America is Babylon

biggandyy said:

Quit equivocating, it's very annoying. God (through Isaiah) is talking about the PAST (Edom), not the future (America).

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Then you didn't read the scripture that I posted. Here it is again.

Isaiah 34
1 Come near, you nations, to hear; And heed, you people! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, The world and all things that come forth from it.
2 For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations, And His fury against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to the slaughter.
3 Also their slain shall be thrown out; Their stench shall rise from their corpses, And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; All their host shall fall down As the leaf falls from the vine, And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

I wanted to be near the Statue of Liberty during a time in daylight when the sun covered her and with the ocean calm and the reflection of the moon at her feet... to take a picture.

This opened a new window of an idea that may possibly be nothing... perhaps. Is there a day coming soon when the moon is closest to the earth but during daytime. That a picture could be taken of the Statue of Liberty with a very large view of the moon in the calm waters surrounding her? Can this idea give us a time increment of a prophetic nature? A link, if you will, between prophecy written and a real-time picture relating to prophecy. If there is a day, within the next 15 years, when this picture could be taken could it be relative toward prophecy? I do not remember a time when the moon is closest to the earth and the moon is there in broad daylight, altthough I remember many times seeing the moon and the sun sharing the same daytime.

Anyone out here knoww enough to bee able to discoverand determine if this is possible and if it is soon?

The statue of liberty has nothing to do with the Revelation prophecy, except in some people's day dreams.

I belief you are most likely correct Vet

I am just not going to exclude it... at least yet.

terry said:

I belief you are most likely correct Vet

I am just not going to exclude it... at least yet.

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Can you imagine the confusion entered into with trying to use statues to try and support the erroneous idea that America is the Babylon harlot of Revelaiton?

The French gave that statue of liberty to the U.S.., and it does relate to a pagan goddess of freedom. But how many aren't aware that the origins of Freemasonry in the West involved stone mason guilids that included pagans, and they also put pagan stone images upon the cathedrals of Europe they helped build? How is it that many have missed God's Word about crept in unawares of Bible history that were workers in stone borrowed from Tyre to help build David's house and Solomon's temple?

1 Chr 22:2
2 And David commanded to gather together the strangers that were in the land of Israel; and he set masons to hew wrought stones to build the house of God.
(KJV)

IKing 9:20-21
20 And all the people that were left of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, which were not of the children of Israel,
21 Their children that were left after them in the land, whom the children of Israel also were not able utterly to destroy, upon those did Solomon levy a tribute of bondservice unto this day.
(KJV)

2 Chr 2:17-18
17 And Solomon numbered all the strangers that were in the land of Israel, after the numbering wherewith David his father had numbered them; and they were found an hundred and fifty thousand and three thousand and six hundred.
18 And he set threescore and ten thousand of them to be bearers of burdens, and fourscore thousand to be hewers in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred overseers to set the people a work.
(KJV)

1 Chr 14:1
1 Now Hiram king of Tyre sent messengers to David, and timber of cedars, with masons and carpenters, to build him an house.
(KJV)

IKing 5:1-2
1 And Hiram king of Tyre sent his servants unto Solomon; for he had heard that they had anointed him king in the room of his father: for Hiram was ever a lover of David.
2 And Solomon sent to Hiram, saying,
(KJV)

IKing 5:6
6 Now therefore command thou that they hew me cedar trees out of Lebanon; and my servants shall be with thy servants: and unto thee will I give hire for thy servants according to all that thou shalt appoint: for thou knowest that there is not among us any that can skill to hew timber like unto the Sidonians.
(KJV)

I cannot rule USA out as being that harlot...For if not, then Scripture should claim the harlot as being the second biggest whore. However, I am pretty sure USA is in a path of demise and that coulde elevate the Whore of Babylon to the first chair. The many waters could refer to many waters and that directs us to USA, or it couild mean many peoples as in many diverse types of people and that too leads us to USA. So, in as much as the understanding is a bit vague to me, I shall keep my etes and mind open, that truth may be revealed and my personal opinion will not stand in the way..

terry said:

I cannot rule USA out as being that harlot...For if not, then Scripture should claim the harlot as being the second biggest whore. However, I am pretty sure USA is in a path of demise and that coulde elevate the Whore of Babylon to the first chair. The many waters could refer to many waters and that directs us to USA, or it couild mean many peoples as in many diverse types of people and that too leads us to USA. So, in as much as the understanding is a bit vague to me, I shall keep my etes and mind open, that truth may be revealed and my personal opinion will not stand in the way..

