There was a lot of apostacy and idol worship metnioned in the OT but I don't know where there is reffernce to satan worship. The Ancient Jews didn't even believe in the devil, that's why he isn't even mentioned until Job.
Should Christians Celebrate Christmas?
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Idols are linked to demons.
1 Corinthians 10:19-21 (NKJV)
19 What am I saying then? That an idol is anything, or what is offered to idols is anything? 20 Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord's table and of the table of demons.
Revelation 9:20 (NKJV)
20 But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.
1 Corinthians 10:19-21 (NKJV)
19 What am I saying then? That an idol is anything, or what is offered to idols is anything? 20 Rather, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice they sacrifice to demons and not to God, and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord's table and of the table of demons.
Revelation 9:20 (NKJV)
20 But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.
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I did a quick search and according to wikianswers, this seems to be correct. However, checking the Bible Satan is mentioned in 1 Chronicles 21, as well as Job (as you mentioned), but also Psalms 109 (Which was a psalm written by David) and Zecheriah.
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Well, that's pretty interesting. I was thinking about that today. Here we have homosexuals who are clearly sinning in the flesh. No one can deny that. However, on the other side, Christians who celebrate Christmas? What about them? There may be some that really don't know that it isn't the Birth date of Jesus. So they are ignorant of the truth. Others know it is not, yet they still celebrate it, even though some of them know it is a pagan holiday that was compromised to become Christian. Kind of like Halloween. Others know there weren't wise men at the birth, there wasn't really a barn (at least the Bible never mentions it) and realizes that much of the nativity scene is not Biblically supported. Some of them even tell their children about Santa Clause and believe it is harmless. Yet they know it's not the truth. They actually know its all not the truth.
So on one hand you have people who sin against the flesh, and on the other you have people who know their beliefs were compromised to appease heathen practices, and support it. They know that Jesus was not born in December, and Santa Clause is a lie. Even some of them support the commercialism of Christmas by buying a tree (which they know is a pagan symbol) and will participate in "Black Friday". They will probably spend a good grand or more on Christmas which could be better spent on giving that money to the Church for the spreading of the Gospel (or if they must, give it to the poor).
So which is worse? Those who sin against the flesh or those who think it's ok to compromise the truth?
Job was written by Moses, therefore that makes it one of the first pieces of foundation writing for the jews and their beliefs.
They may not believe in Satan these days... but certainly they did back in the first century for Jesus spoke about Satan and so the did the Jewish apostles.
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Amen. Just because they didn't believe Satan existed (and I believe the did believe) doesn't mean that he doesn't. Jesus was a Jew, and I think he believed he existed since he talked to him.
In the New Testament there is a scripture that says that those who offer sacrifices to idols are offering it to demons. So Idol worship is Satan worship.
A Brief History and
Examination of Christmas
-by Tony Warren
Though Christian gift Giving is believed to originate from the gifts of the Magi, the custom of giving gifts may well have also been influenced by the northern European tradition of giving presents as part of their end of year celebrations. It is not inconceivable that these customs made it more of an acceptable practice in the celebration of Christ's birth.
Sadly, the legend of Saint Nicholas and his alleged charity also found it's way into some Christmas celebrations as many catholics made him a symbol of the charitable giving of gifts. Nevertheless, it is self evident that the unrighteous practice on any given day, cannot abrogate the day itself, or make it unacceptable by Christians who use it properly in righteous memorial. In truth, the argument against observing Christmas is mostly based on the origin of it, and leans heavily upon the abuse of it both in history and today. But this argument is spurious in my view, because origin or abuse of any particular thing is not the judge of whether it may be used rightly. It is difficult for any logical person to argue this reasonably, else we would have to give up the word Sunday, because it's origin is from the pagan worship of the sun. Likewise we would have to give up saturday, because it's origin is from the pagan worship of Saturn. In order to remain consistent these detractors should never utter the days of the week again. However, we all understand that mere words, origins, or objects (as a tree) are not inherently evil, and the same goes for a celebration of Christ's birth in December, or january, or any day for that matter. Do we say that because pagans today have usurped Sunday as their day of the religion of football and hallow it in their own eyes, disrespecting God, that we should no longer observe the Sunday sabbath? No one would suggest we stop worshipping on Sunday. And likewise, there should be no condemnation of Christians who commemorate Christ's birth on December 25th, simply because pagans have their own festivals then.
We would all agree that unrighteous use of the day certainly occurred, and is even today occurring, but that did not (nor does it) effect the righteous who in reverence to God, use this as a special remembrance. Not then, nor now.
http://www.mountainr...histchrist.html
A great article... ^_^
Blessings!
