The phrase 'Spiritually Dead' is not in the Bible. Where do you get this from?

Ronald Nolette · May 8, 2021

JunChosen said:
The Bible explicitly declares that the "wages of sin is death" and both Adam and Eve knew they sinned by eating off of the tree of "good and evil." After eating of the fruit they realized they were naked and were ashamed and hid themselves, hence God said, "Who told thee that thou wast naked?" Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that shouldest not eat? [in this sense, to be "naked" means to be exposed to sin NOT as you think it means being without clothes]. Besides, what has being without clothes have to do with the command to not eat from the tree of good and evil? IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!!

I was commenting on the fact you equated naked with shame. They were without clothes, sqaw it and became ashamed. that was my point.

JunChosen said:
You can't apply the word "naked" to Isaiah because you are NOT spiritual!

And your arrogance is amazing. I dare to disagree with you on a minor point and immediately you reveal yourself to be the spirituality sheriff for the body of Christ. When did God give you the gift to peer into the soul of an individual and measure whether they are spiritual or not? Is there a school you wen to to become this proud and blinded? Quite a few of youy here that think God has given them what belongs to God alone. Soul insspector is not a gift ministry god gave the church.

I will give you this opportunity to repent of this grave sin of presumptuous arrogance, or we will end all discussion as of the period I put after this sentence.

stunnedbygrace · May 8, 2021

On the day you eat of it, you will surely die.

some say it more accurately reads, dying, you will die.

But they did NOT die on the day they ate of it. In fact, they lived for hundreds of years more than us. So what manner of death did they die on the day they ate of it?

JunChosen · May 8, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
I was commenting on the fact you equated naked with shame. They were without clothes, sqaw it and became ashamed. that was my point.

Again, I repeat: "what has being without clothes have to do with the command to not eat from the tree of good and evil? IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!!

Do you know of any married couple who are ashamed to look at each other nakedly? Shy maybe but NEVER ashamed!

Ronald Nolette said:
And your arrogance is amazing. I dare to disagree with you on a minor point and immediately you reveal yourself to be the spirituality sheriff for the body of Christ. When did God give you the gift to peer into the soul of an individual and measure whether they are spiritual or not? Is there a school you wen to to become this proud and blinded? Quite a few of youy here that think God has given them what belongs to God alone. Soul insspector is not a gift ministry god gave the church.

I was merely speaking about Adam and Eve being naked [exposed] and ashamed [to sin]. After creation God said everything was good but as soon as they disobeyed God sin entered the world, hence their eyes were opened to "good and evil" realizing they became naked and ashamed and hid themselves from God.

Question: "Why did they hide from God if to be naked only means without clothes as you claim?" IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!!

Ronald Nolette said:
I will give you this opportunity to repent of this grave sin of presumptuous arrogance, or we will end all discussion as of the period I put after this sentence.

Now who is being arrogant? I didn't know that being presumption is a grievous sin?

A child of God should be able to teach as well as able to be taught. You are neither so I agree all discussions should be terminated as of the period after this paragraph.

May God give you wisdom.

To God Be The Glory

Ronald Nolette · May 8, 2021

JunChosen said:
Again, I repeat: "what has being without clothes have to do with the command to not eat from the tree of good and evil? IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!!

Do you know of any married couple who are ashamed to look at each other nakedly? Shy maybe but NEVER ashamed!

You brought up them being naked and ashamed, I just copmmented on that particular point and not the command to not eat!

Gen 3. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Maybe you should go back and look at what you have posted.

JunChosen said:
I was merely speaking about Adam and Eve being naked [exposed] and ashamed [to sin]. After creation God said everything was good but as soon as they disobeyed God sin entered the world, hence their eyes were opened to "good and evil" realizing they became naked and ashamed and hid themselves from God.

Question: "Why did they hide from God if to be naked only means without clothes as you claim?" IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!!

Well I do not read the3 invisible words in between the lines as you appear to do! I refer you to the two verses above. they were naked and unashamed. After sin entered, they saqw thewir nakedness and became ashamed of it and made fig leaves for clothes. And hid from God because they had no clothes!

JunChosen said:
Now who is being arrogant? I didn't know that being presumption is a grievous sin?

A child of God should be able to teach as well as able to be taught. You are neither so I agree all discussions should be terminated as of the period after this paragraph.

Well presumptiousness is a sin and judging the salvation of a believer is even a more grievous sin.

Until you opt to repent of your arrognjace, pride and anger- it is useless to talk to you. BYE!!!!

