Luke 14:15-24 Rapture Before Great Tribulation

Well Jay, since we are dramatically different in our view of eschatological events, then I can see how it would not line up with what you see.

Most have understood that all the events after chapter 3 in the book of Revelation equate to Daniel's 70th week of Daniel 9, which represents a 7 year period and the main focus is Israel during that time just as Gabriel told him. There has always been some debate on the details within that, but still a 7 year period.

You seem to suggest it is a multi century time period. The problem with that is there is nothing concrete in scripture to support that view. The Torah requires the testimony of two or more witnesses for anything to be established. Those witnesses are the Tanakh and the NT. And there is nothing in either to suggest that the tribulation period including the vial, bowl, trumpet, etc judgements are in anyway other than during that 7 year period of Daniel's 70th week.

The previous 69 weeks of years in Daniel 9 were laid out by Gabriel as from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem by Artaxerxes in 445 BC to the Messiah, and that occurred in the number of years Gabriel said it would. There is no justification for the 70th week to mean anything other than 7 years.

And what of the two literal witnesses of Revelation 11 before any bowl judgements? And the measuring of the literal Temple during that time? How is it that no one could touch them, they were eventually killed in Jerusalem, the entire world (that would require satellite TV broadcasting) celebrated their literal death, and they were resurrected and taken up in 3 days? This would have to happen before the bowl judgements, and you suggest we are already at the 6th one of those. That is just one of the many events that would not correspond to you timeline unless one allegorizes the scripture to extreme.

There is a maxim in Bible exegesis..... if the plain sense of the text, within the context of the text, makes sense, then seek no other sense. There has to be some sort of objective base line in scripture interpretation, else we end up all over the map. And the Bereans were commended by Paul for searching the scriptures daily to see if what he taught them was true. They only had the Tanakh at that time. So anything expounded in the NT must be supported in the Tanakh (OT). This goes back to the Torah (law) prescription that it requires two or more witnesses to establish anything.

I would have to agree. You probably should review your understanding of the end time events and rework them.

Shalom!
Cliff

Copperhead said:

I would have to agree. You probably should review your understanding of the end time events and rework them.

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It seems to me that there is an arrogance in your suggestion that it is only I that should be reviewing my understanding of the end time events and that you have no need for undertaking such a review. That your understanding needs no correction as the Book of Revelation is linear in the unfolding of the events that are recorded in it.

You also said this: -

Copperhead said:

You seem to suggest it is a multi century time period. The problem with that is there is nothing concrete in scripture to support that view.

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And Yes, I am suggesting that the end time event cover a multi century time period.
And Yes, Revelation 20 does support a time period which is greater than 10 century time periods.

When is Satan thrown down to the earth to be then immediately imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 10 x 100 years? Well does not his imprisonment begin at the start of the Millennium Age?

When is Satan judged, along with the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12, as well as the little horn beast? Isaiah 24:21-23 provides the answer to that question. It provides us with the following information: -

Isaiah 24:21-23
21 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
And on the earth the kings of the earth.
22 They will be gathered together,
As prisoners are gathered in the pit,
And will be shut up in the prison;
After many days they will be punished.
23 Then the moon will be disgraced
And the sun ashamed;
For the Lord of hosts will reign
On Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
And before His elders, gloriously.

When does this happen?

Revelation 12:7-9: - Satan Thrown Out of Heaven
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And the next verse tells us that

Revelation 12:10-12: - 10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them!

And we are also told this in Daniel 7:11-14: -

Daniel 7:9-14 Vision of the Ancient of Days

9 "I watched till thrones were put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
His garment was white as snow,
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.
His throne was a fiery flame,
Its wheels a burning fire;
10 A fiery stream issued
And came forth from before Him.
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.
The court was seated,
And the books were opened.

11 "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

13 "I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed.

It is my understanding that the Book of Revelation is not linear as you are suggesting, and the bowl judgements will occur in reverse order of the time when they are completed.

The First Bowl judgement of Rev 16 cannot happen until the Bottomless pit is unlocked, after the 1,000 years and the beast to be worshipped rises up out of the earth.

So there is evidence found in scripture that does support my understanding.

I trust that this help fill in your blanks in your understanding.

Shalom

No arrogance. Just a suggestion. Especially since your hermeneutics seem more allegorical in nature. When we don't adhere to hermeneutical standards of bible interpretation, we can tend to get side tracked.

Yes, when Satan is locked up that is for 1000 years. That is taking the text literally as one should, which follows the Hermeneutic principle of "if the plain sense of the text, within the context, makes sense, then seek no other sense".

