Was Noah's flood global?

Truth7t7 · Jan 16, 2024

Peterlag said:
Good Point

Please explain how fossil fish ended up 29,000 feet above sea level on Mount everest in the Himalayas?

My explanation is seen below, God's words are true, (Noah's Flood Was Global)

Genesis 7:19-23KJV
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

(Noah's Global Flood)

Genesis 7:20KJV
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

WEATHER NEWS

Why Are There Fish Fossils High Up In The Himalayas?

By Mishana Khot

29 June, 2018

Representative image (skeeze/Pixabay)

The mighty Himalayas, also known as ‘The Roof of the World’, rise up to an incredible height, disappearing into the clouds on some days. Some of the world’s highest peaks are in the Himalayas, including Mount Everest, which at 29,029 feet is the highest mountain in the world. At these altitudes, the air is thin, and the temperatures are extreme. The land is arid and brown, and it looks like it’s been this way since the beginning of time. These mighty mountains are hundreds of miles away from the closest sea. So how is it possible that marine fossils have been found in multiple locations in the Himalayas?

Back when a huge fossilized whale was found on a California mountaintop (1899)

May 21, 2019

Fossilized whale found in Monterey County, California

A fossil whale’s head, the remains of oysters and other things of the sea have just been unearthed in Monterey County, at a place 2300 feet above the sea level and eighteen miles inland from the present coastline.

The Fossils On Katahdin In Maine That Still Spark Debate With Geologists To This Day

By Chris Dodge|Published August 08, 2022

Way up the mountain where the trees start to thin out fossils can be found.
Not your typical dinosaur bones but sea life. Muscles, coral, and sea shells have been found pressed hard into the rock.

Questions arise with this interesting find. How did sea life get fossilized way up high on Mount Katahdin?

The Geology of Baxter State Park and Mount Katahdin
It’s an interesting question that beckons us to examine it closer. Speculation has been presented that Katahdin was once a volcano or the effects of Tectonioc Plates shifting. Most scientists will agree that much of Maine’s beautiful landscape was shaped by massive glacier runoff. What or how did that happen is a spark of debate.

Reuters

Fossils of giant marine reptiles found high in the Swiss Alps

Will Dunham
April 28, 2022

(Reuters) - Fossils from some of the largest creatures ever to swim Earth's oceans - whale-sized marine reptiles called ichthyosaurs - have been found in a counterintuitive place: atop three mountains in the Swiss Alps up to 8,990 feet (2,740 meters) above sea level.

Peterlag · Jan 16, 2024

Truth7t7 said:
Please explain how fossil fish ended up 29,000 feet above sea level on Mount everest in the Himalayas?

My explanation is seen below, God's words are true, (Noah's Flood Was Global)

Genesis 7:19-23KJV
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

(Noah's Global Flood)

Genesis 7:20KJV
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

WEATHER NEWS
Why Are There Fish Fossils High Up In The Himalayas?
By Mishana Khot
29 June, 2018

Representative image (skeeze/Pixabay)

The mighty Himalayas, also known as ‘The Roof of the World’, rise up to an incredible height, disappearing into the clouds on some days. Some of the world’s highest peaks are in the Himalayas, including Mount Everest, which at 29,029 feet is the highest mountain in the world. At these altitudes, the air is thin, and the temperatures are extreme. The land is arid and brown, and it looks like it’s been this way since the beginning of time. These mighty mountains are hundreds of miles away from the closest sea. So how is it possible that marine fossils have been found in multiple locations in the Himalayas?

Back when a huge fossilized whale was found on a California mountaintop (1899)
May 21, 2019

Fossilized whale found in Monterey County, California
A fossil whale’s head, the remains of oysters and other things of the sea have just been unearthed in Monterey County, at a place 2300 feet above the sea level and eighteen miles inland from the present coastline.