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I don't know where you're getting that "second biggest whore" idea. When the Babylon harlot is established for the end, it will usurp the power of ALL nations, including America. All nations will be subject to her, and that's why the idea of pointing to America as the Bayblon harlot is a deception.

The Babylon harlot of Rev.17-18 is not established yet, why? Because it is specifically about the biggest event of false idol worship of a false messiah in place of Christ that this world has never been subjected to before. That's going to take place in the city of Jerusalem, which is why that harlot idea has a specific timeline fulfillment only for when the false messiah / Antichrist arrives there, and places the abomination that maketh desolate.

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" I don't know where you're getting that "second biggest whore" idea. When the Babylon harlot is established for the end, it will usurp the power of ALL nations, including America. All nations will be subject to her, and that's why the idea of pointing to America as the Bayblon harlot is a deception. "

Vet, Consider a day one awakens to discover the sky is green the roads are all red and the grass is all blue, the events of prophecy so distinct that everyone can recognize them, yet only a few consider it? Now consider a day just like today... except the cornerstone is being set for the new temple. The subtle changes all so correct, yet to undersatand it takes wisdom and most don;t wish to stop for a second to look. They are too in a hurry running to and fro.

Consider this as a chess match.. the earth being the board and the kings and queens being the leaders and the pawns the little people. Satan MUST think he is winning the game even while God moves the last piece into its final position and calls "check" --- all that time..Satan smiles.... right up until he hears.... "mate" and realizes he not only lost, but he has no authority over the earth no more and for ever.. With that.. always keep in mind the ability of the subtle things being able to be what we think should be dramatic change.

Consider this and keep it as I consider and keep your understanding. With that done, however it begns we both have correct understanding and the wisdom to recognize it.

As far a the Statue of Liberty being given some authority other than simply a symbol, or i would rather refer to as a reference point, I do not believe that. however as a symbol ( i refer you back to "point of reference" ) such as a beast with many heads...

terry said:

Vet, Consider a day one awakens to discover the sky is green the roads are all red and the grass is all blue, the events of prophecy so distinct that everyone can recognize them, yet only a few consider it? Now consider a day just like today... except the cornerstone is being set for the new temple. The subtle changes all so correct, yet to undersatand it takes wisdom and most don;t wish to stop for a second to look. They are too in a hurry running to and fro.

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I think they called that sky is green, grass is blue, etc., as Expressionism in modern art.

Consider this as a chess match.. the earth being the board and the kings and queens being the leaders and the pawns the little people. Satan MUST think he is winning the game even while God moves the last piece into its final position and calls "check" --- all that time..Satan smiles.... right up until he hears.... "mate" and realizes he not only lost, but he has no authority over the earth no more and for ever.. With that.. always keep in mind the ability of the subtle things being able to be what we think should be dramatic change.

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Satan already knows he has lost. What he's trying to do is to get as many as he can to lose along with him. And that's the test upon the majority which our Heavenly Father allows. Not really a temptation for Christ's elect though, since they know what deception Satan is going to use for the end. Those who choose to listen to our Heavenly Father through His Son in His Word can know what His elect knows about that too, and be His elect with them. It's simply about who one chooses to listen to.

Consider this and keep it as I consider and keep your understanding. With that done, however it begns we both have correct understanding and the wisdom to recognize it.

As far a the Statue of Liberty being given some authority other than simply a symbol, or i would rather refer to as a reference point, I do not believe that. however as a symbol ( i refer you back to "point of reference" ) such as a beast with many heads...

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No, America is still not the Babylon harlot of Revelation. It's Jerusalem, and God already showed us many Biblical reasons why it will be Jerusalem for the last days. And you know what? All the Biblical signs about it being Jerusalem are lining up today. Naturally the orthodox Jews do not want us to think that. Nor do the NWO hosts who are doing today's setting up of the one-world beast kingdom with seven heads. Zionism and Jerusalem is the pivot.

Vet rote:
" I think they called that sky is green, grass is blue, etc., as Expressionism in modern art. "
Ok, so you think I am an artist... thanks.


" Satan already knows he has lost. What he's trying to do is to get as many as he can to lose along with him. "

You must think Satan does not either know Hell nor know wht it would be like, for if Satn did know he certainly would cut his losses and attempt to re-claim his status in heaven. I figure that right before Armageddon Saten claims victory over God... The Jews accept Jesus and Armageddon commences.

