Prophecy Against the Great Nation, Ishmael

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Here's an excerpt of an interesting prophecy against the nation, Ishmael.

"Behold, The Lord is high and lifted up! The Lord has seen the travail of His people, and remembered the sins and blasphemy of the wicked one and those who follow him, those who have given heed to his lies and subtle deceptions... The Lord God has seen and He has heard, and He will not forget!
Yes, He has remembered the blood which stains the hands of the people of violence, and has remembered their deeds and will not forget their iniquity! For they have lifted up their countenances against The God of Israel, and in their great arrogance they say within themselves, “We will ascend above the mountains of Israel and defile the land! We shall slay the descendants of Jacob, and destroy all his pleasant plants! We shall pull them up by the roots and cast off Israel from being a nation, forever!”
Yet The God of Israel has seen it, YaHuWaH has heard it and shall surely repay! He shall recompense their every deed upon their own heads, and turn all their plans back on their own people! For The Lord God Himself shall come out of His place and fight against them!




Behold the great nation, says The Lord; look upon the multitudes of Ishmael!...

They are numerous and mighty and without remorse,
Many nations and peoples who surround the land,
A perverse people who practice abomination!...

Lo, five times per day they bow down and praise their god,
By the spirit of him who was cast down!...

Thus the one who shall stomp upon The Holy Covenant has come,
And shall soon make peace with you, O sons of Ishmael,
But there shall be no peace."



Excerpt from:

Prophecy Against the Great Nation, Ishmael

http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=Prophecy_Against_the_Great_Nation%2C_Ishmael
 

HeRoseFromTheDead

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Arnie Manitoba said:
That is simply a sermonette in somebodies head

Not a prophet.
What's funny is that people who get into this OT prophet mode think they're being super spiritual or something, yet don't realize that the prophets saw nothing in comparison to what we see. Not only see, but what we actually are. We have the very focus of OT prophecy living within us. We see, but we see through a glass darkly. If we see, but only see partially, how much less did the OT prophets see, from whom the mystery of GOD was hidden?

Regurgitating fulfilled OT prophecies with a modern-day spin is not prophecy. Prophecy is proclaiming the reality, glory and manifestation of Christ.

I think postings like this are the Internet equivalent of a not-yet-existent OT prophets reality TV series.
 

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Is the comma in "Here's an excerpt of an interesting prophecy against the nation, Ishmael." just another act of cultish silliness, or is it just a faithfully retained typo?
 

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Trumpeter said:
Here's an excerpt of an interesting prophecy against the nation, Ishmael.



O.T.Prophets Foretold the word of God. N.T. Prophets tell forth the word of God.
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
What's funny is that people who get into this OT prophet mode think they're being super spiritual or something, yet don't realize that the prophets saw nothing in comparison to what we see. Not only see, but what we actually are. We have the very focus of OT prophecy living within us. We see, but we see through a glass darkly. If we see, but only see partially, how much less did the OT prophets see, from whom the mystery of GOD was hidden?

Regurgitating fulfilled OT prophecies with a modern-day spin is not prophecy. Prophecy is proclaiming the reality, glory and manifestation of Christ.

I think postings like this are the Internet equivalent of a not-yet-existent OT prophets reality TV series.

Joel 2:28
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
KJV
Acts 2:16
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
KJV
 

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afaithfulone4u said:
Joel 2:28
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
KJV
Acts 2:16
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
KJV
The spirit was poured out on all flesh nearly 2000 years ago at Pentecost, and is still being poured out. That is what that prophecy is referring to. The spirit of prophecy is the witness of Jesus Christ. Up until Christ, John the baptist was the greatest prophet that ever lived, and what did he do? He bore witness of Christ.
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
The spirit was poured out on all flesh nearly 2000 years ago at Pentecost, and is still being poured out. That is what that prophecy is referring to. The spirit of prophecy is the witness of Jesus Christ. Up until Christ, John the baptist was the greatest prophet that ever lived, and what did he do? He bore witness of Christ.
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Revelation 1:2
2. Who bare record of the Word of God, and of the testimony of Yeshua Christou, and of all things that he saw.
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
The spirit was poured out on all flesh nearly 2000 years ago at Pentecost, and is still being poured out. That is what that prophecy is referring to. The spirit of prophecy is the witness of Jesus Christ. Up until Christ, John the baptist was the greatest prophet that ever lived, and what did he do? He bore witness of Christ.
Not totally correct. Apostle Peter said it was an example... of the Joel prophecy that was manifested on Pentecost. The actual timeline of the prophecy in Joel is for the very END... of this present world, not 2000 years ago.


