How the religious make a mockery of God

KBCid said:

When Christ sent the 11 out to spread the word

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um, where is this in Scripture? Can't find it, ty

KBCid said:

he defined that they will spread it to the ends of the earth. There was no others who would be commissioned to do that work.

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why do you say this? Could you rephrase it, maybe i am misunderstanding

aspen said:

I guess it can look that way when you refuse to admit that you are religious. Christianity is a religion and if you profess Christ, you are following a tenet of religion. Religion is the language we use to communicate with God.

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pretty sure i already disagreed with this, the coffee reply? Prolly just a semantics discussion, but i'm surprised you had no reply to it. I cannot wait for religion to die, personally, and i love Christ.

Rollo Tamasi said:

People made leaders in the Galatian church that Paul didn't even know who they were.
Maybe the people ordained them?
Maybe they believe God ordained them?
A good question, how do we know for sure?

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Good observation, but God do ordain leader in "HIS" church, scripture, 1 Corinthians 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues". the word set is the Greek word, G5087 τίθημι tithemi (tiy'-thee-miy) v.
θέω theo (the'-ō) [an alternate in certain tenses]
1. to place.
KJV: + advise, appoint, bow, commit, conceive, give, X kneel down, lay (aside, down, up), make, ordain, purpose, put, set (forth), settle, sink down
Compare: G2476, G2749

but notice God said that he set some, not all. and please understand, an office (here in the west) is not the same in eastern thinking. it is more of a function, which is correct. people today misunderstand what these functions are. one of the best example of this is the so called pastor office, no such thing, as well as the "OFFICE" of bishop, meaning an elder, from which the work derives. only people misunderstand this concept of "office". it's a work, not some position or rank.

be blessed.

bbyrd009 said:

I cannot wait for religion to die, personally, and i love Christ.

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awesome statement bbyrd009


if I may add to that:

if one follows Christ (who sits at the Right hand of Power) and lives accordingly, its a religion, this is man's definition. if one follows Chairman Mao (when he was chairman ) and lives accordingly, its being governed. this is also man's definition. but yet both are the same, ruler, follower and king and subject even father (ruler of household) and child.

aspen said:

Religion is the language we use to communicate with God.

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i would say that religion is ritual and rote, and actions are the way we communicate with God. God knows better than to pay much attention to what you say, until you have become justified, the same as you are with your kids.

You also have a "word," of course; Aspen's Word. you "give your word" and "take their word for it," etc, but "actions speak louder than words."

Of course God's Word is different...ha, well, It is action, right, because what God says is what is going to happen, every time. Our word is...mostly untested words as a rule, to put it kindly, at least until our baptism of fire. but i'm completely off the res now lol, i'll just shut up

KBCid said:

Many are called by the father to seek his Son. The problem arises when the ones called seek to find the son in the common religions of their day but, God doesn't tell those called to seek his Son in the religious tenets man has formed. God says they shall all be taught by God;

John 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God.

When Christ sent the 11 out to spread the word he defined that they will spread it to the ends of the earth. There was no others who would be commissioned to do that work. We are to take in the words of those Christ sent and let God handle our understanding of it.

It is written; Man shall live by every word of the mouth of God.

and yet people still flock to the mainstream religious sects thinking they can find the Son that God desires to draw them to not considering that Matt 15:9 ...in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

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did you drop a notification?

tabletalk said:

You've also stated that the Living word is a fable.

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an understandable reaction to making Book into Word imo, thus insuring an endless crop of pastors all at least implying that there is no other way than their interpretation, even though not one of them could state a single objective truth from the Book.

bbyrd009 said:

i would say that religion is ritual and rote

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ps i don't mean that ritual has no place, but that the ritual gets turned into the point. Communion should be a congregational celebration ritual of those who eat and drink Christ, and not partaking with that understanding...is bad, mmmkay. very bad. imo. not for brand new "believers."

bbyrd009 said:

did you drop a notification?