I do not attempt to claim USA as Babylon, but rather a possibility that I am un-willing to deny.

terry said:

Vet rote:
" I think they called that sky is green, grass is blue, etc., as Expressionism in modern art. "
Ok, so you think I am an artist... thanks.

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I couldn't escape the Expressionist assocation with that, and I am somewhat of an artist. My first declared major in college was commercial art.

" Satan already knows he has lost. What he's trying to do is to get as many as he can to lose along with him. "

You must think Satan does not either know Hell nor know wht it would be like, for if Satn did know he certainly would cut his losses and attempt to re-claim his status in heaven. I figure that right before Armageddon Saten claims victory over God... The Jews accept Jesus and Armageddon commences.

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Satan knows he has lost. God has showed in several places how Satan and his angels have already been judged and sentenced. It's only that his sentence is waiting to be carried out. Satan and his angels are on 'death row'. He's just out on a temporary work release program for the tribulation time, and then after the thousand years.

His situation is now like with the example in Job. Satan knows God's Hand of protection is upon His people so Satan cannot touch God's elect. That's why we're told in Daniel and Revelation that the false one coming is given power over the saints for the 3.5 years tribulation period. That's why we are not to fear Satan.

I do not attempt to claim USA as Babylon, but rather a possibility that I am un-willing to deny.

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Possibly you really mean, you're not willing to point to Jerusalem as the Babylon harlot, but willing to accept other options?

I too have a background in art.... I took 3rd in a state art exhibit... my son went to college on art scholarship... he took 1st, 1st and 2nd in ohio state art exhibit nd only took 2nd... because they wanted someone else to have a chance and told him that. My daughter also went to toledo university on an art scholarship. they both live in hollywood ca. ok so enough braggin bout my kids.

you claim.... " Satan knows he has lost. " - I completely dis-agree.... for what is his purpose if he knows it is senseless? When he is released after 1000 years he attempts this take over yet again... I believe he thinks he can still " win " and that the scripture has language errors in translations providing him loop holes. Do you think he figures he will be able to setup his kingdom in hell and so with enough people he will be satified and then after being freed for a seaon he will have obtained more people for his kingdom in hell? But, he will no longr be in hell he will be in the sea of fire and status will not exist. Knowing that...means any kingdom in hell is useless and the only way for him to " win " is to submit to God and do anything necessary to remain in heaven... eeven if he is but a janitor. nah he must not only think he will win but also, just before armageddon he will claim he has won.


Vet wrote:
" Possibly you really mean, you're not willing to point to Jerusalem as the Babylon harlot, but willing to accept other options? "
Well not entirely Vet, I understand anywhere could become Babylon... even Jerusalem... I just do not see it and some other places as likely candidates. When the two witnesses are killed it is called by God the Sodom of Egypt.. why is it not referred to as Babylon then? Remember at this time.. my options are open.

also... Vet wrote:
The Babylon harlot of Rev.17-18 is not established yet, why? Because it is specifically about the biggest event of false idol worship of a false messiah in place of Christ that this world has never been subjected to before. That's going to take place in the city of Jerusalem, which is why that harlot idea has a specific timeline fulfillment only for when the false messiah / Antichrist arrives there, and places the abomination that maketh desolate

This is very interesting Vet.... I will keep this and consider it and then keep it...

terry said:

I too have a background in art.... I took 3rd in a state art exhibit... my son went to college on art scholarship... he took 1st, 1st and 2nd in ohio state art exhibit nd only took 2nd... because they wanted someone else to have a chance and told him that. My daughter also went to toledo university on an art scholarship. they both live in hollywood ca. ok so enough braggin bout my kids.

you claim.... " Satan knows he has lost. " - I completely dis-agree.... for what is his purpose if he knows it is senseless? When he is released after 1000 years he attempts this take over yet again... I believe he thinks he can still " win " and that the scripture has language errors in translations providing him loop holes. Do you think he figures he will be able to setup his kingdom in hell and so with enough people he will be satified and then after being freed for a seaon he will have obtained more people for his kingdom in hell? But, he will no longr be in hell he will be in the sea of fire and status will not exist. Knowing that...means any kingdom in hell is useless and the only way for him to " win " is to submit to God and do anything necessary to remain in heaven... eeven if he is but a janitor. nah he must not only think he will win but also, just before armageddon he will claim he has won.