The Fossils On Katahdin In Maine That Still Spark Debate With Geologists To This Day
By Chris Dodge|Published August 08, 2022

Way up the mountain where the trees start to thin out fossils can be found.
Not your typical dinosaur bones but sea life. Muscles, coral, and sea shells have been found pressed hard into the rock.

Questions arise with this interesting find. How did sea life get fossilized way up high on Mount Katahdin?

The Geology of Baxter State Park and Mount Katahdin
It’s an interesting question that beckons us to examine it closer. Speculation has been presented that Katahdin was once a volcano or the effects of Tectonioc Plates shifting. Most scientists will agree that much of Maine’s beautiful landscape was shaped by massive glacier runoff. What or how did that happen is a spark of debate.

Reuters
Fossils of giant marine reptiles found high in the Swiss Alps
Will Dunham
April 28, 2022

(Reuters) - Fossils from some of the largest creatures ever to swim Earth's oceans - whale-sized marine reptiles called ichthyosaurs - have been found in a counterintuitive place: atop three mountains in the Swiss Alps up to 8,990 feet (2,740 meters) above sea level.

We are not the first on this planet. Something was here way before we were and we know this because we find all kinds of bones going back a very long time. Adam and Eve only showed up about 6 thousand years ago.

Truth7t7 · Jan 16, 2024

Peterlag said:
We are not the first on this planet. Something was here way before we were and we know this because we find all kinds of bones going back a very long time. Adam and Eve only showed up about 6 thousand years ago.

God created living dinosaurs that walked with man, they also were drowned in Noah's flood, yes there was a pair of unclean Brontasaurus on the ark also

You every hear of a Godless man's fairy tale, it starts with the words Millions and Millions of years ago, smiles!

A clear explanation of Brontasaurus below:

Job 40:15-24KJV
15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

Peterlag · Jan 17, 2024

Truth7t7 said:
God created living dinosaurs that walked with man, they also were drowned in Noah's flood, yes there was a pair of unclean Brontasaurus on the ark also

You every hear of a Godless man's fairy tale, it starts with the words Millions and Millions of years ago, smiles!

A clear explanation of Brontasaurus below:

Job 40:15-24KJV
15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

I wonder if the word "replenish" that means "to make full or complete again" was translated correctly in Genesis 1:28.

Stumpmaster · Jan 17, 2024

Peterlag said:
I wonder if the word "replenish" that means "to make full or complete again" was translated correctly in Genesis 1:28.

I like the word replenish, and the action it describes.

Mosheli · Jan 17, 2024

The Learner said:
Eretz (Hebrew: ארץ) is Hebrew for "land", "country" (with the definite article, HaAretz (Hebrew: הארץ, "the land").

The word can be taken that way (like in the land of Goshen) but it can also/alternatively be taken to mean the Earth as in Genesis 1:1. I looked up the Septuagint and it has Ge/Gen/Ges (Gaea/Gaia) which is also the Earth. I was going to look up Josephus too but then I realized they didn't know the whole world in his days so even if he said the whole world it can't be proven.
This is typical impossible to prove either way like many other subjects. Sometimes I wonder if there really is a God when he made things so unprovable and he allows lies/untruths to reign.
To me the bits I underlined in all the verses of Genesis 6-9 surely imply a global flood, but I can see how others can argue a local/regional one.

The word eretz occurs all through Genesis 1 and 2 but I don't see people saying it was only a local/regional creation of a section of the earth.

Truth7t7 · Jan 17, 2024

Peterlag said:
I wonder if the word "replenish" that means "to make full or complete again" was translated correctly in Genesis 1:28.

