Adam, a picture of Christ

quietthinker · Nov 26, 2021

post said:
an·ti·type | \ ˈantə̇ˌtīp, -tē- also -(ˌ)tī-, ˈaan- \
Definition of antitype
1: something that corresponds to or is foreshadowed in a type

Adam is a figure of Christ.
Adam does something that Christ does. Adam presages the thing Christ will later do - he is a foreshadow of the substance which is Christ.

Satan brought death to all: through Adam, by deceiving Adam's wife and thereby forcing Adam into making a certain decision.
Adam is not called a figure of Satan. he is called a figure of Christ.

there is a trial in Genesis 3 and Woman & Adam ((two witnesses)) testify that Satan is a liar and a murderer. Satan is cursed, Adam & Eve are not.
God hears their confessions and then sheds the blood of an innocent soul to make new coverings for them. ((repentance & substitutionary atonement)).
God does not do this for Satan.

Romans 5 reveals Jesus to be the second representative of the human race; a representative who regained the kingdom with victory. Adam on the other hand was our first representative who lost the kingdom God had given him; he failed and brought death....Jesus brought life.

In Adam all die, in Jesus all are made alive.

Are what A&E said confession or pronouncements of blame?
Does God really shed innocent blood of anything?

Enoch111 · Nov 26, 2021

amigo de christo said:
Because Adam had no earthly father , nor did JESUS .

Yes. Adam is called "son of God" in the genealogy of Christ. But Jesus is "the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God". Big difference.

All those who were direct creations (including angels) of God were called "sons of God" (bene Elohim). But Christ is the UNIQUELY begotten Son of God. Since there is no mother involved, this speaks of a unique and eternal Father-Son relationship within the Godhead. Jesus called God the Father "my God" but God the Father called His only begotten Son "GOD". How could that be unless there is a triune Godhead. Jesus was the Son of God from eternity past, and also called "the Word" (who is God).

Getting back to Adam, we see Adam as a type of Christ in his marriage to Eve. Just as God took Eve out of the side of Adam and then brought her to him, the Church is the Bride of Christ and Jesus is the Divine Bridegroom. One day the Bride will become the Lamb's Wife. Just as Adam was put into a deep sleep, Christ died and His body was in the tomb for three days and three night "in a deep sleep".

Curtis · Nov 26, 2021

post said:
an·ti·type | \ ˈantə̇ˌtīp, -tē- also -(ˌ)tī-, ˈaan- \
Definition of antitype
1: something that corresponds to or is foreshadowed in a type

Adam is a figure of Christ.
Adam does something that Christ does. Adam presages the thing Christ will later do - he is a foreshadow of the substance which is Christ.

Satan brought death to all: through Adam, by deceiving Adam's wife and thereby forcing Adam into making a certain decision.
Adam is not called a figure of Satan. he is called a figure of Christ.

there is a trial in Genesis 3 and Woman & Adam ((two witnesses)) testify that Satan is a liar and a murderer. Satan is cursed, Adam & Eve are not.
God hears their confessions and then sheds the blood of an innocent soul to make new coverings for them. ((repentance & substitutionary atonement)).
God does not do this for Satan.

Except scripture goes on to make the comparison between Adam bringing death by sin to all men, and Jesus bringing life to all men, thus telling us how Adam s a figure of Jesus.,

The first Adam brought death to all, the last Adam brought life to all.

Thus scripture once again explains itself in the text.

post · Nov 26, 2021

quietthinker said:
Are what A&E said confession or pronouncements of blame?

her name is Woman until afterwards.
if she was not in the state of mind that what she had done was wrong, she could not have said "i was deceived"
repentance = literally, a changing of the mind. you stop calling your evil, good, and recognize/confess that it is evil.

they confess their sin in repentance. they testify against Satan.
Satan is cursed and they are not
God gives them garments made by His own hand
is that a good thing or a bad thing when God gives you a garment of His own handiwork?
does God clothe you with His own handiwork when you lie to Him and refuse to confess your sin or repent?

friend, God accepted their confessions. Genesis 3 is the protoevangelion. this is a picture of salvation.
a part of it is Adam, in shadow, portraying Christ, the husband of the fallen & redeemed bride -- that's the part i want us to learn together

it's very complex. of course it is - it is the word of the omniscient infinite God
this is not a simple narrative
we will have to ((get to)) go through a lot of this chapter, deeply

quietthinker said:
Does God really shed innocent blood of anything?

what are the sacrifices of the law, and where did the pelts come from that God covered them with?
a sinless, spotless living soul.
what are they for? atonement = covering
nothing in scripture ever accuses any other animal of sin. only the animal called 'man' ((Ecclesiastes 3:19))

why does Abel know he must sacrifice a lamb?
why is he doing that?
firstfruits? a sin offering? a memorial?
how often do they do this? how many times before the record of Genesis 4?
is it every day? every week? every year? only once ever?
is it a feast day later given in the law? which one?

post · Nov 26, 2021

Curtis said:
scripture goes on to make the comparison between Adam bringing death by sin to all men, and Jesus bringing life to all men

that is not a comparison.
that is the opposite: a contrast.

and again, Adam did not "bring" sin and death.
Satan did.

sin "entered through" Adam. not originated by Adam, but Adam was used as the conduit.
which -- Woman sinned before Adam, 1 Timothy 2. so why does sin enter through him?
and if Adam was at fault for failing to prevent her from sinning - if he was present when she was deceived and thereby negligent in failing to speak up - then he would be first in transgression. but he is not. therefore she was alone with Satan: he wasn't present.