Vet wrote:
" Possibly you really mean, you're not willing to point to Jerusalem as the Babylon harlot, but willing to accept other options? "
Well not entirely Vet, I understand anywhere could become Babylon... even Jerusalem... I just do not see it and some other places as likely candidates. When the two witnesses are killed it is called by God the Sodom of Egypt.. why is it not referred to as Babylon then? Remember at this time.. my options are open.

also... Vet wrote:
The Babylon harlot of Rev.17-18 is not established yet, why? Because it is specifically about the biggest event of false idol worship of a false messiah in place of Christ that this world has never been subjected to before. That's going to take place in the city of Jerusalem, which is why that harlot idea has a specific timeline fulfillment only for when the false messiah / Antichrist arrives there, and places the abomination that maketh desolate

This is very interesting Vet.... I will keep this and consider it and then keep it...

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The harlot of Rev. 17 is established. The words 'sits upon' means to occupy. The harlot is figurative of something that occupies the ten nation empire of the man of sin. Islam occupies the Arab world and the Islamist/jihadist are the harlot's offspring. It is radical Islam and her jihadist offspring that will fill her cup (the world) with abominations. Islam is called, "An object of horror"!
What isn't established is the coming ten nation Islamic empire of the beast. That will soon come because the Arab world is now in revolt/rebellion/apostasy, and the man of sin will soon come and unite the region. This will probably occur after the passing of seal 3 and four. Bashar al' assad and Mahmoud Amadinejad!.......Horsemen in pairs!

terry said:

I too have a background in art.... I took 3rd in a state art exhibit... my son went to college on art scholarship... he took 1st, 1st and 2nd in ohio state art exhibit nd only took 2nd... because they wanted someone else to have a chance and told him that. My daughter also went to toledo university on an art scholarship. they both live in hollywood ca. ok so enough braggin bout my kids.

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You deserve to brag on them. Good show.

you claim.... " Satan knows he has lost. " - I completely dis-agree.... for what is his purpose if he knows it is senseless?

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His purpose now is to deceive, and take as many as will into the pit with him, not try to defeat The Father and His Son. When our Lord Jesus said that Satan was judged and like Heb.2:14 that Christ defeated death and the devil, that means Satan has already... lost. You want to know just where all the erroneous ideas that Satan has equal power to God today, and that he still is trying win comes from? It's coming from the pagans who worship the devil. They're the planters of those kind of wrong ideas. Those in Christ today already have the Victory, as long as we don't fall to worship the coming Antichrist/pseudo-Christ, for that is the specific test upon many for today's times.

When he is released after 1000 years he attempts this take over yet again...

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Again, that's only to try and pull as many as will into the pit of destruction along with him. That is the only way he could ever win now. And we know that's not going to happen with everyone, right?

Vet wrote:
" Possibly you really mean, you're not willing to point to Jerusalem as the Babylon harlot, but willing to accept other options? "
Well not entirely Vet, I understand anywhere could become Babylon... even Jerusalem... I just do not see it and some other places as likely candidates. When the two witnesses are killed it is called by God the Sodom of Egypt.. why is it not referred to as Babylon then? Remember at this time.. my options are open.

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Did you know that Jerusalem was originally the city Jebus, a city of the pagan Canaanite Jebusites? Throughout OT Bible study, one of the lessons one should arrive at from God is how He sees Jerusalem. Ezekiel 16 is one of the grandest pictures He gave, and there He covers the harlotry points about Jebus and Jerusalem. In many places in the OT prophets this kind of harlotry label similar to Rev.11:8 is applied upon Jerusalem and her people after they fell away from Him to worship idols. So we should not just forget all that OT history when seeking to understand the Revelation point of view of our Lord Jesus. How He is looking at it is what we should understand, and not how the world or men's doctrines chooses to look at it.

also... Vet wrote:
The Babylon harlot of Rev.17-18 is not established yet, why? Because it is specifically about the biggest event of false idol worship of a false messiah in place of Christ that this world has never been subjected to before. That's going to take place in the city of Jerusalem, which is why that harlot idea has a specific timeline fulfillment only for when the false messiah / Antichrist arrives there, and places the abomination that maketh desolate"

This is very interesting Vet.... I will keep this and consider it and then keep it...

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If you consider that in conjunction with all the descriptions about the false one coming in the end which our Lord Jesus and His Apostles gave elsewhere, it will mean a whole lot more.

Veteran wrote: " His purpose now is to deceive, and take as many as will into the pit with him, not try to defeat The Father and His Son. When our Lord Jesus said that Satan was judged and like Heb.2:14 that Christ defeated death and the devil, that means Satan has already... lost. You want to know just where all the erroneous ideas that Satan has equal power to God today, and that he still is trying win comes from? It's coming from the pagans who worship the devil "

that means Satan has already... lost. agreed but it does not mean he knows he has lost.