Why do so many miss the following prophecy about some being delivered up for the future tribulation time?


Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
(KJV)
 

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veteran said:
Not totally correct. Apostle Peter said it was an example... of the Joel prophecy that was manifested on Pentecost. The actual timeline of the prophecy in Joel is for the very END... of this present world, not 2000 years ago.


Why do so many miss the following prophecy about some being delivered up for the future tribulation time?


Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
(KJV)
Those verses in Mark have occurred in various places for nearly 2000 years. You have such a myopic world view.
 

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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.




Those verses in Mark have occurred in various places for nearly 2000 years. You have such a myopic world view.
True: But in no way even close as to how they will apply when the Anti-Christ begins marauding.




Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
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No buying or selling, no food, gas, no electrical power....& many put to death because they would not bow down to Allah as Jahweh......multitudes beheaded....right here in America...& he is here today...preparing......presenting himself to world Islamic leaders in Egypt, Pakistan, Turkey....& elsewhere...& when they see him...they will receive him as the 12th Immam...Osama Bin Laden.....Prepare....
 

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Brothertom said:
Osama Bin Laden.....Prepare....
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ChristRoseFromTheDead said:
Those verses in Mark have occurred in various places for nearly 2000 years. You have such a myopic world view.
You mean Scripture that was 'written'... 2000 years ago means it was only for the time... of 2000 years ago? Talk about myopic tunnel vision!@*!

You make yourself self-evident to me and others here as to your lack of Biblical understanding.

Tell me just ONE example of man's literature that can compare to Psalms 22 where God through His servant David prophesied about the events of Christ's crucifixion, even down to the soldiers casting lots on Christ's robes, which was written down about 1,000 years PRIOR to it coming to pass!
 

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You mean Scripture that was 'written'... 2000 years ago means it was only for the time... of 2000 years ago? Talk about myopic tunnel vision!@*!
That's not what I said at all. Reread what I wrote.
 

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And to YOU, O insolent and evil-hearted men of satan and Ishmael, I say this: I shall destroy you in one swift stroke! Even by the word of My mouth shall you be cut asunder! For I have looked upon you, O kings, chief princes and men in authority, adopted sons of Ishmael; I have beheld your image... You will not turn!
You have forsaken The One TRUE God! Behold, you cease not from persecuting Me! For I have seen how you tread upon the backs of the poor and afflict the needy, with a continual stroke! And so The Father has declared your end! And He shall not repent!... JUDGMENT! Says The Lord.

Excerpt from:

A Great Harvest in the Midst of Great Desolations...Salvation and Judgment

http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=A_Great_Harvest_in_the_Midst_of_Great_Desolations...Salvation_and_Judgment
 

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Prophets in the OT were not fortunetellers. The did not foretell the future. They were put in place by God as a warning post for His people. the message was always the same - repent or face the natural consequences of your rebellion. Prophets were hated by leaders and the people because they were constant reminders of the rebellion and sins of the people. We no longer need prophets because the Holy Spirit was sent to us to build the Kingdom of God in our hearts - no longer is rebellion and sin confronted from the outside - God is working on changing us from the inside. Christians that spend all their time and energy divining secret knowledge about the future from the Bible are just reading tea leaves. Stop wasting time trying to see the future and get back to practicing you sanctification by loving God and neighbor.
 

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My people are slain and disemboweled and paraded through the streets, hung upon the walls as trophies and spoils of war, IN THE NAME OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, according to the name by which I am called among them. Yet I am not their God. And though I AM, even God alone, Allah is NOT My name! For this "allah" is no god! He is an idol, the works of men written in a book, a graven image!... Oh sons of Ishmael, you have all become sons of perdition, adopted children of satan, from which your religion came forth. Your prophet was deceived by the devil; at no time did he hear My voice, I sent no messenger to him... You are all deceived, acolytes of satan, sons of Cain!

Did I not choose Isaac and send Ishmael away? Did I not preserve Isaac from sacrifice, and provide The Lamb? Was not Abraham's fear of The Lord perfect among his generations? Yet you do not fear Me, and for My people you have no regard... Is Israel a homeborn slave in your eyes?! Did Jacob steal your possession by treachery?! Or is it you who has rejected your inheritance?! Thus you are as reprobate silver to Me, and Israel shall be treasured among the nations! And He who sits upon the throne of David shall be Lord over you, forever; for on Mount Zion there shall be deliverance and holiness to The Lord! The descendants of Isaac shall possess your possessions, and the house of Jacob shall rule the land, for My Olive Tree shall overshadow all nations!... Blessed, therefore, are all those who eat of it and seek shelter beneath its branches.

