UppsalaDragby
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You are assuming that the criteria by which I evaluate evolution differs from the criteria by which I evaluate the shape of the earth. It isn't, but you are welcome to explain why you think it is.River Jordan said:Using the same criteria by which you evaluate evolution, how do you know the earth is round?
What rubbish! Where did I "decry" atheists in the way you are suggesting? You seem to like spitting out ridiculous strawmen whenever it pleases you to do so. I haven't even used the word "atheists" in our discussions, which clearly shows how careful you are to weigh up the arguments being used. Why don't you be honest here and stick to what I have written instead of twisting things around to suit your prejudices.You don't think it's just a little hypocritical for a group of people to use a computer and the internet to decry scientists as atheists who are out to sway people away from God?
If the Bible warns us to be wary of sheep in wolves clothing then I don't consider it to be "childish personal stuff". Jesus called a spade a spade and so do I. And as I pointed out before, if you don't like the heat then don't dish it out in the first place.The childish personal stuff aside, whether I'm a Christian isn't an issue. If you think it is, please explain why.
Well I consider preaching evolution to be a major hinderance to preaching the Gospel to the lost, because it gives people the false impression that the Bible can be interpreted in any wishy-washy way they want, including the Gospel itself. Somehow you seem to assume that if all Christians just throw up their arms, reject the Genesis acount, and preach evolution as you are doing then all our problems will be solved. But Christianity is not about following all the whims of this world, and if you remove all the teachings of scripture that offend us and do not conform to the spirit of this world, then what are you left with? Everyone who professes to be a Christian is going to be tested, and those who are prone to walk by sight rather than faith are going to reject Christianity sooner or later.That's for several reasons.
1) I am a Christian youth minister as well as a professional scientist. Kids in our ministry bring up this subject a lot, especially to me.
2) I see this as a major hindrance to our ability to preach the Gospel to the lost. As long as Christians keep tying demonstrably false arguments to Christianity, we are guaranteed to lose converts.
3) There are a lot of threads on this subject, and they're very active. It's really all I have time for.
Well I consider making sweeping, AND insulting statements about creationists to be childish too, especially when you complain to other members about making sweeping statements. So it's not only childing and insulting, it's hyprocritical too.Again, resorting to childish personal insults noted. It's sad that you and other fundamentalists here have to sink to that level over and over again. It's very revealing too. Does my presence here make you angry? Are you like KingJ and some of the other fundies here who think that I should be made to "shut my mouth", sit down, and listen to my elders? Is that how you deal with everyone who's different than you in real life?
Do you guys want this forum to be more like your churches, where dissent is not tolerated?
Finally regarding that other forum, you referred me there in the context of discussing science with people who are better qualified. But as AFAICT, such expertise is sorely lacking and it's a lot like my interactions here (variations on the "were you there" theme, and personal insults).
As far as the other site is concerned, saying things such as you found their expertise to be sorely lacking is exactly what one would expect you to say! And when exactly, during your FIRST day of interaction there, did anyone use the argument "were you there"? While asking such a thing of someone who seems to think that the claims made by evolutionists are unquestionable, I don't recall anyone using that kind of argument.
Perhaps you would like to clarify?
Also, what personal insults were used against you there?