places,
In CHRIST." (Ephesians 1 : 3, 1 : 20, 2 : 6 KJB!), Correct?

(3) Seems Ferris Beuller would disagree with "we must rise above
doctrine"? Although his "should have" probably somewhat Clarifies your
"we will never be united in doctrine, at least for the foreseeable future," eh?


Precious friend, I must {even though we disagree on osas/NOsas]
say: Well said!:

"But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:"
(Titus 2 : 1 KJB!)

Many years ago, a big christian radio host was "calling for christians to
PRAY FOR unity And revival." I sent him an email, agreeing with him, that
prayer WAS Important, but asked him IF prayer was enough, OR, do we
Also Need to obey This Important Command Of God: "Study to shew
thyself Approved Unto God, Rightly Dividing The Word Of Truth."
(2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!)...

...in order to have Unity And revival? But, received no answer. Would
this then be a leadership/TRADITION problem, the listeners not knowing
whether or not "only a half-truth" will bring revival and unity?

So, is it ok to ask this? We all agree that prayer Is Important, But:
Which is More Important? What we have to say to God, or:

What HE Has To Say TO us? Is Rightly Divided study of
"Profitable Doctrine" Of God's Inspired Word Of Truth Important?

If not, then we {"united in The Spirit"} can "rise above doctrine," take the easy
way, and just agree/unite with the liberal ecumenical movement which states:

Let's all just "FORGET our Differences, unite in love, And reach the world!"
Wait! Isn't that UNScriptural, When God Plainly And Clearly Teaches:

"...Be ye Not Unequally YOKED with UNbelievers...Come OUT from
among them, and be ye SEPARATE!..." (2 Corinthians 6 : 14-18 KJB!)
--------------------------------------
So, in Conclusion, Now what do we do? I am Certainly united with Most
here who Are Very Concerned, and praying, about this. The top four
"Milk" Doctrines Of God, Causing NO Unity, I believe, are these:

(1) Which Bible version is actually God's Preserved Word Of Truth?

(2) Are we "Saved By GRACE Through faith," of "faith Plus works"?

(3) Is water baptism actually required, for ANY reason, today, Under GRACE?

(4) Does God Have Only one gospel, or TWO, which are being "wrongly
Combined" Causing Massive Confusion, And Severe Division? {NO unity!}

Note: there is one "Meaty Controversy" {rapture} to discuss, but How
can new-born babes In CHRIST get involved in that when they are still
Thoroughly Confused about The Above 4 "Milk" Doctrines?

If we "rise above doctrine," and don't Even Try To discuss these things,
contending for the faith, fighting the battle of spiritual warfare, HOW Is
The Truth Ever going to be "Brought Up"? Is there a better way?

Now you know WHY I am Very Concerned even as Most of you, Correct?
I pray we ALL are trying to do the following!:

"Endeavouring to keep the Unity Of The Spirit In The Bond Of Peace!"
(Ephesians 4 : 3-6 KJB!) Amen?

Precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Blessed!

See you {In Total UNITY!} In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ ↑

There is a better way, in my opinion.

Agree to disagree on the answer to these questions but unite in the mission to reach the lost through evangelism, prayer, fasting, compassionate service. and consecration.

What if we simply sought the power of God to accomplish the mission of the church together?

What if we were willing to admit that we are not these 100 percent perfect reflections of biblical doctrine as mere men but we desperately cried out to God in one accord to heal our land??

I believe we could see miracles and Awakening and Revival if we could at least all pray for this together.

Im not trying to be rude but people are going to hell. And without the power of God behind us, its very hard to reach them.

 

[Wynona]

The fact that we can gather online gives us a great opportunity to focus our prayers in one accord.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I notice you and others you hang out with brush the Cross off likes its no Big deal, Its the power of God of Salvation to all men

It’s your type who brush off the cross. You refuse to take it up:

"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." (Matthew 16:24)

Those who have the perverted Once Saved Always Saved cross don’t need to deny themselves.

Its Christ and him crucified, You put it on enduring to the end and getting something at the end if you make it, That's the same as what Rome or Islam teaches

The Bible puts on enduring to the end, not man. But men do IGNORE it...

try your best and hope you make it, That's not what the bible says, The Bible says we are not worthy Jesus Had to do it it, he paid it all

Wow, what a contradiction on your part (you better start reading all of your Bible again):

2 Thessalonians 1:4-5
[4] So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: [5] Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer

Ephesians 4:1
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called

Any one that is in heaven will be there by Gods grace and Jesus Righteousness, Satan's alternative is you deserve it you did something for it

Amazing how you attribute biblical doctrine to Satan. Wow man!