But you then avoided that exegetical maxim when you were suggesting that certain judgements were equated to events past. That is what I was addressing. Equating a bowl judgement to WWI or that we are in another bowl judgement which is about over, that is tracking the events that are part of the 7 year tribulation period and putting them into a multi century setting which the text does not support. If you notice elsewhere in Revelation, in conjunction with Daniel 9:27, the tribulation period is Daniel's 70th week, which is 7 years, broken up in to 2 periods.. 3.5 years or 1260 days. About the only thing the Holy Spirit left out was breaking down into hours and minutes. Well, I take that back. In one verse it is said there was silence in heaven for about half an hour in Chapter 8. Some have equated that to there are no women in heaven! But that is being facetious. Some of us just can't avoid adding a little humor to lighten up things.

And the judgements are upon the earth while Satan is still running around creating mischief, some of it via his main culprit of the time, the false messiah. Not events that occur in different eras. During the millennial reign of Messiah, Satan is locked up. But the millennial reign will not be without sin and death. The kingdom parables along with various passages in the OT show that. That is why at the end of the Millennial reign, when Satan is loosed, he is able to foment a rebellion again, which Psalm 2 shows.

And none of the verses you quoted give any allowance to support a multi century application to the various judgements laid out in Revelation either.

When one understands what the tribulation period is all about, who it is directed at, and what the various judgements within that time frame are meant to do, then confusion abates.

Cliff, it is my understanding of the little while period at the end of the Millennium Age will be around 23-25 years long and during this period, many of the events that are described in the Book of Revelation will unfold. The seven year period described in Daniel 9:27 will unfold during this little while period and because of the Daniel 9:27 prophecy tells us the following: -

Daniel 9:27

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27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate."

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I find it difficult to determine when, during this 23-25 year period of the little while period, when the seven years of the entered covenant will unfold.

Now since the little while period prophecies are told to us in the Book of Revelation, I would not make the following statement that you have when you said: -

Copperhead said:

Most have understood that all the events after chapter 3 in the book of Revelation equate to Daniel's 70th week of Daniel 9, which represents a 7 year period and the main focus is Israel during that time just as Gabriel told him. There has always been some debate on the details within that, but still a 7 year period.

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as this claim is not supported by the scriptures.

Of interest, the Greek word, σεισμὸς, which is found in the following verses, Matthew 8:24, 28:2, Acts 16:26, Revelation 6:12, 11:13, 11:19, 16:18, 16:18, and translated as earthquake in most English translations, gives the wrong understanding of the message of the respective verses. σεισμὸς is better understood if it is translated as turmoil. In the Book of Revelation where σεισμὸς has been used turmoil is the appropriated English word to translate this Greek word. Turmoil is associated with war and the killing of people and when we apply this understanding to this Greek Word, it provides a better understanding of the message content that John was providing.

Sadly, in your posts concerning my posts above, who have not quoted the content of my posts in the context in which I wrote them. You have made claims that I have written certain things, whereas, you are the one who is suggesting a different understanding to what I had posted and then claimed that that was what I have written.

I will still maintain that we both need to examine our beliefs concerning the end time.

I still stand by that statement.

Well, I can agree with that. We all need to always examine our positions on eschatology. I have modified mine several times over the years, as probably most have. In the last few months alone I have tweaked my views a little. It is a process that is never completed by any of us.

JesusIsFaithful said:

Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. 16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: 17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. 18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. 20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come. 21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

You all know how bad it will be at the end of the great tribulation and so who is Jesus talking to here? Who was invited by Him that had a place at the table BUT were excusing themselves from attending the King's Supper for the everyday cares of life? What christian would be tempted to do that at the end of the great tribulation as oppressive and terrible as it will be towards the end? How can any christian have the means to buy and sell, let alone own anything when they need the mark of the beast in order to buy & sell?

The times we are living in now... before the great tribulation... is what Jesus is warning the believers to not love this life more than Him to be like Lot's wife in not wanting to depart.

Oh yeah. There is a rapture coming before the great tribulation and many christians will love their lives on earth to not be willing to leave their lives & loved ones behind.

Jesus's warning is hardly applying towards the end of the great tribulation, so you all better be asking Jesus to help you be willing to go at a moment's notice and not just for help to be found abiding in Him, because no unrepentant workers of iniquity will be taken either. Those unrepentant saints left behind will be received later on after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House; 2 Timothy 2:18-21 & 1 Peter 4:17-19 so get ready to go now.

