Three Days and Three Nights

rstrats said:

I'm afraid I don't see that account in Ruth. What do you have in mind?

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My bad... I meant Ester. 4:16 - 5:1. Sorry for the mistake.

Raeneske said:

Jesus died on the preparation day, which is the day before the Sabbath.

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What we need to keep in mind is that because Christ died as our Passover Lamb on the 14th of Nisan, it was the day of preparation for the "high sabbath" associated with the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which began the next day. So the next day was not a regular sabbath day.

LEVITICUS 23
4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Since Christ is called “our Passover” (our Passover Lamb) then He was crucified on the 14th day of Nisan (Lev 23:5). The next day -- the 15th of Nisan -- was a “high Sabbath” for the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Lev 23:7). The next day – the 16th of Nisan – would have been the regular Sabbath day. And since – by definition – it was God’s day of rest as well as Israel’s day of rest -- then Christ could NOT have arisen on that day. Therefore Christ arose on the first day of the week – the 17th day of Nisan.

Martin Anstey wrote The Chronology of the Old Testament strictly on the basis of the Hebrew Masoretic Text and the Authorized (King James) Version. He also made an adjustment for Ptolemy’s incorrect chronology, and he then concluded that Christ was crucified in 30 AD. It has been calculated (according to Jewish reckoning) that in 30 AD, the 14th of Nisan was on a Wednesday. Also according to Jewish reckoning each day began and ended at sunset.

So Christ was crucified on Wednesday, not Thursday or Friday. This allows for three day and three nights as follows:

Christ died in the late afternoon on Wednesday, and was entombed BEFORE the 15th of Nisan began at sunset. Assuming sunset was around 6:00 p.m. here is what we see:

Wednesday 6:00 pm – Thursday 6:00 pm – first day and night
Thursday 6:00 pm – Friday 6:00 pm – second day and night (high Sabbath)
Friday 6:00 pm – Saturday 6:00 pm – third day and night (regular Sabbath)

Therefore Christ arose anytime after sunset on Saturday, which would have been the first day of the week. Assuming He arose between midnight and 3:00 am on Sunday, everything written about Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection would fit into this time frame.

Enoch111 said:

What we need to keep in mind is that because Christ died as our Passover Lamb on the 14th of Nisan, it was the day of preparation for the "high sabbath" associated with the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which began the next day. So the next day was not a regular sabbath day.

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Absolutely true and correct! Praise God!

THIS is one of the BIG Roman Catholic triumphs in Bible corruption. The mighty Walter Bauer even calls THIS and a few other, specific related corruptions (his corruptions by no exception but par excellence) "in UNSERER Literatur" as if the Scriptures are the prerogative of Roman Catholicism. It means nothing what he added, "dass heist, dem Schrifttum dessen Wortschatz hier behandelt ist."

The purpose of it is singularly to destroy Jesus' Burial Bone-Day. The LIE took over the WHOLE OF CHRISTIANITY. Perhaps there might have been ten or twelve scholars who were aware of it before, but as at this day, since 2011 today, there are none who have not been FORCED to pay attention to it. God will one day expose this fraud to every honest and dishonest Christian. That He already has forced some to pay attention, is apparent, with some from their fraudulent plagiarisms, with many more, from their informal as well as formal refusals to investigate the 'BONE of the matter'.

Enoch111 said:

Since Christ is called “our Passover” (our Passover Lamb) then He was crucified on the 14th day of Nisan (Lev 23:5). The next day -- the 15th of Nisan -- was a “high Sabbath” for the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Lev 23:7). The next day – the 16th of Nisan – would have been the regular Sabbath day. And since – by definition – it was God’s day of rest as well as Israel’s day of rest -- then Christ could NOT have arisen on that day. Therefore Christ arose on the first day of the week – the 17th day of Nisan.

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. . .from my depths of desponency. . .

ALL THIS imagery based on your only presumption and yours only concept of WHAT the Law '~by definition~' meant that '~it was God’s day of rest as well as Israel’s day of rest~'... what 'rest' is supposed to be ACCORDING TO YOUR, LEGALISM!