Revelation 17:14
...he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Matthew 20:16
...for many be called, but few chosen.

The modern Christianity needs only to believe and do nothing else, not even stop sinning.

Biblical Christianity says to believe, walk worthy and sin no more.

So much access to the truth and yet people still walk in lies. AMAZING!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Does the lack of unity among believers today bother anyone else?

Is there no way for us to come together, hungry and seeking God, so that revival and an outpouring of the Spirit comes with miracles and healing?

Yes, Very Concerned about lack of unity, as explained to Truman and Ferris above!

Are "Outpouring of miracles and healing" to be prayed for Today, Under GRACE?
Or, Does God Have Something Else, Today, for "HIS Power To Rest on us"?
See # 3 in: A GRACE Word for infirmities

Precious friend, Please Be Very Richly Blessed!!

 

[Wynona]

Are "Outpouring of miracles and healing" to be prayed for Today, Under GRACE?

Yes. I believe healings and miracles are for today as well.

 

[HisLife]

Please, HisLife.

This is so unkind.

I could say Is it unkind to say I was so unkind but It's not unkind when it is their reality and they can't actually do those things just ask them, and they are surrounded by people that will keep them in that bondage, Then its actually trying to help, I think trying to help make someone free is worth the saltiness regardless

 

[Taken]

Wynona -
Hi, welcome to the forum.

Personally, I speak what I believe, and can verify how it is correctly applicable to me according to Scripture.

Disagreements do not bother me. I have no expectation that every person walking the same path is at the same distance of knowledge and understanding.

The different topics, give me pause to examine what people say, and go to the Scripture to verify. Sometimes the topics are things I have not thought about and prompts me to go and read the Scriptures.

I do believe the climate of what is taught and acceptable in some of the Churches today, is pretty distant from Gods intent.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Wynona]

I could say Is it unkind to say I was so unkind but It's not unkind when it is their reality and they can't actually do those things just ask them, and they are surrounded by people that will keep them in that bondage, Then its actually trying to help, I think trying to help make someone free is worth the saltiness regardless

You weren't explaining how she could be free in your post. You didn't provide her a solution.

 

[HisLife]

You weren't explaining how she could be free in your post. You didn't provide her a solution.

They won't talk to me they talk around me, Only they know what I really mean, Let's see if it got to their conscience

 

[Hidden In Him]

I hear many of you saying that there can only be unity in truth. I understand. Thank you

Just reading over this, and actually the above isn't really true. The unity is found through fellowship in the Spirit of God, and especially operation in the spiritual gifts. Through this, unity in doctrine will come. Without this, it never will.

 

[HisLife]

It’s your type who brush off the cross. You refuse to take it up:

"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." (Matthew 16:24)

Those who have the perverted Once Saved Always Saved cross don’t need to deny themselves.

Because you said so with no evidence? Nice start...

The Bible puts on enduring to the end, not man. But men do IGNORE it...

The Bible talks about enduring to the End, You put your salvation on you enduring to the end, Big difference, I put my salvation On The Blood of Jesus, And been born again that is able to make you endure to the end, you need context, you need the Cross but you take the cross out then you just have to endure to the end on your own strength

Wow, what a contradiction on your part (you better start reading all of your Bible again):

2 Thessalonians 1:4-5
[4] So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: [5] Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer

Ephesians 4:1
I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called

You need eyes to see what you are actually reading, We are talking about Salvation it is the Work Of God, You try and take credit for it tho and show verses that are not dealing with slavation,That's why you don't understand the cross, its foolishness to you

Amazing how you attribute biblical doctrine to Satan. Wow man!

Revelation 17:14


...he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Matthew 20:16
...for many be called, but few chosen.

The modern Christianity needs only to believe and do nothing else, not even stop sinning.

Biblical Christianity says to believe, walk worthy and sin no more.

So much access to the truth and yet people still walk in lies. AMAZING!

What a fail. again Jesus said sin no more great advice but it wasn't a requirement for salvation, again you associate something the bible says with being a requirement for salvation that the Bible doesn't say is, How are you made worthy how are you called and chosen and faithful, Christianity is Jesus Christ and Him Crucified, Your religion is made of your own doctrines where you think you can do something to add to it when you cant, real Christians know that we are saved by grace through faith not of works you're just fooling yourself, Christians are made worthy by the Blood of Jesus, let's drop your scripture twisting and accusations, You replaced the Cross With yourself

Satan Will Always Try take glory away From Jesus and What He accomplished at the cross, Its easy to see the ones he uses to do it