Children (and dogs)?

Ronald Nolette said:

And the verse that shows this exclusion is where?

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Ronald Nolette said:

Because teh bible tells us how the rebirth takes place. It isn't a question of comparing similar things and coming to a conclusion. It is accepting what the bible says no matter what else may sound reasonable.

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Enoch111 said:

But Jesus said, Suffer [allow] little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven. (Mt 19:14)

"Of such" has two applications: (1) little children automatically belong within the Kingdom of Heaven and (2) all adults who come with the humility of little children to God and Christ for salvation, and are born again, will also enter and see the Kingdom of God.

God's righteousness and the finished work of Christ guarantee the entrance of little children into Heaven.

You may not believe it, but that is of no consequence. Had you been with Christ's disciples at that time, you too would have shooed them away as being nuisances. But Christ rebuked them, as He will rebuke you in a day to come.

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quietthinker said:

..and how does the new birth take place?

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Ronald Nolette said:

You believe children are saved and then lose that salvation and have to get saved all over again.

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Ronald Nolette said:

From JOhn 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Ephesians 2:8-9
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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 10:9-13
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9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

There are many others that show faith alone by grace brings the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit.

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Enoch111 said:

You manufactured that out of thin air. So let's be clear. If a little child dies, it goes to Heaven. If a little child grows to becomes a teenager, then that person is capable of responding to the Gospel and must obey the Gospel. If the teenager becomes an adult, the same applies. God offers salvation to all, but all must obey the Gospel in order to be saved.

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quietthinker said:

just as you were birthed by your mother even while you were unaware so the Spirit births people even while they are unaware and without understanding. It is not till a later stage in ones experience that the gravity of this registers.
'the wind blows where it will and you hear the sound of it but you do not know where it comes from or where it is going'...Jesus

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Ronald Nolette said:

Your philosophical musings run counter to Gods Word.

People do not get saved unknowingly. The bible is clear and absolute- in order to be born again one must trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus for their sin.

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Ronald Nolette said:

From JOhn 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Ephesians 2:8-9
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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 10:9-13
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9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

There are many others that show faith alone by grace brings the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit.

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quietthinker said:

I think so....ie, people get saved unknowingly! there are those that ask Jesus 'what are those scars in your hands' and he will answer, 'it is where I was wounded in the house of my friends' ...Zechariah 13:6

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quietthinker said:

what I am asking is can a man of his own volition generate a new birth....can he decide 'I'm going to be born again'

These are not philosophical musings.....they are genuine reflections

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Ronald Nolette said:

And then they will know and get saved. Remember the audience it is addressing!



A man cannot because a man does not have free will to make that choice. God grants us the faith to believe and then we believe!

Romans 10:9-15
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9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Also from John 3:

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

To believe requires knowledge and action.

No one gets saved apart from placing their trust in christ Jesus! NO ONE.

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quietthinker said:

so then, God does the birthing!

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Nancy said:

Mark 10:13-16
“And they began bringing children to Him, so that He might touch them; and the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw this, He was indignant and said to them, ‘Permit the children to come to Me; and do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter in at all.’ And He took them in His arms and began blessing them, laying His hands upon them.”

Unless adults receive The Kingdom as a child, they will not enter.

Most very young children could not grasp the doctrinal issues because of the complexity of it. I'd say once they reach the age of maturity in Christ and understand the core teachings, then yes, they will be held to account. In 2nd Timothy, it said that from "earliest childhood" he knew the Word which then enabled him to gain wisdom and faith and to receive salvation.
Those children brought up by ungodly parents are no different than anyone else, they will be held accountable once they DO hear the gospel, this is IMO only.
God Bless and save the children!

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Marc RL Ministry said:

Children are much the same till we train them to be sinful..

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atpollard said:

Should we honor Abortion providers for their amazing work for the Kingdom … snatching MILLIONS of souls from eternal damnation (far more than any Christian Denomination reaches) … with far greater success than any missionary program since the Book of Acts (where thousands were saved in a single day at a single location)?

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