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you mean?

bbyrd009 said:

um, where is this in Scripture? Can't find it, ty
why do you say this? Could you rephrase it, maybe i am misunderstanding

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How could you not find the great commission?
Matt 28:16Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations

mjrhealth said:

What5 great commission, no such thing all made up by fools to send fools into teh wilderness to be tripped up by mens foolish ideas. Jesus sent teh 12 Apostles, your name wasnt there.

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hmmm.... you deny that Christ sent 11 to take the word to the world? did you not read the quoted scripture?

KBCid said:

How could you not find the great commission?
Matt 28:16Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations

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I think. @bbyrd009 meant where is the verse?
We have been 'told' it is "the great commission" ....people call it the great commission, but who first called it that? It's really another of those Christianese sayings really. The emphasis is always on the preaching..yet He also said.." heal the sick, raise the dead,cast out Devils etc." ...but I don't see very much of that going on....
It is a great mystery ...

KBCid said:

How could you not find the great commission?
Matt 28:16Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations

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ah ok, you said "to spread the word" and i was relating that to the sending of the twelve

"ByGrace" said:

I think. @bbyrd009 meant where is the verse?
We have been 'told' it is "the great commission" ....people call it the great commission, but who first called it that? It's really another of those Christianese sayings really. The emphasis is always on the preaching..yet He also said.." heal the sick, raise the dead,cast out Devils etc." ...but I don't see very much of that going on....
It is a great mystery ...

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actually imo the point of that passage is to install the #11, meaning in this sense "minus 1," and then bring out that still "but some doubted." And the "go ye" is mostly cover. I guess that makes no sense lol

"ByGrace" said:

I think. @bbyrd009 meant where is the verse?
We have been 'told' it is "the great commission" ....people call it the great commission, but who first called it that? It's really another of those Christianese sayings really. The emphasis is always on the preaching..yet He also said.." heal the sick, raise the dead,cast out Devils etc." ...but I don't see very much of that going on....
It is a great mystery ...

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The great commission as it has been called since before I existed is the denoting of when Christ directed that the word was to be taken to the world since as most will note the beginning of the ministry was strictly being brought to the jews so, unless you are one of the lost sheep of the house of Israel living during that time and in those specific Jewish cities then, there was not 12 assigned by Christ to bring you the good news.

Matt 10:5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

luke 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.

Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise

Many people in our day and age don't quite get that the new testament was a new agreement between God and his people the Jews. This is why it is stated through the spirit that "salvation is of the Jews"

KBCid said:

Matt 10:5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

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however, as believers are now the house of Israel, this might be taken to mean "don't go to people who are asleep or unseeking in your mission, even though you might be uncomfortable at first and even a heroin dealer's house might seem inviting" "go to someone seeking God, go to someone who needs you, not someone who offers you an offer hard to refuse in that moment," which believe me is tempting in that moment, i chose wrong like 10 times there before i got it right i think. Several trips to San Quentin lol

"Jew" or "Gentile" this is all irrelevant to God

aspen said:

I guess it can look that way when you refuse to admit that you are religious. Christianity is a religion and if you profess Christ, you are following a tenet of religion. Religion is the language we use to communicate with God.

Didn't make a dent, did I?

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Hi Aspen...

How do you like this....

In religion, man is attempting to reach God.

In Christianity, God is reaching man and he has but to respond.

The dictionary meaning of religion would agree with you, but so many " religious" persons do not know God.
I like to say that I'm not very religious but I love God a lot.

bbyrd009 said:

however, as believers are now the house of Israel, this might be taken to mean "don't go to people who are asleep or unseeking in your mission, even though you might be uncomfortable at first and even a heroin dealer's house might seem inviting" "go to someone seeking God, go to someone who needs you, not someone who offers you an offer hard to refuse in that moment,"

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You can imagine it to say whatever you want it to.

bbyrd009 said:

"Jew" or "Gentile" this is all irrelevant to God

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Romans 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Doesn't it seem strange to you that God directly contradicts what you are saying?