As Strongs put it, to "Fill" or be "Full Of"

Genesis 1:28KJV Strongs (Replenish)

Lexicon :: Strong's H4390 - mālā'

Strong's
Red Letter

מָלָא

Transliteration

mālā'
Pronunciation

maw-lay'
LISTEN
Part of Speech

verb
Root Word (Etymology)
A primitive root
Dictionary Aids
TWOT Reference: 1195
Strong's Info
Strong’s Definitions
מָלֵא mâlêʼ, maw-lay'; or מָלָא mâlâʼ; (Esther 7:5), a primitive root; to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively):—accomplish, confirm, consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, × draw, give in, go) full(-ly, -ly set, tale), (over-) flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a (hand-) full, have wholly.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 249x
The KJV translates Strong's H4390 in the following manner: fill (107x), full (48x), fulfil (28x), consecrate (15x), accomplish (7x), replenish (7x), wholly (6x), set (6x), expired (3x), fully (2x), gather (2x), overflow (2x), satisfy (2x), miscellaneous (14x).

Truth7t7 · Jan 17, 2024

The Learner said:
Mountian rising was already explained. Fossils would not have came into existence from a flood.

Sure, mount everest just rose 29,000 feet out of the sea and behold we have fossil fish perfectly preserved, smiles!

The Learner · Jan 18, 2024

Truth7t7 said:
Please explain how fossil fish ended up 29,000 feet above sea level on Mount everest in the Himalayas?

My explanation is seen below, God's words are true, (Noah's Flood Was Global)

Genesis 7:19-23KJV
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

(Noah's Global Flood)

Genesis 7:20KJV
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

WEATHER NEWS
Why Are There Fish Fossils High Up In The Himalayas?
By Mishana Khot
29 June, 2018

Representative image (skeeze/Pixabay)

The mighty Himalayas, also known as ‘The Roof of the World’, rise up to an incredible height, disappearing into the clouds on some days. Some of the world’s highest peaks are in the Himalayas, including Mount Everest, which at 29,029 feet is the highest mountain in the world. At these altitudes, the air is thin, and the temperatures are extreme. The land is arid and brown, and it looks like it’s been this way since the beginning of time. These mighty mountains are hundreds of miles away from the closest sea. So how is it possible that marine fossils have been found in multiple locations in the Himalayas?

Back when a huge fossilized whale was found on a California mountaintop (1899)
May 21, 2019

Fossilized whale found in Monterey County, California
A fossil whale’s head, the remains of oysters and other things of the sea have just been unearthed in Monterey County, at a place 2300 feet above the sea level and eighteen miles inland from the present coastline.

The Fossils On Katahdin In Maine That Still Spark Debate With Geologists To This Day
By Chris Dodge|Published August 08, 2022

Way up the mountain where the trees start to thin out fossils can be found.
Not your typical dinosaur bones but sea life. Muscles, coral, and sea shells have been found pressed hard into the rock.

Questions arise with this interesting find. How did sea life get fossilized way up high on Mount Katahdin?

The Geology of Baxter State Park and Mount Katahdin
It’s an interesting question that beckons us to examine it closer. Speculation has been presented that Katahdin was once a volcano or the effects of Tectonioc Plates shifting. Most scientists will agree that much of Maine’s beautiful landscape was shaped by massive glacier runoff. What or how did that happen is a spark of debate.

Reuters
Fossils of giant marine reptiles found high in the Swiss Alps
Will Dunham
April 28, 2022

(Reuters) - Fossils from some of the largest creatures ever to swim Earth's oceans - whale-sized marine reptiles called ichthyosaurs - have been found in a counterintuitive place: atop three mountains in the Swiss Alps up to 8,990 feet (2,740 meters) above sea level.

"The summit of Mount Everest was actually the seafloor 470 million years ago! That's right, the rock that comprises the "summit pyramid" or uppermost part of Mount Everest is gray limestone that was deposited on the northern continental shelf of northern India during the early to middle Ordovician Period of the Paleozoic Era,"

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THE ANALYSIS

While the post claims fossils on Mount Everest are evidence of global flooding, scientists say they are actually proof of the earth’s constant change as a result of plate tectonics.

This theory holds that the earth’s outer crust is formed by plates which slowly move over a molten upper layer of the planet’s interior. Mountains are formed by the collision of two plates, which slowly create the rock formations over millions of years.