BARNEY BRIGHT · May 8, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
Pharisees of the day were the national leadership of Israel! Saducees controlled the High Priest, the Levites controlled the priesthood, but the Pharisees became the ruling class in Israel under Roman domination.

The Matt/Luke passages were adecision point. Jesus just performed the third and final miracle the Pharisees in their tradition taught only Messiah could do (the 3 being, Healing a man born blind, healing a Jewish leper, and casting the demon out of a deaf and dumb man). this was so well ingrained in much of Jewish culture. that is why when Jesus performed each of these three miracles His numbers grew! And in this case- the people demanded the pharisees acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. As the ruling class of Israel and representative of the nation- they rejected HIm as was prophesied. Jesus pronounced Judgment on the natio0n. It takes a careful reading, but one realizes that the judgment was 70 AD and after the events of Matt. 12, Jesus ended His full open public ministry and no longer taught the people plainly. Matt 13 showed He started His parabolic teaching to hide the truth from the people.

The kingdom promise was removed from that generation of Israel and was given to another generation of Israel. Jesus told that generation that the Pharisees sat in Moses seat (thus represented the authorityof the nation) That is just Bible and actual history. Saducees, Essenes, Zealots, Herodians, Kabbalists are not mentioned in the OT either, but they are also real groups that came and went in Israel. Synagogues were never commanded by god and yet it was during the exile into Babylon when all did not return did the synagogues pop up.

Matt. and Mark speak of the sin of calling the miracles Jesus did by the power of Beelzebub and not the spirit when the people told the pharisees Jesus must be Messiah based on what the Pharisees had been teaching for generations. The Luke passage is a totally different event and warning, or Luke simply condensed things because this was a total Jewish event and Luke's gospel was written primarily for Gentiles. I do not know.

It's obvious you have very little regard who God instituted as the religious leaders of Israel, which was the priestly line of Aaron. You think how things worked out because of Israel unfaithfulness and the Pharisees became the religious leaders that means God recognizes the Pharisees as the religious leaders of Israel. Not true, the Pharisees were a sect, they were not of the priestly line of Aaron, so the Pharisees were not the true religious leaders of Israel. As a religious organization they were disciples of Satan just as Jesus said they were, Satan was their God and Father. The Pharisees were doomed to eternal destruction as a religious organization which happened in 70C.E. after 70C.E the religious organization called Pharisees never existed again.

Butch5 · May 8, 2021

Base12 said:
From Wikipedia:

"The phrase spiritual death is not found in Protestant scriptures, and definitions of the concept thus vary among Protestant Christians."

Spiritual death in Christianity - Wikipedia

I hereby formally submit to the entire Human Race that there is no such thing as 'Spiritual Death'.

Furthermore, any teachings on said phrase should be regarded as Heresy and rejected.

You have just been put on notice.

Prove me wrong.

That's correct. There is no such thing as spiritual death. At least as it would pertain to people.

JunChosen · May 8, 2021

stunnedbygrace said:
On the day you eat of it, you will surely die.

some say it more accurately reads, dying, you will die.

But they did NOT die on the day they ate of it. In fact, they lived for hundreds of years more than us. So what manner of death did they die on the day they ate of it?

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

As long as Adam obeyed God he was able to live eternally because he was given the breath of live, but he disobeyed and became subject to death.

But God in His love and grace wanted to have a people for Himself so in eternity past He elected and predestinated some to salvation, however; God payed a tremendous price by sending His Son to die on the cross to redeem all those whom He elected and predestined to salvation.

One day in the future, all of mankind will be resurrected, some to be judged and destroyed, and others to live with God forevermore. HOWEVER THE TIMING OF THIS EVENT IS IRRELEVANT.

To God Be The Glory

kcnalp · May 8, 2021

JunChosen said:
One day in the future, all of mankind will be resurrected, some to be judged and destroyed, and others to live with God forevermore.

They will certainly wish they were "destroyed"!

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

stunnedbygrace · May 9, 2021

JunChosen said:
As long as Adam obeyed God he was able to live eternally because he was given the breath of live, but he disobeyed and became subject to death.

That sounds good, but can you think of a way to fit in the tree they had not eaten from yet?

kcnalp · May 9, 2021

JunChosen said:
One day in the future, all of mankind will be resurrected, some to be judged and destroyed,

That's JW doctrine.