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I do not believe we are going to get off that lightly. We all profess to be Christians. That's all fine and dandy but what happens when God lifts the hedge of protection as He did with Job? Will we be able to endure? It's all very well to think and say "I will endure, my faith is strong". But have we, as believers today, really been tried? The hour of temptation is yet to come and I believe we will all have to endure that hour. God needs to know if you have what it takes to be called the son of God.

Andre said:

I do not believe we are going to get off that lightly. We all profess to be Christians. That's all fine and dandy but what happens when God lifts the hedge of protection as He did with Job? Will we be able to endure? It's all very well to think and say "I will endure, my faith is strong". But have we, as believers today, really been tried? The hour of temptation is yet to come and I believe we will all have to endure that hour. God needs to know if you have what it takes to be called the son of God.

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Really? Don't you think He already knows?

Isaiah 46:9-10 (NKJV) Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,’

And taking your approach sounds just like a works righteousness gig. The payment made by Yeshua for our salvation is not enough, we have to then prove something. The Holy Spirit is not capable of sealing us unto the day of redemption, we must help Him out. And God must have been kidding when He said He will not let befall us more than He knows we can handle.

1 Corinthians 10:13 (NKJV) No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

And the hour of temptation? And who would that be from? Your implication that "God needs to know" suggests that He is the one bringing the temptation on us so He can find out.

James 1:13 (NKJV) Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.

And you cannot base a doctrine on what happened to Job. There is nothing remotely similar in scripture that says those who the Lord has purchased will undergo what Job did. God was proving a point to Satan that, no matter what he threw at Job, Job wouldn't fail to trust in God. It was teaching us that God never leaves us irregardless of what happens.

I realize there are some things that God doesn't know, but how we would deal with adverse situations is not one of them. He knew from the foundation of the world who would accept Him and who would do so in a genuine way, and trust Him that He is a God who delights in making and keeping His promises.

I think you might want to reevaluate who it is you think God is and whom you have placed your trust in.

Copperhead said:

Really? Don't you think He already knows?

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Of course He already knows, He planned it didn't he? It's not about Him, it's about people who think and say they are what they are not, and that would not be everyone, but according to scripture, the majority.
(Matt 7:21 [KJV])
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Matt 7:13 [KJV])
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Copperhead said:

And taking your approach sounds just like a works righteousness gig.

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I do not believe in righteousness by works. I believe we are saved by Grace through faith in Christ Jesus. Once again this is not about me. This is about those who say they are but are not.
(Rev 3:9 [KJV])
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Copperhead said:

The payment made by Yeshua for our salvation is not enough

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These are your words you are trying to put into my mouth.

Copperhead said:

The Holy Spirit is not capable of sealing us unto the day of redemption, we must help Him out.

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Again your words, not mine.

Copperhead said:

And God must have been kidding when He said He will not let befall us more than He knows we can handle.

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Here you are assuming that I think God is a joker. Well we all know what assumptions do.

Copperhead said:

And you cannot base a doctrine on what happened to Job.

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Who said anything about a doctrine?? I believe the story of Job is an extreme illustration of Satan's roll in God's plan. Every individual on earth can relate to what happened to Job. Satan is the adversary created by God for the purpose of tempting and deceiving mankind. He did it to Adam and Eve, he did it to Jesus and he is doing it to us today. It is not God who tempts us but Satan whom God created. And of course it is true that those who trust in God and endure to the end will be saved, but I am not talking about them.

Copperhead said:

I realize there are some things that God doesn't know,

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Oh boy this is interesting, could you give me an example? I would just like to remind you of your own quote right at the beginning.

Copperhead said:

Isaiah 46:9-10 (NKJV) Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,’

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Andre said:

Of course He already knows, He planned it didn't he? It's not about Him, it's about people who think and say they are what they are not, and that would not be everyone, but according to scripture, the majority.
(Matt 7:21 [KJV])
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(Matt 7:13 [KJV])
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

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You seem to imply something that is works related. That the will of the Father is to prove ourselves. But let's see what Yeshua said was the will of the Father...

John 6:39-40 (NKJV) This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

So it is true that only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom. The will of the Father is to believe on and trust in Yeshua and for Yeshua to preserve them and lose none.

But the Father ends up on the losing side in one respect. Not everyone will believe and trust in Yeshua even though that is His will.

But on the other hand, the Father does see His will accomplished by Yeshua.

John 10:28-30 (NKJV) And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

Man, that is security if there ever was such a thing! I visualize two hands tightly clasped together, with the believer tucked inside. Praise His Name! It is not my responsibility to "prove" anything. It is for His name sake that He preserve those who trust in Him. I take my sovereignty over myself and turn it over to Him. It then becomes His responsibility. We all have been given free choice, or sovereignty. We who trust in Him just give that sovereignty back to Him! He then takes the responsibility for us upon Himself.

