The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

Hello @CadyandZoe

The following links are to proofs that you nullify the Word of God in your heart (Mark 7:13, Matthew 15:18-20):

EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: you wouldn't answer the question about whether "do you believe that you, right now, are a part of "the whole world" as it is written in "the whole world lies in the evil one" (1 John 5:19)?" - which leads to the destruction of the claim that "world" means everyone everywhere in all time
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EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: When you wrote "Jesus didn't buy disciples", then, in effect, @CadyandZoe, you excluded yourself from the ransom that Jesus paid, see Matthew 20:28, truly Christ sets His disciples free from sin's punishment along with His disciples becoming slaves of righteousness (Romans 6:18), He is Righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21)
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EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: your sin of separating the sin offering from the guilt offering in Isaiah 53:10
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EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: you lie that the word "servants" replaces "slaves" in Romans 6:18
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EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: you wickedly subtract "slaves of God" from 1 Peter 2:16
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EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: you distort the definition of "ransom" and "redemption" despite God providing the meaning in Exodus 21:30
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EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: conclusive scriptural proof of your embracing that you are not ransomed by Christ's redeeming work because of your heart's treasure that man retains his sins and that man is not bought by Christ
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EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: you steal the fruit of the Spirit called obedience

Kermos said:

Hello @CadyandZoe

The following links are to proofs that you nullify the Word of God in your heart (Mark 7:13, Matthew 15:18-20):

EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: you wouldn't answer the question about whether "do you believe that you, right now, are a part of "the whole world" as it is written in "the whole world lies in the evil one" (1 John 5:19)?" - which leads to the destruction of the claim that "world" means everyone everywhere in all time
and
EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: When you wrote "Jesus didn't buy disciples", then, in effect, @CadyandZoe, you excluded yourself from the ransom that Jesus paid, see Matthew 20:28, truly Christ sets His disciples free from sin's punishment along with His disciples becoming slaves of righteousness (Romans 6:18), He is Righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21)
and
EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: your sin of separating the sin offering from the guilt offering in Isaiah 53:10
and
EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: you lie that the word "servants" replaces "slaves" in Romans 6:18
and
EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: you wickedly subtract "slaves of God" from 1 Peter 2:16
and
EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: you distort the definition of "ransom" and "redemption" despite God providing the meaning in Exodus 21:30
and
EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: conclusive scriptural proof of your embracing that you are not ransomed by Christ's redeeming work because of your heart's treasure that man retains his sins and that man is not bought by Christ
and
EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: you steal the fruit of the Spirit called obedience

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May the Lord Bless you.
Romans 12:4
I pray that you will find peace.
Matthew 5:44

brightfame52 said:

Scripture Teaches Limited Atonement !

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That is COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY false! Scripture teaches unlimited atonement. There can be no disputing the fact that Christ died for the sins of the whole world (John 1:29 and other passages). Which means that limited atonement is heresy.

CadyandZoe said:

May the Lord Bless you.
Romans 12:4
I pray that you will find peace.
Matthew 5:44

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You have repeatedly said that Jesus does not take away sins.

Over and over you emphatically conveyed that Christ does not wipe away sins such as earlier with "God wasn't absolving people of guilt".

I recall an instance where you sandwiched in "Jesus not only forgives sins, he takes them away entirely" among your "Jesus didn't buy disciples".

Your doctrine holds that two mutually exclusive things are true simultaneously.

By definition logically and linguistically, two mutually exclusive premises can not be true simultaneously.

Your doctrine, the thoughts of your heart, our confusion; on the other hand, "God is not a God of confusion but of peace" (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Notice the contra-juxtaposition of peace against confusion/war.

You go around saying peace, peace, but there is no peace (Jeremiah 6:14) for you currently war with the Lord Jesus based on the treasure of your heart (Matthew 15:18).

Since you are not at peace with the Word of God, then you are at war with the Word of God (Matthew 12:30).

EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: your uncleaness is your words and the Christ says "by your words you will be condemned" (Matthew 12:37) - you disavow the cleansing work of Christ declared in 1 Peter 2:24 accompanying Isaiah 53:10)

Truly, all of us disciples bought by Christ have peace with God by the act of God alone!

May the One True God open your eyes to the fact that Lord Jesus Christ is all in all!

Enoch111 said:

That is COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY false! Scripture teaches unlimited atonement. There can be no disputing the fact that Christ died for the sins of the whole world (John 1:29 and other passages). Which means that limited atonement is heresy.

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Since you wrote "Christ died for the sins of the whole world" which appears to be a reference to 1 John 2:2 since the phrase "the whole world" appears twice in one book of the New Testament, then here is a question for you:

@Enoch111, do you believe that you, right now, are a part of "the whole world" as it is written in "the whole world lies in the evil one" (1 John 5:19)?

Kermos said:

You have repeatedly said that Jesus does not take away sins.

Over and over you emphatically conveyed that Christ does not wipe away sins such as earlier with "God wasn't absolving people of guilt".

I recall an instance where you sandwiched in "Jesus not only forgives sins, he takes them away entirely" among your "Jesus didn't buy disciples".

Your doctrine holds that two mutually exclusive things are true simultaneously.

By definition logically and linguistically, two mutually exclusive premises can not be true simultaneously.

Your doctrine, the thoughts of your heart, our confusion; on the other hand, "God is not a God of confusion but of peace" (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Notice the contra-juxtaposition of peace against confusion/war.

