Satan - who was he in the book of Job?

face2face · Sep 25, 2017

In the event you (@Stranger) didnt know Israel was disciplined for worshiping wood and stone (Deuteronomy 4:28 Deuteronomy 28:36,64 Deuteronomy 29:17 2 Kings 19:8 Isaiah 37:19 & Ezekiel 20:32

These were simply idolatrous practices, worshiping ‘wood and stone’ which punishment would see Israel’s future exile Deuteronomy 4:28. That's the whole point of God warning them not to worship like the foreign nations who had no gods, none...no not one!

They were serving ‘wood and stone’.

F2F

Stranger · Sep 25, 2017

face2face said:
...interpret the Scripture

...could have been 6000 demons in one person - must be crammed in there

I did. Probably not too crowded.

Stranger

Stranger · Sep 25, 2017

face2face said:
Post #184 dealt with this and if you researched the NT for known illnesses verses unknown illnesses (mental or otherwise) you find they held these as superstitious phenomena, plenty of evidence.

Schizophrenia and the pigs!

F2F

Yes, but I just showed you that what you present is not true.

Stranger

Stranger · Sep 25, 2017

face2face said:
Nice try and no, I was using Gal 5 to show how a human adversary, in this case, an envious one toward Job's situation would seek to see if Job would be so loyal to God without His protection. You recall the narrative concerning Job's wealth and how it related to the adversaries jealous statement? You are yet to mention your satan's motives? even the grand plot? something? And what of the evil the Lord brought upon Job?

What you have failed to do is prove from Job 1 that the adversary is a supernatural evil Being...I am sure many reading this are waiting for proof.

What you need is a proof text that shows carved images actually represent evil demons.

If this is not forthcoming, no need for you to try any harder than you have...concede you have no evidence.

As you are finding notions (fabricated stories) are hard to prove.

F2f

I am convinced that more than one person is posting under your name. You're not following the argument at all. See post 191 for Satans motives.

No, I gave you proof text in (Deut. 32:16-17) and (1 Cor. 10:20).

Stranger

Stranger · Sep 25, 2017

face2face said:
In the event you (@Stranger) didnt know Israel was disciplined for worshiping wood and stone (Deuteronomy 4:28 Deuteronomy 28:36,64 Deuteronomy 29:17 2 Kings 19:8 Isaiah 37:19 & Ezekiel 20:32

These were simply idolatrous practices, worshiping ‘wood and stone’ which punishment would see Israel’s future exile Deuteronomy 4:28. That's the whole point of God warning them not to worship like the foreign nations who had no gods, none...no not one!

They were serving ‘wood and stone’.

F2F

Just because Israel was worshipping idols of wood and stone doesn't prove there are no devils and demons. Another reach due to unbelief on your part.

Stranger

face2face · Sep 25, 2017

Stranger said:
Satan is a supernatural being who is evil. Again, (Rev. 12:9) "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan...." Again pretty straight forward stuff.

Copy and paste ho-hum.

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'Sons of God' pertain to direct creations of God. In the Old Testament only Adam would be a 'son of God'. Any other reference to the 'sons of God' pertain to the angels. (Job 38:4-7) "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?....and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" See? Angels. And these angels were required to present themselves before the LORD and Satan was among them. (Job 1:6)

So only Adam is a Son of God in the OT.
Right-e-o
Maybe your bible text search didn’t show up Deuteronomy 14:1 or Hosea 1:10? Exodus 4:22 "Israel is my son.
Depending on how far your teaching has taken you Gen 6:2 is also human Sons (line of Seth) who married unbelieving daughter.
In Job's case the adversary was among the Sons of God who clearly held impure motives toward his brother - possibly similar to Cain and Abel.

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You asked for Scripture, and I gave it. Can you not follow your own posts. Or, are you more than one person I am addressing. Which is fine if that is so, but you need to pay attention a little better.

You have shown nothing to prove demons in the OT - tried to suggest wood and stone carvings are demons.

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The names of Satan were in response to your comment. Of course it has relevance.
You're the one presenting (Dan. 2,7) as proof of something. Can't you do your own work? I am not trying to disprove the existence of Satan, you are. It's up to you.
Stranger

That's right your satan (adversary) is also a dragon.
Do you think the dragon is a literal creature?
F2F

Stranger · Sep 25, 2017

face2face said:
That's right your satan (adversary) is also a dragon.
Do you think the dragon is a literal creature?
F2F

As the Scripture says the dragon refers to Satan, the Devil. (Rev. 12:9)

Stranger

Stranger · Sep 25, 2017

face2face said:
That's right your satan (adversary) is also a dragon.
Do you think the dragon is a literal creature?
F2F

Your references to Israel as a son speak to a nation not a person.

You are not following your own argument. Go back and reread and you will see what the verses are for.

Again, see (Deut 32:16-17) and (1 Cor. 10:20)

I don't blame you for beginning to post as you are, which makes it hard to respond to. With your argument I would want it hidden as much as possible also.

Stranger

face2face · Sep 25, 2017

Stranger said:
I am convinced that more than one person is posting under your name. You're not following the argument at all. See post 191 for Satans motives.

No you don’t understand what a motive means.
Explain why your supernatural Being is interested in sheep and donkeys? You postulated your being has lusts which is erroneous because angels cant sin to start with, but assuming this ridiculous notion you have failed to explain why the satan in envious at Job's livestock?
If you think stating the works of the flesh of a supposed evil being is going to speak to motive - well hold that thought... lets state the Scriptural examples of motive and its dictionary meaning.