There is nothing I can do to "prove" anything to the Lord, to maintain my salvation. He already knows me. And for me to try to "prove" anything is suggesting that Yeshua's death, burial, and resurrection were insufficient to preserve me, and that is an insult to the Father who gave up His Son for that purpose..

Copperhead said:

You seem to imply something that is works related. That the will of the Father is to prove ourselves. But let's see what Yeshua said was the will of the Father...

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And you seem to love to put words in peoples' mouth's. You're also going around in circles. Don't bother to reply, I can't be bothered with fruitless arguments. I'm outa here.

Jay Ross said:

Cliff, it is my understanding of the little while period at the end of the Millennium Age will be around 23-25 years long and during this period, many of the events that are described in the Book of Revelation will unfold. The seven year period described in Daniel 9:27 will unfold during this little while period and because of the Daniel 9:27 prophecy tells us the following: -


I find it difficult to determine when, during this 23-25 year period of the little while period, when the seven years of the entered covenant will unfold.

Now since the little while period prophecies are told to us in the Book of Revelation, I would not make the following statement that you have when you said: -

as this claim is not supported by the scriptures.

Of interest, the Greek word, σεισμὸς, which is found in the following verses, Matthew 8:24, 28:2, Acts 16:26, Revelation 6:12, 11:13, 11:19, 16:18, 16:18, and translated as earthquake in most English translations, gives the wrong understanding of the message of the respective verses. σεισμὸς is better understood if it is translated as turmoil. In the Book of Revelation where σεισμὸς has been used turmoil is the appropriated English word to translate this Greek word. Turmoil is associated with war and the killing of people and when we apply this understanding to this Greek Word, it provides a better understanding of the message content that John was providing.

Sadly, in your posts concerning my posts above, who have not quoted the content of my posts in the context in which I wrote them. You have made claims that I have written certain things, whereas, you are the one who is suggesting a different understanding to what I had posted and then claimed that that was what I have written.

I will still maintain that we both need to examine our beliefs concerning the end time.

I still stand by that statement.

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I believe the bible teaches all 7 seals take place during 3 1/2 year tribulation.

You teach a 25 year time period between the 5th and 6th seal in the "Little Season" I don't see 25 years below.

Revelation 6:9-17KJV
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Truth7t7 said:

I believe the bible teaches all 7 seals take place during 3 1/2 year tribulation.

You teach a 25 year time period between the 5th and 6th seal in the "Little Season" I don't see 25 years below.

Revelation 6:9-17KJV
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

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It seems that you do not understand anything about what I had posted. The little while period is between the times that the Bottomless Pit is unlocked and the GWT and you are covering your ignorance by attempting to redefine what I had actually posted. Shame on you for using such a false argument to defend your thoughts.

Jay Ross said:

It seems that you do not understand anything about what I had posted. The little while period is between the times that the Bottomless Pit is unlocked and the GWT and you are covering your ignorance by attempting to redefine what I had actually posted. Shame on you for using such a false argument to defend your thoughts.

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Please post your little while?

I'm not trying to redefine anything, when the pit is open in what scripture?

Truth7t7 said:

Please post your little while?

I'm not trying to redefine anything, when the pit is open in what scripture?

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Is it not found here: -

Revelation 20:1-3: - 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

And here: -

Revelation 9:1-2: - 9:1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.

As well as: -

Daniel 7:11-12: - 11 "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season {i.e. 1,000 years} and a time {i.e. a little while}.


Isaiah 24:21-22: - 21 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
And on the earth the kings of the earth.
22 They will be gathered together,
As prisoners are gathered in the pit {i.e. the bottomless pit},
And will be shut up in the prison;
After many days {i.e. 1,000 years} they will be punished.

I hope that helps with your understanding of when the period of the little "while" starts.

Jay Ross said:

Is it not found here: -

Revelation 20:1-3: - 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

And here: -

Revelation 9:1-2: - 9:1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.

I hope that helps with your understanding of when the period of the little "while" starts.

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The little while starts in Revelation 20:7 when Satan is released to gather the nation's to battle.

Satan is currently bound by the sixth angels vial as seen in Revelation 16:12, he will not be released to gather nation's to battle until the vial is poured.

Revelation 20:1-9KJV
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Truth7t7 said:

The little while starts in Revelation 20:7 when Satan is released to gather the nation's to battle.