"The REST-of-God" of and on his Sabbath Day has EVER been HIS, DIVINE, HOLY AND GLORIOUSLY TRIUMPHANT "REST-OF-WORK", "WORK-OF-REST" of "GOD'S, WORKS HE HAD WROUGHT" once forever, the REST-OF-GOD "BY THE ALL EXCEEDING MIGHTY WORK GOD WROUGHT IN CHRIST WHEN HE RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD"!

Or what have you thought did God do on "My Holy Day"? "Holy" day FOR WHAT? For to sit on his throne like the queen of England and sleep with open eyes, DOING, AVAILING, NOTHING?!

Are you acting God, prescribing Him what his rest on the Sabbath is supposed to be?

Since God "made the Sabbath", "the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD", it has been invested with but one honour of blessing, holiness, completeness and REST, THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST WHICH GOD WORKED ON IT.

Enoch111 said:

What we need to keep in mind is that because Christ died as our Passover Lamb on the 14th of Nisan, it was the day of preparation for the "high sabbath" associated with the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which began the next day. So the next day was not a regular sabbath day.

LEVITICUS 23
4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. 5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. 7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. 8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Since Christ is called “our Passover” (our Passover Lamb) then He was crucified on the 14th day of Nisan (Lev 23:5). The next day -- the 15th of Nisan -- was a “high Sabbath” for the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Lev 23:7). The next day – the 16th of Nisan – would have been the regular Sabbath day. And since – by definition – it was God’s day of rest as well as Israel’s day of rest -- then Christ could NOT have arisen on that day. Therefore Christ arose on the first day of the week – the 17th day of Nisan.

Martin Anstey wrote The Chronology of the Old Testament strictly on the basis of the Hebrew Masoretic Text and the Authorized (King James) Version. He also made an adjustment for Ptolemy’s incorrect chronology, and he then concluded that Christ was crucified in 30 AD. It has been calculated (according to Jewish reckoning) that in 30 AD, the 14th of Nisan was on a Wednesday. Also according to Jewish reckoning each day began and ended at sunset.

So Christ was crucified on Wednesday, not Thursday or Friday. This allows for three day and three nights as follows:

Christ died in the late afternoon on Wednesday, and was entombed BEFORE the 15th of Nisan began at sunset. Assuming sunset was around 6:00 p.m. here is what we see:

Wednesday 6:00 pm – Thursday 6:00 pm – first day and night
Thursday 6:00 pm – Friday 6:00 pm – second day and night (high Sabbath)
Friday 6:00 pm – Saturday 6:00 pm – third day and night (regular Sabbath)

Therefore Christ arose anytime after sunset on Saturday, which would have been the first day of the week. Assuming He arose between midnight and 3:00 am on Sunday, everything written about Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection would fit into this time frame.

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If that were the case, nothing written about Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection would fit into the Passover of Yahweh time frame.

Jesus did not die on Wednesday; He died on the Fifth Day of the week 'Thursday'

He was not entombed BEFORE the 15th of Nisan began at sunset; He was entombed on the 15th of Nisan, THREE HOURS before the 16th of Nisan, the weekly Sabbath, began at sunset.

Assuming nothing here is what we see in the Scriptures:

The Gospels, when understood as a whole, all four --'in parallel'-- telling of the same event at the same point in time, give us no reason to question Our Lord's

CRUCIFIXION DAY:

"on the first day they KILLED the passover",

A) Starting:

its NIGHT and morning: in Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 John 13:1,30; 1Corinthians 11:23

= Leviticus 23:5 "late" Exodus 12:15B "REMOVED LEAVEN" symbolically (Jesus suffered);

= Exodus 12:6 Leviticus 23:5 = "REAPED the first sheaf" Leviticus 23:9,10; 21,22;

B) Ending:

its day in the morning John 18:28; 19:14 Jesus crucified and killed

its day in the afternoon Leviticus 23:5 "late" Exodus 12:15B "REMOVED LEAVEN" physically (Jesus crucified and killed).

• NOW WHERE ALL THE TROUBLE IS STARTED BY KNOWING BUT BIASED SUNDAY PROPAGANDISTS:

BURIAL DAY "the whole-day BONE-DAY",

A) Starting:

Its night: Mark 15:42-46a Matthew 27:57-59 John 19:31,38-40 Luke 23:50-53a;

Exodus 12:8 Leviticus 23:6 the passover its flesh EATEN = "stored" Leviticus 23:11A

B) Ending:

Its day: Exodus 12:10-39 ≈ 40-51 "that which remained burned with fire", "stored", interred

= Mark 15:46b,47 Matthew 27:60-61 Luke 23:53b-56a John 19:41,42.