It is true that remnants of ancient sea life have been found fossilised on Everest, the world’s highest point above sea level. These include fragments of extinct and existing marine animals including trilobites, ostracods and crinoids – although all three are invertebrates not fish."

Nothing fishy about ancient marine fossils on Everest

A widely shared meme claims

www.aap.com.au

"
Continental drift

Millions of years ago, a massive geological event called the Continental Drift took place. Before this, the world as we know it didn’t exist. Instead, there were supercontinents or gigantic land masses that comprised of the continents that we know today."

"As the land mass continued to plow north and collide with Asia, the ocean was slowly raised up and drained, eventually being lifted up to form the Himalayan Mountains. The land mass, which is still moving north and forcing the land ahead of it upwards, is known as the Indian subcontinent. The presence of limestone and ocean marine fossils at the top of these mountains is one of the key pieces of evidence cited that advanced the idea of plate tectonics (large chunks of the Earth’s surface moving over molten rock in the Earth’s core) when it was first proposed as a theory in 1915."

Mt. Everest

earthobservatory.nasa.gov

The Learner · Jan 18, 2024

Truth7t7 said:
God created living dinosaurs that walked with man, they also were drowned in Noah's flood, yes there was a pair of unclean Brontasaurus on the ark also

You every hear of a Godless man's fairy tale, it starts with the words Millions and Millions of years ago, smiles!

A clear explanation of Brontasaurus below:

Job 40:15-24KJV
15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

The Brontosaurus had an overall length between 69'-75' (21-23 m), standing height of 26.6'-28.9' (8.1-8.8 m), body width of 6.6'-7.4' (2-2.25 m), and weight from 34,000-50,000 lb (15,422-22,680 kg). The typical lifespan of the Brontosaurus was between 80-100 years. It eats 1,150 pounds of vegetation a day.

How big was the ark?

The Learner · Jan 18, 2024

Behemoth, in the Old Testament, a powerful, grass-eating animal whose “bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like bars of iron” (Job 40:18). Among various Jewish legends, one relates that the righteous will witness a spectacular battle between Behemoth and Leviathan in the messianic era and later feast upon their flesh. Some sources identify Behemoth, who dwells in the marsh and is not frightened by the turbulent river Jordan, as a hippopotamus and Leviathan as a crocodile, whale, or snake.

LEVIATHAN AND BEHEMOTH - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

jewishencyclopedia.com

https://study.com/academy/lesson/behemoth-overview-mythology-description.html

The Learner · Jan 18, 2024

Peterlag said:
I wonder if the word "replenish" that means "to make full or complete again" was translated correctly in Genesis 1:28.

Genesis 1:28
Easy-to-Read Version
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Have many children. Fill the earth and take control of it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the air. Rule over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

The Hebrew simply means to fill.

The Learner · Jan 18, 2024

Truth7t7 said:
Sure, mount everest just rose 29,000 feet out of the sea and behold we have fossil fish perfectly preserved, smiles!

Yep, that is what the evidence shows us.

The Learner · Jan 18, 2024

Limestone

https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2008/3089/fs2008-3089.pdf

Marine Waters
The most common place to find limestone is beneath the marine waters. Ocean conditions form the rock as organisms, animal skeletons, and calcium carbonate combine. The shells and other items build up over time and harden into a limestone deposit on a larger scale.

Where Is Limestone Found?

Limestone is a natural stone that can be found under marine waters or in caves. Once it is mined and quarried, it ends up at Impression.

www.limestone.com

Limestone: Rock Uses, Formation, Composition, Pictures

Limestone is a sedimentary rock that forms by both chemical and biological processes. It has many uses in agriculture and industry.

geology.com

Limestone takes 2 to 10 years to form. Limestone: The Calcium Carbonate Chemical Sedimentary Rock

Truth7t7 · Jan 19, 2024

The Learner said:
"The summit of Mount Everest was actually the seafloor 470 million years ago!

I Disagree, Noah's flood deposited marine life on mountains around the world

Truth7t7 · Jan 19, 2024

The Learner said:
How big was the ark?

