The phrase 'Spiritually Dead' is not in the Bible. Where do you get this from?

[Base12]

However, I do like your suggestion of Jesus 'descending' into Mary's womb.

Speaking of the Womb.

That is where your previously dead Soul was 'quickened' and made alive again...

Psalms 71:20
"Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth."

Quicken again?

How can One be Born Again twice?

Bring me up again?

Depths of the Earth?

BTW, the 'Heart of the Earth' is the Most Holy Place of the Tabernacle. Jesus went to the Heart of the Earth to sprinkle the Blood...

Matthew 12:40
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Your Zygote was the Temple formed in the Belly of Hell...

Jonah 2:2
"And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice."

 

[Base12]

Do you not believe that everyone who does not have the spirit of God is spiritually dead?

They are Twice Dead, meaning...

• Their previous state (Past Life)
• Their current FATE
• Their future state (Lake of Fire)

It is an endless cycle for some unfortunately...

 

[Base12]

...according to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit now working in the disobedient.

Did you know that Air is mostly Nitrogen?

Nitrogen is what the letters (Nitrogenous Bases) of our DNA is made of. The Prince of the Power of the Nucleobases is Satan.

Satan was transformed into RNA in the Garden of Eden...

Genesis 3:14
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"

I will clarify.

Satan was turned into the Seed of the Serpent from which you and I and every one else came from...

The Serpent is the Phallus. The Serpent Seed is what is in the loins of every Man on the planet. We call it Sperm...

The Phallus casts a 'flood' out of its mouth after the Woman...

Revelation 12:15
"And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood."

Understand?

Waters...

Mother Earth swallows his load...

Revelation 12:16
"And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."

Sorry I have to be so blunt, but that is what is being depicted in Revelation. You have no idea how angry I am at the Church for keeping this information hidden from Christians.

Anyhow, the Moon represents the Ovum.

Satan is the Anointed Cherub that Covereth...

Ezekiel 28:14
"Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire."

What does Satan cover? US!!!

Our 'covering' is the DNA of Mystery Babylon (Mom) and Satan (Dad).

The Stones of Fire are the Phosphorus backbones of DNA.

The Seat of Satan is the Rod of Asclepius... aka... RNA...

Satan is trying to corrupt the Moon Ovum... aka... HER SEED. Sarah's Seed.

Bottom line?

We are in a terrible situation that is only getting worse. Without the Blood of Jesus, we would be so utterly hopeless it boggles the mind to even think about it.

The Church needs to quit screwing around and tell people the Truth. Time is running out.

 

[Base12]

I will now take a break and post more tomorrow.

Excellent debating everyone!!!

God bless.

 

[robert derrick]

The concept of a "spiritual state" is also not found in the New Testament. It is more of a New Age mysticism concept. The Scripture says that the just shall live by faith. When we are saved and filled with the Spirit, we are not lifted up into some higher "spiritual state". In fact, our natural state remains unchanged.

Yes, we are given a new heart, and our spirit is indwelled by the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit who makes Christ real to us and gives us wisdom, discernment and insight into the Scriptures.

Before conversion to Christ, we were dead in our trespasses and sins, and conversion brought the filling and indwelling of the Holy Spirit. We are not made "spiritually alive" in ourselves. It is the life of the Holy Spirit within us that has made us alive to God.

So there is no such thing as a "spiritual state" for a Christian believer. Either a person is in Christ or not. All those who are in Christ live by faith in the finished work of Christ on the Cross. There is strong and weak faith depending on how much trust a person puts in God's promises in the Scripture.

But seeking for a higher "spiritual state" is departing from faith in God's Word to New Age occult mysticism and therefore Christ has no further value for him. His faith is no longer in Christ, but in himself and some kind of sensory perception that he has entered into some higher realm of spirituality, above the common herd of believers.

Now that is well said. I can literally hear the reasoning you have in the Scriptures. Good to my ears. Totally agree. We can be filled with the Spirit and filled with spiritual comfort, certainty, insight, etc...and bear fruit of the Spirit in our lives.

But we are full of it, when we begin to think of ourselves too highly. This suggest to me something new about spiritual wickedness in high places. The Prince and power of the air begins to infest our minds with a perceived state of higher consciousness or status of being, to the point where we do take the leap from the pinnacle of the temple, thinking the very angels in the air are at our disposal.