Satan is currently bound by the sixth angels vial as seen in Revelation 16:12, he will not be released to gather nation's to battle until the vial is poured.

Revelation 20:1-9KJV
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

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So you like to nit pick and even then you get it wrong as you do not understand that the Rev 16:12-16 passage is presently unfolding now and the Rev 20:7-9 passage is a distant future event that will not begin until a 1,000 plus years have passed. When you have understanding that is in keeping with scripture, then come back and lecture the congregation on this forum. Fortunately/Sadly many just simple ignore you.

Go and have a good day now your hear me. Spend some quality time with the ones that you love.

Jay Ross said:

So you like to nit pick and even then you get it wrong as you do not understand that the Rev 16:12-16 passage is presently unfolding now and the Rev 20:7-9 passage is a distant future event that will not begin until a 1,000 plus years have passed. When you have understanding that is in keeping with scripture, then come back and lecture the congregation on this forum. Fortunately/Sadly many just simple ignore you.

Go and have a good day now your hear me. Spend some quality time with the ones that you love.

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Revelation 16:12-14 & Revelation 20:7-8 are the exact same event of the future antichrist being released to deceive the nation's to the final battle, and yes I believe the stage is being set for this to take place as the world' s
armies are being assembled around Israel.

There will be no 1000 year kingdom on this earth as is falsely taught in dispensationalism.

When Jesus returns, it will be in fire and "Final Judgment", dissolvong this earth by his fire, 2 Peter 3:10, Malachi 3:2, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Nahum 1:5, 1 Corinthians 3:13

Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, with spiritual beings, there is no physical earthly kingdom seen or represented whatsoever.

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% spiritual world, no literal earthly kingdom is seen.

Revelation 20 KJV
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Many are taught that Matthew 25:31-46 sheep/goat judgment takes place to judge those worthy to enter a millennial kingdom on this earth?

False, as this is the "Final Judgment"
As verse 41 shows the wicked are judged to the "eternal lake of fire", and verse 46 shows the righteous obtain "Eternal Life"

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Truth7t7 said:

Revelation 16:12-14 & Revelation 20:7-8 are the exact same event of the future antichrist being released to deceive the nation's to the final battle, and yes I believe the stage is being set for this to take place as the world' s
armies are being assembled around Israel.

There will be no 1000 year kingdom on this earth as is falsely taught in dispensationalism.

When Jesus returns, it will be in fire and "Final Judgment", dissolvong this earth by his fire, 2 Peter 3:10, Malachi 3:2, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Nahum 1:5, 1 Corinthians 3:13

Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, with spiritual beings, there is no physical earthly kingdom seen or represented whatsoever.

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% spiritual world, no literal earthly kingdom is seen.

Revelation 20 KJV
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Many are taught that Matthew 25:31-46 sheep/goat judgment takes place to judge those worthy to enter a millennial kingdom on this earth?

False, as this is the "Final Judgment"
As verse 41 shows the wicked are judged to the "eternal lake of fire", and verse 46 shows the righteous obtain "Eternal Life"

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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I really love it when ignorant people put themselves up as an expert on the subject of the End Times. 7t7 you qualify hands down for being a very ignorant person. Can I ask the source of this ignorance that you post because you did not glean it from God's truth in the scriptures.

Jay Ross said:

I really love it when ignorant people put themselves up as an expert on the subject of the End Times. 7t7 you qualify hands down for being a very ignorant person. Can I ask the source of this ignorance that you post because you did not glean it from God's truth in the scriptures.

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I qualify hands down as being ignorant, how could God's word' below be ignorant?

Revelation 16:12-14 & Revelation 20:7-8 are the exact same event of the future Satan/Devil being released to deceive the nation's to the final battle, and yes I believe the stage is being set for this to take place as the world' s
armies are being assembled around Israel.

There will be no 1000 year kingdom on this earth as is falsely taught in dispensationalism.

When Jesus returns, it will be in fire and "Final Judgment", dissolvong this earth by his fire, 2 Peter 3:10, Malachi 3:2, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Nahum 1:5, 1 Corinthians 3:13

Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lords spiritual realm, with spiritual beings, there is no physical earthly kingdom seen or represented whatsoever.

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% spiritual world, no literal earthly kingdom is seen.

Revelation 20 KJV
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Many are taught that Matthew 25:31-46 sheep/goat judgment takes place to judge those worthy to enter a millennial kingdom on this earth?

False, as this is the "Final Judgment"
As verse 41 shows the wicked are judged to the "eternal lake of fire", and verse 46 shows the righteous obtain "Eternal Life"

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.