A Biblical cubit is 18"

L 450ft, W 75ft, H 45ft

Genesis 6:15KJV
15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

Taken · Jan 19, 2024

Was Noah's flood global?

Global, Entire Earth covered in Water?

Yes.

Earth is dry Land.
Water pouring down from the heavens.
Water upon the Earth.
Water rising up from in the Earth.
Water fifteen cubits above the Earthen mountain tops.
Water upon water.
Dry Earth no longer Dry; Destroyed.

The First Great Tribulation sent By God…
The First Time God Saved manKind, by rising man up to the Clouds..
The Ark in the clouds upon the Face of the Waters…

Yes, the Flood was Global.
Yes, the Second and Last Great Tribulation sent By God will be Global.
Yes, Again God shall Save manKind, by rising man up to the Clouds.

Matt 24:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Rom 1:
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken · Jan 19, 2024

Truthnightmare said:
But what happens when people interpret the same word differently? I don’t believe the flood was worldwide, but of course I could be wrong.

Before the Flood, Land was one mass, not the separated land masses today called continents and islands.

After the Flood the One land mass began separating.
In Peleg’s Day of existence Land masses were notably separated.

Gen 10:
[25] And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

Generationally from Noah to Peleg the One Land mass was separating.

Generations;
Noah
Shem
Arpachshad
Selah
Eber
Peleg

Glory to God,
Taken

TonyChanYT · Jan 19, 2024

Taken said:
Global, Entire Earth covered in Water?

Yes.

See If you think that Noah's flood was global, then bet on it and follow up there

The Learner · Jan 19, 2024

Truth7t7 said:
I Disagree, Noah's flood deposited marine life on mountains around the world

The limestone is too thick to form within the limits of time. The erosion is also, too great too. The fosils you claimed were fish were not.

Everest Summit Limestone

Most people I talk to about geology are aware that the Himalaya formed by the buckling and uplift of crust caught up in the India-Asia coll...

suvratk.blogspot.com

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230022213_Geology_of_the_summit_limestone_of_Mount_Qomolangma_Everest_and_cooling_history_of_the_Yellow_Band_under_the_Qomolangma_detachment

https://www2.tulane.edu/~sanelson/eens1110/deform.htm

The Geology of Mount Everest - Metageologist

Growing up, I was mildly obsessed with Mount Everest. Even now I marvel at its wonderful geology. Looking at that, who can blame me? My youthful obsession was fuelled by books of British expeditions in the 1970s climbing it by various routes with varying levels of success. The photos were the...

all-geo.org

https://www.earth.ox.ac.uk/~davewa/research/himal/everest-lrw.html

Sorry, Scienctific facts blows you out of the water. Decades ago, I check the references in Morris'book and they did not pan out.

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Why Are There Fish Fossils High Up In The Himalayas?​

By Mishana Khot​

29 June, 2018​

Back when a huge fossilized whale was found on a California mountaintop (1899)​

Fossilized whale found in Monterey County, California​

The Fossils On Katahdin In Maine That Still Spark Debate With Geologists To This Day​

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Reuters​

Fossils of giant marine reptiles found high in the Swiss Alps​

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Why Are There Fish Fossils High Up In The Himalayas?​

By Mishana Khot​

29 June, 2018​

Back when a huge fossilized whale was found on a California mountaintop (1899)​

Fossilized whale found in Monterey County, California​

The Fossils On Katahdin In Maine That Still Spark Debate With Geologists To This Day​

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Reuters​

Fossils of giant marine reptiles found high in the Swiss Alps​

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Lexicon :: Strong's H4390 - mālā'​

מָלָא​

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Why Are There Fish Fossils High Up In The Himalayas?​

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Back when a huge fossilized whale was found on a California mountaintop (1899)​

Fossilized whale found in Monterey County, California​

The Fossils On Katahdin In Maine That Still Spark Debate With Geologists To This Day​

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Fossils of giant marine reptiles found high in the Swiss Alps​

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