We think we are the pinnacle of spirituality. And so the 'rules' don't apply to us, as though the resurrection has past, we have arrived, and whatever I desire to do, so do I. It is a wickedly spiritual deceptiveness that could make someone think they had even changed in a moment from mortal to immortal in their present bodies. And add in some will worship by strict dieting, austere disciplines, etc...and even our bodies appear 'divine'.

We literally believe we have becomes as gods, as one of them on earth with full access to the tree of life. We go from worshipping God by faith in Jesus and the comfort of His Spirit and the Scriptures, to a full blown cult anarchist that worships his own will and power in life, with plenty of smiles and Zen-type serenity, who speaks less and less of Jesus, and more and more of self.

Thanks much. I needed that. I thought I was there the other day, but I guess it was just the ice cold beer on a really hot day.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Now that is well said. I can literally hear the reasoning you have in the Scriptures. Good to my ears. Totally agree. We can be filled with the Spirit and filled with spiritual comfort, certainty, insight, etc...and bear fruit of the Spirit in our lives.

But we are full of it, when we begin to think of ourselves too highly. This suggest to me something new about spiritual wickedness in high places. The Prince and power of the air begins to infest our minds with a perceived state of higher consciousness or status of being, to the point where we do take the leap from the pinnacle of the temple, thinking the very angels in the air are at our disposal.

We think we are the pinnacle of spirituality. And so the 'rules' don't apply to us, as though the resurrection has past, we have arrived, and whatever I desire to do, so do I. It is a wickedly spiritual deceptiveness that could make someone think they had even changed in a moment from mortal to immortal in their present bodies. And add in some will worship by strict dieting, austere disciplines, etc...and even our bodies appear 'divine'.

We literally believe we have becomes as gods, as one of them on earth with full access to the tree of life. We go from worshipping God by faith in Jesus and the comfort of His Spirit and the Scriptures, to a full blown cult anarchist that worships his own will and power in life, with plenty of smiles and Zen-type serenity, who speaks less and less of Jesus, and more and more of self.

Thanks much. I needed that. I thought I was there the other day, but I guess it was just the ice cold beer on a really hot day.

The best state that we can be in with the Lord is to have the peace of God that passes all understanding keeping our hearts and minds in Christ, and having a clear conscience toward God. It is the best state of Christian contentment that we can have. Paul had it when he said that he was content whatever state he was in.

 

[mailmandan]

Hi @kcnalp

Good point. I would interpret the word 'dead' in the above verse as being 'Twice Dead'.

In other words, said Woman exists in a pre-determined state that guarantees she will experience the Second Death (Lake of Fire).

I would say that ALL of Mankind exists in that pre-determined state until we become Saved.

Yes and a tree being dead to the core as such a tree was utterly incapable of producing good fruit then being uprooted is twice dead.
The NASB reads "doubly dead."

 

[Base12]

This just in from the Holy Ghost!

1 Corinthians 15:36
"Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die"

Only something that is Physically Dead, not Spiritually Dead, can be quickened.

Uh oh...

Ephesians 2:1
"And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins"

According to the above verse, we used to have another body. It died and decayed away. Yet, here we are. In other words, "Was, is not, yet is".

What say you?

Is this a contradiction, or does the word 'quicken' mean different things at different times?

Then there is this...

Psalms 71:20
"Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth."

Were they 'Once Saved' but later lost their Salvation, only to gain it back again? Is OSAS Fake News?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Jude 1:12
"These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;"

These are the ungodly damned. >>>Twice dead means they physically died and spiritually died!

Matthew 23:15
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."

Jesus was angry and condemned the Pharisees on the spot. He called them brood of vipers and white-washed tombs who would go out and instead of leading people to God, led them further away.
What is a Child of Hell? You don't seem to know what Hell is, your confused.
First, Hades is not Hell, it is more like an dungeon, in the underworld, a place of darkness, a place where the unbelieving dead await their final judgment - to be thrown into the Lake of Fire (Hell) and destroyed. Hades and Death will someday be thrown into the Lake of Fire and destroyed (Rev. 20:14). Gehenna was an actually perpetual burning dump for dead and diseased animals outside of Jerusalem. So the Gehenna can give us an idea of what the Lake of Fire will be like, but it will be much worse. I really think that scene in the Lord of the Rings, when Gollum fell into the Lava lake and was destroyed is a better idea of what Hell will be like. As paper burns and is destroyed, so shall they be.
Child of Hell, is someone who will go there in the future.
We are all adopted children of God, not everyone is a child of God. So some are already appointed as children of Hell. God knows who they are, we don't. But by their fruit you will know them.