RESURRECTION DAY:

Starting: Luke 23:56b

"Morning": Matthew 27:62-66

"Mid-afternoon": Matthew 28:1-4

"AFTER the Sabbath": Mark 16:1

Therefore, '~assuming~' NOTHING, Christ arose "Late ON THE SABBATH mid-afternoon as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week" three hours before sunset Saturday, which would begin 'Sunday'.
Christ arose 3:00 pm "on Sabbath".

There is PERFECT harmony between the Gospels, and there is PERFECT harmony between the New and the Old Testaments.

rstrats said:

Enoch111,

Since you're not a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate you probably won't know of any examples. But maybe someone new looking in may know of some.

By the way, your Wednesday to Sunday scenario involves 5 calendar days and at least 4 daytimes and 4 night times.

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You perceived well.
So what IS your issue, RStrats? for heavens sake!

Davy said:

Nonsense.

A count back from Sunday morning to Friday (day) doesn't equal the 3 days and 3 nights.

Sunday dawn - He had risen before the dawn per Matt.28.
Saturday dawn - 2nd day
Friday dawn - 1st day

That above count is nonsense. It doesn't account for the 3 nights either, which are 3 each 12 hour periods too.

The real count:

Wednesday, Nisan 14th, preparation day, Jesus crucified, rush to bury His body.
1st night, Thursday, Nisan 15th, High Sabbath, sunset to dawn.
1st day, Thursday, Nisan 15th, High Sabbath, dawn to sunset.
2nd night, Friday, Nisan 16th, sunset to dawn.
2nd day, Friday, Nisan 16th, dawn to sunset.
3rd night, Saturday, Nisan 17th, weekly sabbath, sunset to dawn.
3rd day, Saturday, Nisan 17th, weekly sabbath, dawn to sunset.
First Day of Week, Sunday, Jesus rose, and the two Marys came to the tomb.

Once again, men's traditions are more important to some men instead of the actual Truth in God's Word.

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Your above count,
‘~A count back from Sunday morning to Friday (day) doesn't equal the 3 days and 3 nights.
Sunday dawn - He had risen before the dawn per Matt.28.
Saturday dawn - 2nd day
Friday dawn - 1st day~’,
is nonsense. It doesn't account for anything, and it lacks Scripture for everything.

The real count:

1st night, Wednesday night, Nisan 14th, sunset to dawn,
Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 John 13:1,30; 1Corinthians 11:23
= Leviticus 23:5 "late" Exodus 12:15B "REMOVED LEAVEN" symbolically (Jesus suffered);
= Exodus 12:6 Leviticus 23:5 = "REAPED the first sheaf" Leviticus 23:9,10;
Thursday, Nisan 14th, “Preparation Day OF THE PASSOVER”, Jesus crucified.
NO ‘~rush to bury His body~’.

1st day ULB, Friday, Nisan 15th, High Sabbath, dawn to sunset.
BURIAL DAY "the whole-day BONE-DAY",
A) Starting: ‘Thursday’ night,
Its night: Mark 15:42-46a Matthew 27:57-59 John 19:31,38-40 Luke 23:50-53a;
Exodus 12:8 Leviticus 23:6 the passover its flesh EATEN = "stored" Leviticus 23:11A
B) Ending: ‘Friday’ Luke 23:54-56a “That Day The Preparation mid-afternoon” John 19:42 “due to the Jews’ preparations having begun”

2nd night ULB, Sabbath, Nisan 16th, sunset to dawn.
RESURRECTION DAY:
Starting: Luke 23:56b ‘Friday’ night
"Morning": Matthew 27:62-66
2nd day ULB, “Sabbath”, Nisan 16th, dawn to sunset.
"Mid-afternoon": Matthew 28:1-4

3rd night ULB, Sunday, Nisan 17th, “First Day of the week”, sunset to dawn.
"AFTER the Sabbath": Mark 16:1
“Dusk on the First Day”: John 20:1
"After-Midnight" Luke 24:1,2
"Very early before sunrise" Mark 16:2-8
3rd day ULB, Sunday, Nisan 17th, “First Day of the week”, dawn
“Mary saw Jesus standing and knew not that it was Jesus..she supposed Him to be the gardener.” John 20:14,15. “Early on the First Day of the week He, risen, first appeared to Mary Magdalene.” Mark 16:9.