Ronald Nolette · May 9, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
It's obvious you have very little regard who God instituted as the religious leaders of Israel, which was the priestly line of Aaron. You think how things worked out because of Israel unfaithfulness and the Pharisees became the religious leaders that means God recognizes the Pharisees as the religious leaders of Israel. Not true, the Pharisees were a sect, they were not of the priestly line of Aaron, so the Pharisees were not the true religious leaders of Israel. As a religious organization they were disciples of Satan just as Jesus said they were, Satan was their God and Father. The Pharisees were doomed to eternal destruction as a religious organization which happened in 70C.E. after 70C.E the religious organization called Pharisees never existed again.

I have high regard for the Lord. Seem,s that god in human flesh also recognized their leadership:

Matthew 23:1-3
King James Version

23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

BARNEY BRIGHT · May 10, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
I have high regard for the Lord. Seem,s that god in human flesh also recognized their leadership:

Matthew 23:1-3
King James Version

23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Jesus knew that the priestly line of Aaron were the religious leaders God installed. Jesus said what he said about the Pharisees because the Pharisees had put themselves in Moses seat. That doesn't mean they belonged there but they had put themselves there. The Pharisees clearly were not of the line of Aaron. The priestly line of Aaron belonged in Moses seat. Had things become corrupt by the time Jesus said what he said about the Pharisees sit in Moses seat, yes. That doesn't mean Jesus agreed or approved of the corruption. The Pharisees didn't belong there sitting in Moses seat but because of the corruption of Jesus day the people allowed the Pharisees to be in that authority of Moses seat. The Pharisees quoted the law covenant accurately but didn't practice what they quoted, so Jesus said what he said. The oral law of the Pharisees was what was important to the Pharisees. The Pharisees felt the oral law of more importance than the law covenant and the temple itself.

kcnalp · May 10, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
Jesus knew that the priestly line of Aaron were the religious leaders God installed. Jesus said what he said about the Pharisees because the Pharisees had put themselves in Moses seat. That doesn't mean they belonged there but they had put themselves there. The Pharisees clearly were not of the line of Aaron. The priestly line of Aaron belonged in Moses seat. Had things become corrupt by the time Jesus said what he said about the Pharisees sit in Moses seat, yes. That doesn't mean Jesus agreed or approved of the corruption. The Pharisees didn't belong there sitting in Moses seat but because of the corruption of Jesus day the people allowed the Pharisees to be in that authority of Moses seat. The Pharisees quoted the law covenant accurately but didn't practice what they quoted, so Jesus said what he said. The oral law of the Pharisees was what was important to the Pharisees. The Pharisees felt the oral law of more importance than the law covenant and the temple itself.

Do you fear God or do you fear Kingdom Hall?

BARNEY BRIGHT · May 11, 2021

kcnalp said:
Do you fear God or do you fear Kingdom Hall?

The Pharisees, were the religious traditionalists, thought salvation was only through keeping the traditions or so-called oral law. They looked forward to the coming of the Messiah in their own way.

The Pharisees were tradition-lovers, so we are not surprised that they were the ones who complained to Jesus about his disciples: “They do not wash their hands when about to eat a meal.” The complaint was not lodged on sanitary grounds, but in defense of the traditions, which Jesus said “made the word of God invalid.” (Matt. 15:1-6; Mark 7:1-8)

kcnalp · May 11, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
The Pharisees, were the religious traditionalists, thought salvation was only through keeping the traditions or so-called oral law. They looked forward to the coming of the Messiah in their own way.

The Pharisees were tradition-lovers, so we are not surprised that they were the ones who complained to Jesus about his disciples: “They do not wash their hands when about to eat a meal.” The complaint was not lodged on sanitary grounds, but in defense of the traditions, which Jesus said “made the word of God invalid.” (Matt. 15:1-6; Mark 7:1-8)

Did Kingdom Hall tell you to avoid difficult questions?

"Do you fear God or do you fear Kingdom Hall?"

Ronald Nolette · May 11, 2021

BARNEY BRIGHT said:
Jesus knew that the priestly line of Aaron were the religious leaders God installed. Jesus said what he said about the Pharisees because the Pharisees had put themselves in Moses seat. That doesn't mean they belonged there but they had put themselves there. The Pharisees clearly were not of the line of Aaron. The priestly line of Aaron belonged in Moses seat. Had things become corrupt by the time Jesus said what he said about the Pharisees sit in Moses seat, yes. That doesn't mean Jesus agreed or approved of the corruption. The Pharisees didn't belong there sitting in Moses seat but because of the corruption of Jesus day the people allowed the Pharisees to be in that authority of Moses seat. The Pharisees quoted the law covenant accurately but didn't practice what they quoted, so Jesus said what he said. The oral law of the Pharisees was what was important to the Pharisees. The Pharisees felt the oral law of more importance than the law covenant and the temple itself.