Yet you only conceive violence in your heart against your neighbor, and murderous thoughts against your own brother! Behold only hate fills your heart, and abhorrence runs through your veins like poison!... A wild man without conscience! Thus your iniquity has not ceased, and your transgression is increased beyond measure! For it is written, "Your hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against you."


Excerpt from:

The Last Trumpet Before The Time

http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=The_Last_Trumpet_Before_The_Time
 

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Trumpeter.

Your words are beautiful, and are well seeming, yet in the fourth article on your site, you prophesy the Parousia, the return of Yah'shua, and both the quick and the dead being plucked from the earth, was to come in 7 years. That was in 2004. We are 9 years past that time. You have spoken lies in the name of YHVH.


6/04 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

O Timothy, listen as I speak. The time has now come for you to put away your fear, and trample out all things immoral in you, and become the man I want you to be. For the time draws hence, in seven years I send[1] My Son, to pluck[2] from the earth all those both dead and still living, who belong to Me... The rest left to fall under My judgment. Many will perish, do not be sad... For in My judgments they will know I am God, and in this be saved, including everyone for which you and your wife pray daily.



These are Lies, Trumpeter. Yah'shua has not come, not even for you, and it is another lie to prophesy to those that you say are not meeting Yah'shua in the air at His coming in 2011 are to go through the Judgments in order to be saved. It is even worse to put a lie in YHVH's mouth!


I read further into the site you reference, and there are statements that contradict what is written in Scripture. You are a danger to this community of Believers, even though you believe you hear from YHVH, because any error, anything that contradicts the Scriptures, or promises something that did not happen, and yet is spoken as from the mouth of Yah'shua, or YHVH, is a work of the Adversary.

In the name of Yah'shua ben Notsri haMashiach, the Son of the Eternal, I bid you go away, and stay away until you have renewed your mind and spirit in the Scriptures alone, and quote only the Scriptures.

Stop speaking and writing lies meant to deceive the innocent that may come here, and read your words, and go to your site, and lose their salvation as they wander in more well seeming lies.

Stop speaking as if you are the voice of YHVH or Yah'shua lest you bring others to ruin. Again, in the name of Yah'shua, go, and trouble us no more! Amen.


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Questor said:
Trumpeter.

Your words are beautiful, and are well seeming, yet in the fourth article on your site, you prophesy the Parousia, the return of Yah'shua, and both the quick and the dead being plucked from the earth, was to come in 7 years. That was in 2004. We are 9 years past that time. You have spoken lies in the name of YHVH.


6/04 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

O Timothy, listen as I speak. The time has now come for you to put away your fear, and trample out all things immoral in you, and become the man I want you to be. For the time draws hence, in seven years I send[1] My Son, to pluck[2] from the earth all those both dead and still living, who belong to Me... The rest left to fall under My judgment. Many will perish, do not be sad... For in My judgments they will know I am God, and in this be saved, including everyone for which you and your wife pray daily.



These are Lies, Trumpeter. Yah'shua has not come, not even for you, and it is another lie to prophesy to those that you say are not meeting Yah'shua in the air at His coming in 2011 are to go through the Judgments in order to be saved. It is even worse to put a lie in YHVH's mouth!


I read further into the site you reference, and there are statements that contradict what is written in Scripture. You are a danger to this community of Believers, even though you believe you hear from YHVH, because any error, anything that contradicts the Scriptures, or promises something that did not happen, and yet is spoken as from the mouth of Yah'shua, or YHVH, is a work of the Adversary.

In the name of Yah'shua ben Notsri haMashiach, the Son of the Eternal, I bid you go away, and stay away until you have renewed your mind and spirit in the Scriptures alone, and quote only the Scriptures.

Stop speaking and writing lies meant to deceive the innocent that may come here, and read your words, and go to your site, and lose their salvation as they wander in more well seeming lies.

Stop speaking as if you are the voice of YHVH or Yah'shua lest you bring others to ruin. Again, in the name of Yah'shua, go, and trouble us no more! Amen.


Q
Questor -

I think you should have kept reading.

This letter addresses your concerns.