Ephesians 4:1
"I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,"

We are either slaves to Satan or slaves to God. Servant sounds better. We were bought with a price out of slavery to sin.

Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

Right! This is just how omniscience works. God knows the future before it happens. Time is a physical dimension and so He dwells and operates outside of our time domain. He Knows you before you were born because it was in His mind, it was in His plans, all of us, the entire history of mankind, in his mind before Creation. We cannot comprehend this, it's too much, but we believe, for how else could prophecy be fulfilled, how else could the end be written if it were not known, how else could we all have been written in the Book of Life before we existed?

1 Peter 3:19
"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison"
1 Peter 3:20
"Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Jesus took all those in one area of Hades ( those who lived by faith from Abrahams to Christ) to Heaven and then proclaimed victory to those evil spirits - "Here's a slam dunk -- in your face!"
This is a mysterious verse, I think the jury is still out on this one. However, "preached" can mean proclaimed and this not necessarily the gospel. Evil spirits were locked up in Hades, but a particular section of Hades, the Abysss/Bottomless Pit. He proclaimed to them victory.
A study to look at: 1 Peter 3:19-22 (part 1) - "The Heavenly Preacher" - Bill Baldwin

 

[GRACE ambassador]

spiritually dead?...
Were they 'Once Saved' but later lost their Salvation, only to gain it back again? Is OSAS Fake News?

Precious friend(s), the words "spiritually dead, Bible, Trinity, rapture, and,
osas," are NOT found in God's Word, But, the Concepts Are Found?:

New concept? = "spiritually alive, spiritually dead, spiritually alive Again"? =
"yo-yo salvation"?? = "Christ knew you, Christ does NOT know you,
Christ RE-knows you, etc, etc, etc..."??? = NOT found In God's HOLY Word, But:

"God Has ALWAYS "KNOWN those who Are HIS OWN!"
(2 Timothy 2 : 19; Ephesians 1 : 4-6 KJB!) Amen?
+
God HAS "NEVER Known those who Are NOT HIS OWN!"
(Matthew 7 : 21-23 KJB!) Amen?

So, osas "TRUE News" FOR The Body Of CHRIST, is found here:
58 Biblical Facts FOR God's Eternal Salvation!

!?See you in God’s Great GloryLand! ↑ ♫

 

[Ronald Nolette]

From Wikipedia:

"The phrase spiritual death is not found in Protestant scriptures, and definitions of the concept thus vary among Protestant Christians."

Spiritual death in Christianity - Wikipedia

I hereby formally submit to the entire Human Race that there is no such thing as 'Spiritual Death'.

Furthermore, any teachings on said phrase should be regarded as Heresy and rejected.

You have just been put on notice.

Prove me wrong.

Phrase isn't, but the truth is!

Ephesians 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

also spiritual death as a state of being is found in the account of Lazarus and the Rich man and also from Rev. 20 where people spend eternity in thte lake of fire in a place of spiritual death.

 

[robert derrick]

This just in from the Holy Ghost!

1 Corinthians 15:36
"Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die"

Only something that is Physically Dead, not Spiritually Dead, can be quickened.

Uh oh...

Ephesians 2:1
"And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins"

According to the above verse, we used to have another body. It died and decayed away. Yet, here we are. In other words, "Was, is not, yet is".

What say you?

Is this a contradiction, or does the word 'quicken' mean different things at different times?

Then there is this...

Psalms 71:20
"Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth."

Were they 'Once Saved' but later lost their Salvation, only to gain it back again? Is OSAS Fake News?

"According to the above verse, we used to have another body. It died and decayed away"

That would normally be our old man and body of sin crucified with Christ on the cross. Past life of sin before faith in Jesus, dying and decaying away on the cross. (They didn't die like a bullet to the head on the cross) So, you're reincarnate version isn't necessarily so.

David speaking of going down in the depths of despair (Absalom rebellion) after having been raised up King, but as a foreshadow of God's quickened salvation, by faith he trusts he will be raised up again to his former state as King over all Israel.

Once save always saved is a wishful myth, and 'once departing from the faith to be restored again' is a myth.