You want to know just where all the erroneous ideas that Satan has equal power to God today, and that he still is trying win comes from? It's coming from the pagans who worship the devil " agreed

SEE, I think he thinks he can out think God. Armageddon occurs because he thinks he can win... what wise person would start a war with someone he has no chance of winning? The only way to win is to not make war.
understanding, intelligence and wisdom are three different this... women are more adept at conversation than men are...generally speaking. And it is why women desire conversation. Consider Satan with great understanding, a woman's aptitude for conversation and with severe intelligence but lacking wisdom teeth. For it is so very un-wise to do what prophecy says he will do.

terry said:

Veteran wrote: " His purpose now is to deceive, and take as many as will into the pit with him, not try to defeat The Father and His Son. When our Lord Jesus said that Satan was judged and like Heb.2:14 that Christ defeated death and the devil, that means Satan has already... lost. You want to know just where all the erroneous ideas that Satan has equal power to God today, and that he still is trying win comes from? It's coming from the pagans who worship the devil "

that means Satan has already... lost. agreed but it does not mean he knows he has lost.


You want to know just where all the erroneous ideas that Satan has equal power to God today, and that he still is trying win comes from? It's coming from the pagans who worship the devil " agreed

SEE, I think he thinks he can out think God. Armageddon occurs because he thinks he can win... what wise person would start a war with someone he has no chance of winning? The only way to win is to not make war.
understanding, intelligence and wisdom are three different this... women are more adept at conversation than men are...generally speaking. And it is why women desire conversation. Consider Satan with great understanding, a woman's aptitude for conversation and with severe intelligence but lacking wisdom teeth. For it is so very un-wise to do what prophecy says he will do.

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I think it also means he already knows. It's only that he still stands as our accuser before God against us, and God still has a use for him, i.e., to do pruning for Him. It's just in his nature to destroy, like the Isaiah prophecy says.

OK, this is speculation I'll use right now. If a wicked person knew they were defeated, would they still be inclined to cause as much trouble as they could until they're done away with? Most of the wicked would I'd say, especially... if it included disrupting those they were against. Since Satan is given the power to disrupt the deceived of God's people, and God allows them to be deceived, would Satan carry that out by his own heart too though knowing his own end? Yes, I think so.

There is a special reason why Satan will direct the Armageddon attack upon God's people on the last day of this world. It will be because of the Testimony for Christ by God's two witnesses and Christ's Church here on earth, for some of us are to be delivered up to give a Witness by The Holy Spirit. That event is going to anger him. Will that show that he has lost then? I think so, definitely so. That's when he will mess up by killing God's two witnesses.

Satan is going to be the coming Antichrist/false messiah. That's how the majority of the whole world will bow in worship to him as God. They won't know it's him, not until our Lord Jesus Christ returns later. So with his playing God trying to fool the whole world, would God go around killing people? No! That's when he will mess up with killing God's two witnesses. Lot of people who will have thought he truly is God are going to start wondering when he does that.

Vet wrote:
" OK, this is speculation I'll use right now. If a wicked person knew they were defeated, would they still be inclined to cause as much trouble as they could until they're done away with? Most of the wicked would I'd say, especially... if it included disrupting those they were against. Since Satan is given the power to disrupt the deceived of God's people, and God allows them to be deceived, would Satan carry that out by his own heart too though knowing his own end? Yes, I think so. "

Ok, I see this logic has merit although.... A TEMPER TANTRUM?
OK, this is speculation I'll use right now. If a wicked person knew they were defeated, would they still be inclined to cause as much trouble as they could until they're done away with? ---- Yes, unless they knew that if they dtopped changed their ways and accepted Chris they would not be imprisoned, even though they comitted the crimes already. Especially if they were given a glimpse of Hell.

Knowing the " evil men do " - which he must because he stands before God day and night telling of it.... And that,,,though man does this man can still be accepted to Heaven... Satan must then know he can be accepted also

Proof of this is that after 1000 years he is loosed..