You need to go back and read OT history. The Levites were put in charge of temple offerings and the high priest was still over temple law. Now at the time of Jesus high priests were appointed by Rome or Herod.

but you also forget that in the time of Moses judges and rulers were set up within each tribal land to oversee matters. this is where the seeds of the Pharisees and Saducees and Herodians came from.

You make l;ots of suppositions that simply are not found in the bible. You may be right or you may be wrong, but you cannot prove it ewither way. You are just guessing based on what the WT has taught you.

robert derrick · May 11, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
Pharisees of the day were the national leadership of Israel! Saducees controlled the High Priest, the Levites controlled the priesthood, but the Pharisees became the ruling class in Israel under Roman domination.

The Matt/Luke passages were adecision point. Jesus just performed the third and final miracle the Pharisees in their tradition taught only Messiah could do (the 3 being, Healing a man born blind, healing a Jewish leper, and casting the demon out of a deaf and dumb man). this was so well ingrained in much of Jewish culture. that is why when Jesus performed each of these three miracles His numbers grew! And in this case- the people demanded the pharisees acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. As the ruling class of Israel and representative of the nation- they rejected HIm as was prophesied. Jesus pronounced Judgment on the natio0n. It takes a careful reading, but one realizes that the judgment was 70 AD and after the events of Matt. 12, Jesus ended His full open public ministry and no longer taught the people plainly. Matt 13 showed He started His parabolic teaching to hide the truth from the people.

The kingdom promise was removed from that generation of Israel and was given to another generation of Israel. Jesus told that generation that the Pharisees sat in Moses seat (thus represented the authorityof the nation) That is just Bible and actual history. Saducees, Essenes, Zealots, Herodians, Kabbalists are not mentioned in the OT either, but they are also real groups that came and went in Israel. Synagogues were never commanded by god and yet it was during the exile into Babylon when all did not return did the synagogues pop up.

Matt. and Mark speak of the sin of calling the miracles Jesus did by the power of Beelzebub and not the spirit when the people told the pharisees Jesus must be Messiah based on what the Pharisees had been teaching for generations. The Luke passage is a totally different event and warning, or Luke simply condensed things because this was a total Jewish event and Luke's gospel was written primarily for Gentiles. I do not know.

Interesting.

I was taught that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is when someone and anyone labels the true working of God by His Spirit in the name of Jesus, to be of the devil. It is the outward proof of inward reprobation. God has given them over to a reprobate mind. (Rom 1)

However, I am not so sure anymore that once the blasphemy is committed, that they can never repent. Jesus said that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. (Matthew 12) And John said there is a sin unto death (I John 5).

Therefore, any sin can potentially be unto death, so long as the heart remains hardened in the sin and refuses to confess and repent.

You speak of national Israel was judged of this blasphemy, because the leadership over the nation rejected Him. Yet, not all, because Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea come to mind.

And if any natural Israelite today repents and abides not in unbelief, then that one can be grafted in again to the natural tree of God. (Rom 11)

I'd like to hear more of your point in detail...

Ronald Nolette · May 11, 2021

robert derrick said:
Interesting.

I was taught that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is when someone and anyone labels the true working of God by His Spirit in the name of Jesus, to be of the devil. It is the outward proof of inward reprobation. God has given them over to a reprobate mind. (Rom 1)

However, I am not so sure anymore that once the blasphemy is committed, that they can never repent. Jesus said that blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. (Matthew 12) And John said there is a sin unto death (I John 5).

Therefore, any sin can potentially be unto death, so long as the heart remains hardened in the sin and refuses to confess and repent.

You speak of national Israel was judged of this blasphemy, because the leadership over the nation rejected Him. Yet, not all, because Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea come to mind.

And if any natural Israelite today repents and abides not in unbelief, then that one can be grafted in again to the natural tree of God. (Rom 11)

I'd like to hear more of your point in detail...

Yes any sin can lead to death, but that is physical and not spiritual death. Once a person becomes a believer, they are a new creature and can never persih.

It is a national and not individual sin. Individuals could still recieve Christ and be saved, but the judgment against the nation was set and could not be withdrawn.

Luke 21:
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

If you notice , it is not until after the Pharisees said Jesus was possessed that His entire ministry changed. Before the unpardonable sijn, Jesus did miracles openly and without even being asked. After it was individually and only by faith.