We can kill the faith of Jesus in our hearts by open flaunting of transgressions without repentance nor godly sorrow, and once we are again dead to the faith, i.e. our faith is dead (James 2), our old man revives, and we crucify Jesus afresh (Heb 6), then we become as dead weight on the true Vine and fall away of our own accord, fit only now for being caste away to the fire by men and angels...(John 15)

So, in one single lifespan, we begin as dead to the Spirit of God, and then by faith of Jesus, we are quickened and made alive, born again, in Him. Then by transgression without repentance, we are dead again to the Spirit of God taken from our hearts (Ps 51), where there is no more faith. And then only a certain fearful looking for of judgment (Heb 10).

Born in the world, dead to God, born again in the world alive to God, dead to God again in the world unto the grave.

Twice dead in the world, destined for destruction.

Once again, your version for reincarnation is not proven, because the standard version is not only possible, but fairly accurate and reasonable. I.e. we don't have to go to reincarnation to account for the mystery of God and His church on earth contained in the Scriptures...

But I do like your style of interpretation that shows a good level of intelligent reading, even if I don't agree with your, uh, unique conclusions.

 

[rockytopva]

I believe the seven churches were birthed in ages...

Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry

Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4

I believe the Sardis congregation thought they had arrived... But....

I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. - Revelation 3:1

Martin Luther thought he had arrived but it is said in the following study, “But behind his undeniable genius was a gritty nastiness. He could be crude, abusive, angry, and, perhaps most tragically, profoundly anti-Semitic—a legacy that needs to be grappled with, even 500 years later.” - The Reformation at 500: Grappling with Martin Luther's anti-Semitic legacy - Macleans.ca

 

[Grailhunter]

You are definitely asking the important questions. I appreciate it.

Who are the Captives? Let us look at the first verse of the chapter for context...

Ephesians 4:1
"I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,"

*We* are the captives! It is not just Christians but the entire Human Race that is being held captive. Jesus is leading us out of here.

Now, the verse states that Jesus gave the gifts of Apostles, Prophets, etc. So how did Jesus give these gifts? To grown adults?

No. He gave those gifts by going into the Lower Parts of the Earth...

Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

Thus, Lower/Lowest Parts of the Earth has more than one meaning. It could be the Womb of Mary, yet it could also mean other Mothers in which Jesus visited the Spirits in Prison in their Wombs to give gifts and preach...

1 Peter 3:19
"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison"

The Spirits in Prison are the Unsaved that are about to be Born Again into this world, thus Jesus needed to prepare them.

They were 'Children of Disobedience' like we were in 'Time Past' or Past Life...

1 Peter 3:20
"Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."



Where was your bed when you were seven months old? I'm talking about *before* you were born?

Here was your bed...

Who was there preaching to you? Jesus was.

So yes, I believe that Torments is real as in the Rich Man and Lazarus. The Rich Man was 'repurposed' back on Earth, while Lazarus went to Heaven.

One could say they were the same person living two different lives at the same time, but I do not wish to blow anyone's minds with that concept just yet... lol.

Love! love! love! the picture....Thanks!

 

[Curtis]

I believe we are Tripartite Beings...

• Body
• Soul
• Spirit

We know what Body is. It is our flesh.

Spirit is the Electromagnetism that 'quickens' and powers Life.

Our Soul however, is our GENOME. Our Soul contains the Genetic Information (A,C,G,T) that is necessary to create the Body. It survives Death.

Soul is Feminine BTW...

Psalms 34:2
"My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad."

That is what gets married to Jesus. Our Genome merges with his.

Anyhow, a Living Soul can mean a Soul that is made alive by the Spirit, yet has no 'Tabernacle' Body yet.

We will exist in that state once our Bodies pass away. We will be Soul and Spirit only until we receive our Glorified Body.

Long story short, Adam and his Wife were Soul and Spirit (Living Soul). They were given choices as to which parents they would like to incarnate from.

They chose Mystery Babylon (Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil) as Mom, and Satan (The Serpent) as Father.

The Forbidden Fruit was the Zygote they were conceived of.

Mystery Babylon and Satan are who we have as Earthly Parents!

Acts 13:10
"And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?"

^^^
That is LITERAL people.

There is no such thing as reincarnation.

If people can reach perfection on their own through multiple incarnations, then Jesus is redundant and His death on the cross to save us, was unnecessary and irrelevant.