Satan is the most cunning created being to exist, Genesis 3:1
he went after her, not him.
what does that imply?
how powerful & wise is Adam, that Satan does not try to deceive him? ((or did he try, and fail?))
how powerful and wise is Woman, that it must be brought to our attention that Satan is the most cunning of all created beings? is their conversation simple? is it nuanced and incredibly complex? was it 'easy' to deceive her?
why does Genesis 3:1 exist?
it's a piece of information we have to know to understand Genesis 3. it is not wasted or superfluous information. the omniscience of the Author of Genesis 3 demands that it is perfectly written: no detail is insignificant, and no necessary information is missing.

post · Nov 26, 2021

Enoch111 said:
Getting back to Adam, we see Adam as a type of Christ in his marriage to Eve. Just as God took Eve out of the side of Adam and then brought her to him, the Church is the Bride of Christ and Jesus is the Divine Bridegroom. One day the Bride will become the Lamb's Wife. Just as Adam was put into a deep sleep, Christ died and His body was in the tomb for three days and three night "in a deep sleep".

♥

thank you
so if i had to guess, how long did it take to create Adam's wife -- how long was Adam's "deep sleep" ? hehe

and also linked here, Abraham in "a deep sleep" in Genesis 15, when God confirms His covenant with him

Enoch111 · Nov 26, 2021

post said:
so if i had to guess, how long did it take to create Adam's wife -- how long was Adam's "deep sleep" ? hehe

I would say probably less than five minutes. And there was no blood and water from Adam's side. Just a rib and the flesh was instantly healed. No sutures, and no anesthetic. But this rib must have probably been the most beautiful woman Eve -- "the mother of all living" -- ever created. But the Church was created from the blood of Christ and the water of the Word of God (and the Holy Spirit).
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. (1 John 5:8) And Christ will present to Himself a Bride without spot or blemish.

BTW, even though Adam lost a rib, God made sure that all those descended from Adam would have twelve pairs of ribs. And twelve is the number of divine government.

quietthinker · Nov 26, 2021

post said:
her name is Woman until afterwards.

not sure what you mean here.

post said:
it's very complex. of course it is - it is the word of the omniscient infinite God
this is not a simple narrative
we will have to ((get to)) go through a lot of this chapter, deeply

I don't find the narrative complex...I find it straight forward. God goes looking for them and addresses the issue. The man blames God indirectly then blames the woman; the woman blames the serpent. Both admit they blew it....I suppose you could call that a qualified confession....whether that qualifies as repentance we are not told.....we can just guess.

post said:
God gives them garments made by His own hand

yeah

post said:
what are the sacrifices of the law, and where did the pelts come from that God covered them with?

The law at this stage was not in existence.
We are told he God made tunics of skin. We read into this and say God killed an animal, took its skin off, tanned it, used a U beaut sewing machine and turned out clothing....ok, maybe he stitched it by hand? If God could make animals he could surely make skin.

post said:
why does Abel know he must sacrifice a lamb?

He doesn't....we assume this. He brought a gift/offering of the best portions of his flock....fat....it could have been milk and cheese....we assume he killed an animal....and why fat? what makes it the best portion?
Where do we get these values from? from the ceremonial law? yes.....however, this/these law/s was/were unknown to Adam and Eve and their immediate children.

Cain brought fruit however it omits to say he bought the best fruit or first fruits. My guess is he brought what happened to be around where Abel brought the best. Able made a conscious choice to select a top gift out of gratitude. Cain didn't and God didn't throw the law at him because there was no law.

We have a tendency to read back into the text from the record of practices implemented further in the future.

post · Nov 27, 2021

it is not insignificant that Adam, who gave a name to every living soul, and that was its name, called his wife 'Woman' and later, after certain events, and after certain revelations & confirimations of those revelations, called her name 'Eve'.

MatthewG · Nov 27, 2021

post said:
Adam . . . who is the figure of Him that was to come.
(Romans 5:14)

Adam is a figure of Christ.
how?

because through him death came to all?
no, that aspect makes him a picture of Satan.

the scripture calls him a picture of Christ.
how?

Hello Post,

Were you able to figure out this question by any chance? From my understanding Jesus was the second Adam to come, who would restore what was lost by the first Adam.

post · Nov 28, 2021

MatthewG said:
Hello Post,

Were you able to figure out this question by any chance? From my understanding Jesus was the second Adam to come, who would restore what was lost by the first Adam.

i have possibly understood a few things, but there are many

for example - Adam names every living soul ((Genesis 2:19)), and gives his wife a new name after she has repented & believed the promise

and Christ:

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches!
To him who overcomes I will give some of the hidden manna to eat,
and I will give him a white stone,
and on the stone a new name written which no one knows except him who receives
(Revelation 2:17)

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