Do you think that right before Jesus comes with ten thousand Angels... Satan is going to face them and say... " OK I am ready to go to Hell !!! " Or rather ..... ok lets get it on... (knowing he loses?)
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Here is my idea of this... Satan is not programmed to only do evil, (ths means he does not know he will lose) yet after Armageddon... those Believers may consider that Satan could only do evil because he was prgrammed for it... Now, Satan with a battery of litegators.. i mean litagaotrs...no... liteagators... wait lit-a-alli-gators..ok.. LAWYERS he ammassed prior to Armageddon... lobby for him claiming he had no alternativefor he did not possess free will.. And so for the knowledge of the people... God has him set free after 1000 years... and to the surprise of the people... Satan with total free will again tries to amass an armky against God. Now if Satan does indeed know of all of this... then I expect when he is loosed he will recruit as many firemen and airconditioner mechanics as possible wuring the season he is freed.
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One more thing... though our understandings differ greatly... not one cross word "at' each other... I wish the entire forum could do that... and thanks for your perspective... right or wrong it will help me understand more clearly!

we are pretty much insync.... he's as good as gone.

The amazing parts to all this is the op[ortunity for us to get to participate and watch there things transpire...yet knowing we have victory over Satan and his entire motley crue. Realizing thaty we engage in an active offensive and emerge victoriouc will be a great honor bestowed us through eternity, rather than just wittin' back if a brew and watchin' it on cnn.

In order to grasp who Babylon the Great is in the book of Revelation, it is necessary to examine the empire of ancient Babylon. At Jeremiah 50, it calls ancient Babylon "a land of graven images".(Jer 50:38) Isaiah 46:1 names two of its gods - Bel and Nebo. At Daniel 5:4, it says concerning Belshazzar and his "grandees", that "they drank wine, and they praised the gods of gold and of silver, copper, iron, wood and stone."

Furthermore, some 70 years earlier, Belshazzar's grandfather, Nebuchadnezzar used divination concerning Jerusalem, for Ezekiel 21:21 says that "the king of Babylon stood still at the crossways, at the head of the two ways, in order to resort to divination. He has shaken the arrows. He has asked by means of the teraphim; he has looked into the liver."

In addition, archaeologists has unearthed the ruins of ancient Babylon, finding out that the fertility goddess Ishtar had at least 180 altars devoted to her alone, notwithstanding all the other gods. An ancient cunieform inscription was unearthed that revealed that there were in Babylon 53 temples of the chief gods, 55 chapels of Marduk, 300 chapels for the earthly deities, 600 for the heavenly deities, 180 altars for the goddess Ishtar, 180 for the gods Nergal and Adad and 12 other altars for different gods.(The Bible as History, W Keller, 1964, pg 301) Thus, ancient Babylon was extremely religious, and in which no decisions were made without looking to one of their gods.

Babylon the Great commits "fornication" with the "kings of the earth" (Rev 17:1, 2) and is portrayed her as a drunken prostitute that is "drunk with the blood of the holy ones and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus".(Rev 17:5, 6) She is drunk with the blood of God's true worshipers. Resembling a woman not faithful to her marriage vows, she has prostituted herself by forming alliances with one political power after another (as for example Cardinal Pacelli did with Hitler on July 20, 1933 that catapulted Hitler to start WWII). So she could not be a political empire, as some claim as America or Rome.

Further, Babylon the Great is wept and mourned over by the "traveling merchants" or greedy commercialism when she is annihilated, "because there no one to buy their full stock anymore."(Rev 18:11) Hence, she could not be a commercial empire or "big business".

Of the mystic Babylon the Great, Revelation 18:23 says that "by your (Babylon the Great) spiritistic practice all the nations were misled." This points to her scope being a global religious empire, for she has infected "all the nations" of the earth by her "spiritistic practice".

Moreover, Revelation 18:24 says that "in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.” Thence, this global (false) religious empire long predates any political government that has existed, going all the way back to Abel. Our Creator, Jehovah God, holds her responsible for the all those who have been slaughtered, showing her as massively blood guilty. One newspaper stated: “The bloodiest and most dangerous disputes today . . . are wrapped in religion.” The lives of millions have been snuffed out in religiously supported conflicts.

Thus, the clues provide evidence that Babylon the Great is a world wide false religious empire that "has made all the nations drink of the anger of her fornication".(Rev 14:8) Her influence has impacted every continent, nation and island of the sea. Her false religious teachings and doctrines has made the masses "drunk" throughout the earth. These are under her influence, accepting false religious beliefs with many believing these are based on the Bible, such as the immortality of the soul, hellfire, Trinity, to name a few.

Many are unaware that they are part of a global false religious empire that has been judged as worthy of destruction in the near future by God.(Rev 17:16, 17; 18:8) Hence, he gives this warning: "Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind."(Rev 18:4, 5)