Scripture says we are born ONCE and are then judged for what they did in that one life.

There are unfortunately no second chances, this life is our one chance to get saved by receiving Jesus as our savior.

 

[Curtis]

Thanks Curtis.

Let us review the first verse...

Ephesians 2:1
"And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins"

I believe the word 'dead' is a literal, previous physical death. Why?

The Key is understanding the word Quickened...

1 Corinthians 15:36
"Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die"

In order for something to be quickened, it must physically die first.

If you and I were quickened, then it means we had a past life. We died. We came back, just like the Seed analogy.

Again, quickening is reserved for bringing dead flesh back to life...

1 Peter 3:18
"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit"

Completely wrong.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

From Wikipedia:

"The phrase spiritual death is not found in Protestant scriptures, and definitions of the concept thus vary among Protestant Christians."

Spiritual death in Christianity - Wikipedia

I hereby formally submit to the entire Human Race that there is no such thing as 'Spiritual Death'.

Furthermore, any teachings on said phrase should be regarded as Heresy and rejected.

You have just been put on notice.

Prove me wrong.

While the words, "spiritual death" are not in the scriptures the concept of spiritual death does at 1John 3:13-15 where it says: "13 Do not be surprised, brothers, that the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed over from death to life, because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death. 15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has everlasting life remaining in him.

So if we were to copy Cain, we would be spiritually dead. He hated his brother so much that he killed him, and we are not surprised that the world similarly hates true Christians for Jesus foretold this at Mark 13:13 but “we know we have passed over from death to life, because we love the brothers,” our fellow witnesses of Jehovah. Because of that brotherly love, coupled with faith in Christ, no longer are we ‘dead’ in trespasses and sins, but God has lifted from us His condemnation, and we have been raised out of death, being given the hope of everlasting life. John 5:24; Ephesians 2:1-7. Loveless apostates have no such hope, for “he who does not love remains in death.” So my question is if a person who doesn't love as the scriptures say we should love and the scriptures say such person's remain in death, what kind of death was the scriptures talking about. These scriptures, when they were written were talking to the people that were living on earth who considered themselves Christians. The Apostle John and others were talking to people who were still living and a part of the congregation, they were not talking to people who were deceased.

 

[Base12]

I am still reading through the posts. Awesome stuff everyone, but please keep something in mind...

There are only so many Deaths to go around, and from what I can see, your maths are off a tad bit.

Here is a summary of your equations using Dr. Evil as an example:

• Dr. Evil is 'Spiritually Dead' and will remain that way. That is Death #1.
• Dr. Evil dies from an Adrenochrome overdose. That is Death #2.
• Dr. Evil gets thrown into the Lake of Fire. That is Death #3.

Uh oh...

Revelation 21:8
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

There are only TWO deaths in Scripture. Where are you getting the third?

 

[Base12]

So if we were to copy Cain, we would be spiritually dead.

Thanks @BARNEY BRIGHT Maybe you can help me with this next one...

OK, so if Adam and Eve experienced a Spiritual Death, and the Lake of Fire is also a Spiritual Death, then wouldn't that mean that Adam and Eve experienced the Second Death?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Thanks @BARNEY BRIGHT Maybe you can help me with this next one...

OK, so if Adam and Eve experienced a Spiritual Death, and the Lake of Fire is also a Spiritual Death, then wouldn't that mean that Adam and Eve experienced the Second Death?

I honestly don't believe that Adam and Eve will get an resurrection.
Adam and Eve were perfect creatures when he created them, and since God’s command to them was explicit and understood by both, it is evident that their sinning was willful and was not excusable on the basis of any human weakness or imperfection. So, Gods words to them afterward offer no invitation to repentance. (Ge 3:16-24)

So Adam and Eve could not have benefited from the ransom. The Mosaic Law stated this principle regarding a willful murderer: “You must take no ransom for the soul of a murderer who is deserving to die.” (Numbers 35:31) Clearly, Adam and Eve deserved to die because they willingly and knowingly disobeyed God. They thereby gave up their prospect of everlasting life.

So forgiveness was never an option in this case. As perfect humans, Adam and Eve made a deliberate choice to reject Jehovah’s sovereignty and to accept the guidance of Satan instead. Not surprisingly, there was no sign of repentance on the part of the rebels.
The point is I believe Adam and Eve did experience the second death when they physically die, they will not get a resurrection.