Here are some Bible passages on motives:

sight, But the Lord weighs the motives. Proverbs 16:2
and disclose the motives of men’s hearts; 1 Corinthians 4:5
If from human motives I fought with wild 1 Corinthians 15:32
ambition rather than from pure motives, become judges with evil motives? Jas 2:4
because you ask with wrong motives, James 4:3

Motive:a reason for doing something.
"Stranger was unable to establish a motive for his satan"
synonyms: reason, motivation, motivating force, rationale, grounds, cause, basis, occasion, thinking, the whys and wherefores, object, purpose, intention, design;

You have struggled in this discussion with the whys plain and simple.

No, I gave you proof text in (Deut. 32:16-17) and (1 Cor. 10:20).

Stranger

And these were inadequate for the purpose you intended them.
Your case to prove wooden and stone carved images are actually literal evil creatures is woefully lame.

I suggest you move onto another Scripture....here let me help you.

What about Psalm 106:37?

Try and work your trickery there.

F2F

Stranger · Sep 25, 2017

face2face said:
No you don’t understand what a motive means.
Explain why your supernatural Being is interested in sheep and donkeys? You postulated your being has lusts which is erroneous because angels cant sin to start with, but assuming this ridiculous notion you have failed to explain why the satan in envious at Job's livestock?
If you think stating the works of the flesh of a supposed evil being is going to speak to motive - well hold that thought... lets state the Scriptural examples of motive and its dictionary meaning.

Here are some Bible passages on motives:

sight, But the Lord weighs the motives. Proverbs 16:2
and disclose the motives of men’s hearts; 1 Corinthians 4:5
If from human motives I fought with wild 1 Corinthians 15:32
ambition rather than from pure motives, become judges with evil motives? Jas 2:4
because you ask with wrong motives, James 4:3

Motive:a reason for doing something.
"Stranger was unable to establish a motive for his satan"
synonyms: reason, motivation, motivating force, rationale, grounds, cause, basis, occasion, thinking, the whys and wherefores, object, purpose, intention, design;

You have struggled in this discussion with the whys plain and simple.

And these were inadequate for the purpose you intended them.
Your case to prove wooden and stone carved images are actually literal evil creatures is woefully lame.

I suggest you move onto another Scripture....here let me help you.

What about Psalm 106:37?

Try and work your trickery there.

F2F

Sorry, I gave you motive in post #191. Reread.

What about it? You don't know do you. So you want me to do your work. Sorry pal.

Stranger

face2face · Sep 25, 2017

Stranger said:
Your references to Israel as a son speak to a nation not a person.

You are not following your own argument. Go back and reread and you will see what the verses are for.

Again, see (Deut 32:16-17) and (1 Cor. 10:20)

Wow you are holding onto this one verse like your life depended on it....dangerous game you are playing here Stranger.
You will be glad I gave you another life line in that last post.

I don't blame you for beginning to post as you are, which makes it hard to respond to. With your argument I would want it hidden as much as possible also.

Stranger

Yeah I'm feeling your repetition must come to grand finale soon.
F2F

Stranger · Sep 25, 2017

face2face said:
Wow you are holding onto this one verse like your life depended on it....dangerous game you are playing here Stranger.
You will be glad I gave you another life line in that last post.

Yeah I'm feeling your repetition must come to grand finale soon.
F2F

Those verses prove you wrong.

Funny, I don't feel afraid.

I haven't felt the need for any life line.

Whatever. You have anything else to offer?

Stranger

face2face · Sep 25, 2017

Stranger said:
Sorry, I gave you motive in post #191. Reread.

What about it? You don't know do you. So you want me to do your work. Sorry pal.

Stranger

Pal...okay....wasn’t getting the impression you are the friendly type.

Think sheep and donkeys stranger, why, also while you are there, why would your Being care about God's blessings on a son? You might like to explain how God and your Being sat peacefully together discussing Job? Seems awefully odd? And he's powerless...what's with that? Wow must have been uncomfortable for your Being?

face2face · Sep 25, 2017

Stranger said:
Just because Israel was worshipping idols of wood and stone doesn't prove there are no devils and demons. Another reach due to unbelief on your part.

Stranger

So you believe carved images are literally demons? They possess these objects as well?

Stranger · Sep 25, 2017

face2face said:
Pal...okay....wasn’t getting the impression you are the friendly type.

Think sheep and donkeys stranger, why, also while you are there, why would your Being care about God's blessings on a son? You might like to explain how God and your Being sat peacefully together discussing Job? Seems awefully odd? And he's powerless...what's with that? Wow must have been uncomfortable for your Being?

Much of what you ask I covered in post #191 with the motive. In the presence of God Satan doesn't have much choice of how he sits. In the presence of God, Satan is indeed powerless. Probably was uncomfortable.

Stranger

face2face · Sep 25, 2017

Stranger said:
As the Scripture says the dragon refers to Satan, the Devil. (Rev. 12:9)

Stranger

Dodging behavoir - yes or no - is your dragon a literal dragon?

face2face · Sep 25, 2017

Stranger said:
Much of what you ask I covered in post #191 with the motive. In the presence of God Satan doesn't have much choice of how he sits. In the presence of God, Satan is indeed powerless. Probably was uncomfortable.

Stranger

No Stranger you stated attributes thats all.
Explain your Beings motives.

Stranger · Sep 25, 2017

face2face said:
So you believe carved images are literally demons? They possess these objects as well?

Your starting to ask questions I have already answered. Are you a different person or can you not keep up. See my remarks concerning (Deut. 32:16-17) and (1 Cor. 10:20)

Stranger

Stranger · Sep 25, 2017

face2face said:
Dodging behavoir - yes or no - is your dragon a literal dragon?

I told you the dragon in (Rev. 12:9) is Satan, the Devil. Do you want me to repeat it again. Just read the verse.

Stranger

Stranger · Sep 25, 2017

face2face said:
No Stranger you stated attributes thats all.
Explain your Beings motives.

Go back and reread. It is there.

Stranger

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