I called out and heard no answer. I created a need, and who among you stepped forward? I pulled upon these strings, and not one was moved...
Therefore, thus says The Lord: I no longer know you, this flock is disbanded... Lo, you are dispersed already. For the word of My correction shall indeed come forth, it shall surely be displayed, even My open rebuke, for in this little flock am I sorely displeased. Yet even now, there is a remnant who shall push through.
Did I not say to you, that your faith was not to stand upon anything, apart from Me? Yet you fixed beams and set up supports beneath it. And behold, each one I knocked down, each one I removed... That your eyes might finally see, that your heart might finally be opened.
Did I not say to you, that I would not let even one word of My prophets fall to the ground? And is it not so?... Even before your eyes I have done it, yet you fail to see. Behold, you built upon your own foundations and walked according to your own expectations, and I knocked you down. Yes, I humbled you and My prophets also, yet not one of their words has fallen to the ground.
And still you speak deceits in your heart, and remain unfeeling toward those placed in your care... Blind and hard sheep! I know what you say within yourselves, I hear your hearts saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? The year draws to a close and no one is gathered”...


Faithless servants!...

Not one word I have spoken can by any means pass away,
Nor shall one word of My prophets fall to the ground...

All shall serve My purpose...

Everything shall come to pass, according to MY will.


A perceived error of a prophet does not make him false, for he is but a man; nor can human power break that which has come forth from the mouth of The Lord your God. Yes, My servants stumble, yet the word of My mouth stands firm and unyielding... Or have you forgotten the perceived error of My apostles and the sin of David? Yet the Word given them remains true for all time. Have you never read this Scripture, “For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it will speak, and it will not lie. Though it tarries, wait for it, because it will surely come, it will not tarry”?
Behold, I have given gifts, two daughters have been given... One is brought forth, and another waits for her time. Thus the perceived error of My prophets is turned backward, for I have fulfilled it... Even I have done it and have performed it! Before your very eyes has it come to pass, according to the time of MY choosing, and shall be!


And though you do not yet fully understand
The scope of My words, you will later...

For He who ascended on high,
Who also led captivity captive, has given gifts to men!







And still you doubt the ways of The Lord. Stop looking upon My words and My servants, with tainted eyes and narrow vision!... SEE WITH GREATER EYES! All your expectations shall fall short, your every arrogant presumption shall fail, yet I remain faithful and My Word true.
Yes, even Timothy had spoken in haste, in My name, failing to bow down before opening his mouth. For he had not yet reached maturity, according to the service for which I have called him. And that, which was done, was the means by which I set before you a more perfect way, breaking every pillar of which you had erected falsely... You shall not place your faith in any man!


See now with greater eyes, with hearts wide open!
See now the greater glory, for I change not!


Was not that perceived, as defeat to My prophet, turned backward? And was it not so in the days of Jeremiah, when the city was left standing, in spite of the prophet’s proclamation of coming destruction? Yet it was indeed destroyed after. It was fulfilled and came to pass, according to the word of My mouth sent forth through My prophet... Though all the people cried, “False!”, and the leaders made concessions in an effort to make My words of non-effect, My every word was fulfilled and came to pass before the eyes of all.
Thus Timothy spoke, and in your eyes his words failed and seemingly fell to the ground, for you have no trust. Lo, even Timothy stumbled and fell, and was greatly humbled. Yet one who has faith waits upon The Lord, and trusts, in spite of that which his eyes see, for he sees with his heart and not with his eyes. And so that which you labeled as error is brought to pass, and was also used for My purpose in you, for I am The Lord. Behold, even according to My servant, Jayse, is it brought to pass in like manner. For truly, as it is written,“Prophesying is not for unbelievers, but for those who believe.”
Dull little flock, how long must I suffer your doubt? How long shall your hearts remain hard?... Even now, I watch as you depart from Me. Look how you, in vain, seek to gain control of your lives once again, while ignoring the poor and the needy. I tell you, this life is departing from you, even now it flees away. Lo, it is already destroyed, though the pangs of this birth have not yet taken hold of you. For until now you have been sheltered, and with both hands you pull down the veil, yet I tell you the pain of birth has come in, and many are in travail. For the Day of The Lord is here, and the darkness consumes, calamity increases in every corner... Lo, the nations continue their fall.


My children, that which you hold onto so tightly is a lie!...

Even now it slips through your fingers,
For the sun has already set upon this age of men...

This world is fallen, and your nation is defeated.

And though all these walls of propaganda stand tall, blocking your view,
And those close to you, from whom you refuse to remain separate,
Continually pull down the shades...

The truth remains and is self-evident,
In the eyes of all who stand outside.

Says The Lord.

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Narrow Vision

http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=Narrow_Vision