Examination of Christmas
-by Tony Warren
Though Christian gift Giving is believed to originate from the gifts of the Magi, the custom of giving gifts may well have also been influenced by the northern European tradition of giving presents as part of their end of year celebrations. It is not inconceivable that these customs made it more of an acceptable practice in the celebration of Christ's birth.
Sadly, the legend of Saint Nicholas and his alleged charity also found it's way into some Christmas celebrations as many catholics made him a symbol of the charitable giving of gifts. Nevertheless, it is self evident that the unrighteous practice on any given day, cannot abrogate the day itself, or make it unacceptable by Christians who use it properly in righteous memorial. In truth, the argument against observing Christmas is mostly based on the origin of it, and leans heavily upon the abuse of it both in history and today. But this argument is spurious in my view, because origin or abuse of any particular thing is not the judge of whether it may be used rightly. It is difficult for any logical person to argue this reasonably, else we would have to give up the word Sunday, because it's origin is from the pagan worship of the sun. Likewise we would have to give up saturday, because it's origin is from the pagan worship of Saturn. In order to remain consistent these detractors should never utter the days of the week again. However, we all understand that mere words, origins, or objects (as a tree) are not inherently evil, and the same goes for a celebration of Christ's birth in December, or january, or any day for that matter. Do we say that because pagans today have usurped Sunday as their day of the religion of football and hallow it in their own eyes, disrespecting God, that we should no longer observe the Sunday sabbath? No one would suggest we stop worshipping on Sunday. And likewise, there should be no condemnation of Christians who commemorate Christ's birth on December 25th, simply because pagans have their own festivals then.
We would all agree that unrighteous use of the day certainly occurred, and is even today occurring, but that did not (nor does it) effect the righteous who in reverence to God, use this as a special remembrance. Not then, nor now.
http://www.mountainr...histchrist.html
A great article... ^_^
Blessings!
In the Bible the Magi gave gifts to the baby Jesus not to each other. So anyone who thought that it came from the Bible is mistaken as your post points out. But if one is celebrating a person's birthday on a date that the person was not born on, are they really celebrating that person's birthday? It's one thing to celebrate the fact that Jesus was born (that can be celebrated on any day and as often as one chose), but to use December 25 as the day of Jesus' birth is not worshiping God in truth, because that date is a lie.
How is it that Christians who celebrates Christmas don't use the money they normal use to go out an shop on Christmas eve give it all to Church instead? Would not that be more like what the wise men did? Would not that be more in line with the Bible?
Matthew 15
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’
Shalom!
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”
3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’
Shalom!
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Tell me...do you celebrate Martin Luther King Day? ...since his memorial service has always marked his birth date (Jan 15), are you celebrating then or on the third Monday of January which has been declared a National Holiday?
Why is it that people celebrate great leaders with memorial services and National Holidays...but have trouble with celebrating the birth of Jesus [the savior of the world] once a year because it ain't on the actual day he was born? Not all Christians are stupid...they know what they are celebrating.
Shalom!
Why is it that people celebrate great leaders with memorial services and National Holidays...but have trouble with celebrating the birth of Jesus [the savior of the world] once a year because it ain't on the actual day he was born? Not all Christians are stupid...they know what they are celebrating.
Shalom!
I don't celebrate Martin Luther King day. But are people celebrating his birthday or just celebrating Martin Luther King and have set aside a date for that?
It's a national Holiday
Martin Luther King Day: The Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., an African-American clergyman, is considered a great American because of his tireless efforts to win civil rights for all people through nonviolent means. Since his assassination in 1968, memorial services have marked his birthday on January 15. In 1986, that day was replaced by the third Monday of January, which was declared a national holiday.
http://www.internationalstudentguidetotheusa.com/articles/holidays_customs.php
Martin Luther King Day: The Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., an African-American clergyman, is considered a great American because of his tireless efforts to win civil rights for all people through nonviolent means. Since his assassination in 1968, memorial services have marked his birthday on January 15. In 1986, that day was replaced by the third Monday of January, which was declared a national holiday.
http://www.internationalstudentguidetotheusa.com/articles/holidays_customs.php
Well, then they are not celebrating his birthday....they are celebrating the man. But I know all about what he did.
no...his memorial service marked his birthday...but you are missing the point once again... :unsure:
Just because the people are willing to celebrate a man's birthday on a day he was not born does not mean it make sense……to me it does not. Especially if one knows when he was born.
...that is a matter of opinion...yours over many millions who celebrate Martin Luther King Day in the United States.... 
Shalom...
Shalom...
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