Where does the Pope get his authority?

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The Learner

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A study of the history of the Christian Church shows a definite development in the doctrine of the Trinity over the centuries. For example, the early form of the Apostles Creed (believed to date back to shortly after the time of the apostles themselves) does not mention the Trinity or the dual nature of Christ. The Nicene Creed that was written in 325 AD and modified later added the material about Jesus Christ being “eternally begotten” and the "true God” and about the Holy Spirit being “Lord.” But it was the Athanasian Creed that was most likely composed in the latter part of the 4th century or possibly even as early as the 5th century that was the first creed to explicitly state the doctrine of the Trinity.

It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible and in the earliest Christian creeds if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach. God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity.
friend, I already posted quotes from the Church Fathers which has proven you wrong.
 

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John 21:25
Jesus also did many other things. If people wrote about all those things, there would be very many books. I do not think that the whole world would have enough room for all those books.
This is your logic. You are right and it does not have to be in the Bible. I'm wrong because you proved me wrong because you are right.
 
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Peterlag

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A study of God's original text reveals... God has said of Himself He is Father, Word, Spirit all along.

One need to simply decide do they want to agree with the Lord, or accuse Him of being a liar View attachment 42610

That is the only question at hand... View attachment 42611
The word "Father" is not a life form. I can't say I'm a son, uncle, and a brother and therefore there's 3 of me.
 

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Well, just a side note, but the original Bible wasn't written in English. I hope you know that.

My point, which it seems I failed to make with you (my fault), is that there are two expressions of the Word of God (the Word of God is not a book, but Someone, namely, Jesus Christ). One is Written Tradition and one is Oral Tradition (see 2 Thes 2:15). The New Testament was taken from the Oral Tradition (oral teachings of the Church given her by Christ). SOME of what was taught orally was eventually written down. And it was the Catholic Church that Jesus created that preceded the New Testament, not vice versa.
I believe the Catholics have nothing to do with the Christ.
 

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Colossians 1:27

Easy-to-Read Version

27 God decided to let his people know just how rich and glorious that truth is. That secret truth, which is for all people, is that Christ lives in you, his people. He is our hope for glory.
Read full chapter
 

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The Pope is still sick...... and that's putting it mildly.

Meanwhile-- he defrocks a Priest who leads a Pro-Life group-- Priests for Life, an anti-abortion group. The Pope removed him for being too much of an activist on the abortion issue, and too much of an advocate for Trump.

This Pope only likes certain kinds of activists and advocates..... and it's never for anything good.

Meanwhile-- he was hospitalized and is having someone else wave out the window for him this week.


Pavone’s dismissal from the priesthood garnered significant attention in part because Priests for Life is one of the most influential Catholic pro-life groups in the country.

 
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The problem with that is the Bible does not say Jesus was 100 percent God and a 100 percent man.
First of all - the Bible DOES reveal that Jesus is fully God and fully man. YOUR refusal to believe it lies in the fact that there are too many "scattered" verses that prove these things abd no verse that liteally says, "Jesus is 100% God and 100% man."
The Bible provides both explicit and implicit teaching. For your information, the word "Bible" isn't in the Bible - and neither is "Chapter and Verse". Are these NOT still truths??

I have already provided over a dozen verses that prove my point about the duvunity and humanity of Jesus. On the other hand - YOU have presented NOTHING to the contrary but your opinions.

Finally - YOU need to show me where the Bible teaches that the Bible is our SOLE Authority.
Unfortunately for YOU, this is a 16th century man-made invention and NOT a Biblical truth . . .
 
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I believe the Catholics have nothing to do with the Christ.
That's because you disregard su much of Scripture as "scattered" verses and refuse to accept that it is the inerrant Word of Almightly GOD.
 
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Well, they do think mary is equal to Jesus and she never sinned

Of course they be mistaken and fakin the bacon View attachment 42739
Funny thing is that I've asked you about a dozen times to show me that teaching from the Catechism - and you have FAILRD miserably each tim.

You know what God says about LIARS, don't you?
Rev 21:8

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARSthey will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Better wear your asbestos pajamas . . .
 
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Francis has had a number of health issues in recent months.

He was forced to cancel a planned trip to a COP28 climate meeting in Dubai at the start of December because of the effects of influenza and lung inflammation.

In January, he was unable to complete a speech owing to "a touch of bronchitis."

On Saturday the 87-year-old pope delegated the reading of a speech at a ceremony to an aide, and on Wednesday he made a brief trip to a Rome hospital after he missed reading at his weekly audience, saying he had "a bit of cold."


Let's see..... he's 87 and hasn't been well for more than 3 months.

Shall we call a conclave?
 
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First of all - the Bible DOES reveal that Jesus is fully God and fully man. YOUR refusal to believe it lies in the fact that there are too many "scattered" verses that prove these things abd no verse that liteally says, "Jesus is 100% God and 100% man."
The Bible provides both explicit and implicit teaching. For your information, the word "Bible" isn't in the Bible - and neither is "Chapter and Verse". Are these NOT still truths??

I have already provided over a dozen verses that prove my point about the duvunity and humanity of Jesus. On the other hand - YOU have presented NOTHING to the contrary but your opinions.

Finally - YOU need to show me where the Bible teaches that the Bible is our SOLE Authority.
Unfortunately for YOU, this is a 16th century man-made invention and NOT a Biblical truth . . .
You have provided pieces of verses scattered all over the Bible. But you have not proven any point since all of those verses are twisted, or a bad translation or not understood how the words are used in the culture of their time. I provide much to say about every verse you post. To say that I don't is just a lie.
 

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You have provided pieces of verses scattered all over the Bible. But you have not proven any point since all of those verses are twisted, or a bad translation or not understood how the words are used in the culture of their time. I provide much to say about every verse you post. To say that I don't is just a lie.
Peterlag, all you've shown is that your personal interpretation/opinion differs. You've proven nothing either. If everything could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, there would be no room for faith. Faith is believing something we cannot absolutely prove, but true faith is not credulity, i.e., believing for no reason. We must have reasons why we believe what we believe. Faith and reason go together.
 
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