He began teaching the crowds in parables to hide the truth from them (Matt. 13).

He went from publicly declaring the kingdom of God, to more preparing the apostles to begin the church.

Jesus had absolutely proved HIs messiahship to the pharisees. Not only through the Scriptures and public miracles, but also He performed the three miracles that traditionally had been taught that only Messiah when He comes could do (healing of a man born blind, healing of a Jewish leper, exorcising a demon from a deaf, dumb man), so when the people asked in Matt. 12, they fully expected the Pharisees to say "Yes, Jesus is the Messiah!". Remember the kingdom was being offered as well as personal salvation. so when the leadership rejected Jesus He withdrew the kingdom from that generation of Israel and said He would give it to another generation ( Israel at the end of the trib- or the millenial kingdom)

Hope this helps.

robert derrick · May 11, 2021

Ronald Nolette said:
Yes any sin can lead to death, but that is physical and not spiritual death. Once a person becomes a believer, they are a new creature and can never persih.

It is a national and not individual sin. Individuals could still recieve Christ and be saved, but the judgment against the nation was set and could not be withdrawn.

Luke 21:
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

If you notice , it is not until after the Pharisees said Jesus was possessed that His entire ministry changed. Before the unpardonable sijn, Jesus did miracles openly and without even being asked. After it was individually and only by faith.

He began teaching the crowds in parables to hide the truth from them (Matt. 13).

He went from publicly declaring the kingdom of God, to more preparing the apostles to begin the church.

Jesus had absolutely proved HIs messiahship to the pharisees. Not only through the Scriptures and public miracles, but also He performed the three miracles that traditionally had been taught that only Messiah when He comes could do (healing of a man born blind, healing of a Jewish leper, exorcising a demon from a deaf, dumb man), so when the people asked in Matt. 12, they fully expected the Pharisees to say "Yes, Jesus is the Messiah!". Remember the kingdom was being offered as well as personal salvation. so when the leadership rejected Jesus He withdrew the kingdom from that generation of Israel and said He would give it to another generation ( Israel at the end of the trib- or the millenial kingdom)

Hope this helps.

Yes, because it does confirm a conclusion I have been coming to about the 'nation of Israel'.

I think I see in your post, that you believe the Lord will once again for the last time, turn to national Israel to give them one last chance to repent as a nation? Which they failed to do the First time Jesus' came?

Amazed@grace · May 11, 2021

Base12 said:
Did you know that Air is mostly Nitrogen?

Nitrogen is what the letters (Nitrogenous Bases) of our DNA is made of. The Prince of the Power of the Nucleobases is Satan.

Satan was transformed into RNA in the Garden of Eden...

Genesis 3:14
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"

I will clarify.

Satan was turned into the Seed of the Serpent from which you and I and every one else came from...

The Serpent is the Phallus. The Serpent Seed is what is in the loins of every Man on the planet. We call it Sperm...

The Phallus casts a 'flood' out of its mouth after the Woman...

Revelation 12:15
"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood."

Understand?

Waters...

Mother Earth swallows his load...

Revelation 12:16
"And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."

Sorry I have to be so blunt, but that is what is being depicted in Revelation. You have no idea how angry I am at the Church for keeping this information hidden from Christians.

Anyhow, the Moon represents the Ovum.

Satan is the Anointed Cherub that Covereth...

Ezekiel 28:14
"Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire."

What does Satan cover? US!!!

Our 'covering' is the DNA of Mystery Babylon (Mom) and Satan (Dad).

The Stones of Fire are the Phosphorus backbones of DNA.

The Seat of Satan is the Rod of Asclepius... aka... RNA...

Satan is trying to corrupt the Moon Ovum... aka... HER SEED. Sarah's Seed.

Bottom line?

We are in a terrible situation that is only getting worse. Without the Blood of Jesus, we would be so utterly hopeless it boggles the mind to even think about it.

The Church needs to quit screwing around and tell people the Truth. Time is running out.

Interesting. That goes along with the idea the serpent wasn't Satan.

The CI movement says that in the garden the fruit of knowledge consumed by Eve was the seed of Satan. And then Adam partook of the fruit Eve offered him. Meaning Eve sexed both the serpent and Adam and conceived twins, Cain and Abel.
Cain being the seed of Satan.
And from whence Cainanite's sprang.

Anyway, great post.

The phrase 'Spiritually Dead' is not in the Bible. Where do you get this from?

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