You go around saying peace, peace, but there is no peace (Jeremiah 6:14) for you currently war with the Lord Jesus based on the treasure of your heart (Matthew 15:18).

Since you are not at peace with the Word of God, then you are at war with the Word of God (Matthew 12:30).

EXPOSED SCRIPTURALLY: your uncleaness is your words and the Christ says "by your words you will be condemned" (Matthew 12:37) - you disavow the cleansing work of Christ declared in 1 Peter 2:24 accompanying Isaiah 53:10)

Truly, all of us disciples bought by Christ have peace with God by the act of God alone!

May the One True God open your eyes to the fact that Lord Jesus Christ is all in all!

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So as not to be rude, I write this simple note. I remain silent at this point.

IMHO calvinist have a foundation that is false. On this false foundation they exegesis all other scriptures to support their doctrine. When you understand that their definition of ELECT and Predestined is flawed their views fall apart.

brightfame52 said:

Another popular Myth in the religious world today, is the Jesus Christ died or gave His Life for everyone in the world without exception, but the problem with that, is there is not one shred of scripture evidence that states that.

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Jesus is the acceptable sacrifice (propitiation) for the sins of the whole world!

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

People do not go to the lake of fire because they are sinners, people are condemned because they reject the only acceptable payment the Father accepts for sin.

CadyandZoe said:

So as not to be rude, I write this simple note. I remain silent at this point.

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You have been intensely rude to the Word of God.

You blindly say "free" of 1 Peter 2:16 while gnashing your teeth at "slaves of God" in 1 Peter 2:16.

The Apostle Peter says that free man are slaves of God for it is written "as free, and not having the freedom as a cover-up for evil, but as slaves of God." (1 Peter 2:16).

See that Peter wrote "slaves of God" (1 Peter 2:16), just like Paul wrote disciples of Christ are slaves of righteousness (Romans 6:18).

"The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many" says Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 20:28).

Christ's Blood shed on the cross is payment for the ransom that leads to Christ's disciples being bought unto slaves of Righteousness; moreover, the payment for the ransom is redemption of Christ's disciples.

We slaves of Righteousness are set free from the punishment for sin.

The Apostle Paul wrote "you have been bought with a price" (1 Corinthians 6:20).

When you wrote "Jesus didn't buy disciples", then, in effect, @CadyandZoe, you excluded yourself from the ransom that Jesus paid resulting you being under the punishment for sin.

Ronald Nolette said:

Jesus is the acceptable sacrifice (propitiation) for the sins of the whole world!

1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

People do not go to the lake of fire because they are sinners, people are condemned because they reject the only acceptable payment the Father accepts for sin.

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Since you wrote "Jesus is the acceptable sacrifice (propitiation) for the sins of the whole world" with reference to 1 John 2:2 and the phrase "the whole world" appears twice in one book of the New Testament, then here is a question for you:

@Ronald Nolette, do you believe that you, right now, are a part of "the whole world" as it is written in "the whole world lies in the evil one" (1 John 5:19)?

TEXBOW said:

IMHO calvinist have a foundation that is false. On this false foundation they exegesis all other scriptures to support their doctrine. When you understand that their definition of ELECT and Predestined is flawed their views fall apart.

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That's a whole lot of your thoughts, @TEXBOW; meanwhile, your post is absent of the Word of God.

A word about your thoughts. It is written, "'For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,' declares the LORD. 'For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.'" (Isaiah 55:8-9).

Your free willian thoughts are man attempting to override God's thoughts with man's thoughts, and that is evil.

The Word of God says there is no level that a person can choose Lord Jesus because He says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) as well as "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19, includes salvation) - Jesus, being God, did not provide any exception for choosing toward Jesus. Lord Jesus speaks to all believers in all time because He also said "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word" (John 17:20)! All these words of Jesus are at the same supper! All glory is God's! With man, salvation is impossible (Matthew 19:25-26)! All glory in the salvation of man is God's (John 15:5, Isaiah 42:8, Psalm 3:8)!

You deny the Word of God with your shifting sand free-willian thoughts.

The Word of God is we Christian's solid foundation, and this true foundation, the Lord Jesus Christ says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16).

Kermos said:

Since you wrote "Jesus is the acceptable sacrifice (propitiation) for the sins of the whole world" with reference to 1 John 2:2 and the phrase "the whole world" appears twice in one book of the New Testament, then here is a question for you:

@Ronald Nolette, do you believe that you, right now, are a part of "the whole world" as it is written in "the whole world lies in the evil one" (1 John 5:19)?

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Well as Satan still is the god of this world (howbeit temporarily) and that the worlds system are under His control, yesthe world lies in the evil one just as it is written in Gods Word!

Yopu forget that though we live in this present evil world we are not of this world. so we are in it but not of it.

brightfame52 said:

This is error !

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sorry you find the bible to be in error.

Jesus is the perfect sacrifice for all mankind!

Jesus' death and resurrection made all men savable- though the majority reject Him.

Unbelievers go to teh lake because they are unbelievers. Their level of punishment is determined by their actions in light of the knoweldge they had of God!

People in america who are lost face far worse punishment than those in places where the gospel has not been heard. Why? Because they had greater light and rejected it!

Once again Jesus was judged and punished for all men's sins. This allows Him to be the only Savior for no other means is acceptable. So sin is not the issue but that they did not accept the death and resurrection of Jesus for their sin is the issue!