Once again, men's traditions, like this one, ‘~First Day of Week, Sunday, Jesus rose, and the two Marys came to the tomb~’ are more important to some instead of the actual Truth in God's Word.

rstrats said:

By the way, your Wednesday to Sunday scenario involves 5 calendar days and at least 4 daytimes and 4 night times.

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Not if you go by the Hebrew reckoning of 24 hours, which go from sunset to sunset.

Wed evening - Thu evening -- day one (Nisan 15)
Thu evening - Fri evening -- day two (Nisan 16)
Fri evening - Sat evening -- day three (Nisan 17)
Nisan 18 (resurrection day) began after Saturday evening.

Harvest 1874 said:

“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” (Matt 12:40)

It is clear from the Scriptures that Jesus rose on the first day of the week (Mark 16:2), and also that this was "the third day" after his death (Luke 24:21, 46; 1 Cor. 15:4; also Lev. 23:11). It follows that he must have been crucified on a Friday.

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All I can say, is what Davy said, Nonsense! According to you, "~it follows~' from the air '~that he must have been crucified on a Friday.~' What gives you that idea?

Jesus was not crucified on 'Friday', He was BURIED on it, "the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath", the Sixth Day of the week. So how come was He not also Crucified on the same day? Because "THE EVENING HAD COME" Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38 Luke 23:50 long before his body was even taken off the cross. So how could the body be buried on the day before it was taken down or treated "according to the custom / ethics / law of the Jews TO BURY?"

Luke 24:21 does not say the First Day was "the third day"; Matthew 28:27:62-64 says "the day after The Preparation" was "the third day" -- the Sabbath Day before the First Day!

Luke 24:46 speaks of the Sabbath Day looking at it from that viewpoint; it does not mention or imply the First Day.

Nor does 1Corinthians 15:3,4.

Leviticus 23 deals with seasonal DATES, not with the days of the week. And verse 11 deals with two of those three dates, neither of which was Abib 14!

Harvest 1874 said:

Some object to this that Jesus in saying that he would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, contradicted the statement by the Apostle Paul that he rose on the third day.

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It's an ~idiom~ of yours, like, '~talking turkey~'.

Harvest 1874 said:

“And he put them all together into ward three days. And Joseph said unto them the third day, this do, and live; for I fear God” (Gen 42:17, 18)

And he said unto them, come again unto me after three days. And the people departed…So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day, as the king bade, saying, come again to me on the third day.” (2 Chron 10:5, 12)

“Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish.”

“Now it came to pass ON the third day that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king’s house, over against the king’s house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house.” (Esther 4:16; 5:1)

In this last set of scriptures it is evident that when, ‘three days’ are stated this would include the conjoining ‘three nights’ that go with them.

In Matt 27:63, 64 - it is recorded that the Pharisees told Pilate how Jesus had predicted that, “after three days I will rise again”. Now generally if we say something took place “after three days” we are implying that it took place on the fourth day. However in Verse 64 the Pharisees asked that the tomb “be made sure until the third day.”

Thus the expression “after three days” was equivalent to “the third day” in the idiom of Israel in Jesus' day.

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Good selection of examples, and your conclusion is correct. But why call all these phrases and clauses '~idioms~' while it is only one of them that looks and acts like an idiom and therefore must be an idiom. Guess which one? '~In Matt 27:63, 64 - it is recorded that the Pharisees told Pilate how Jesus had predicted that, “after three days I will rise again”.~' This is the idiom. In my language we also have it, and even go so far as to say 'behind three days' or behind whatever number of days, and still mean the penultimate.

So its no rule or even general custom that '~if we say something took place “after three days” we are implying that it took place on the fourth day.~' On the contrary, WHILE we say or WITH saying “after three days”, the third day is the day always meant with the idiom, 'after three days', as verse 64 proves, the Pharisees asked that the tomb “be made sure until the third day would be over”~': "the third day" having been the literal third day of the literal "three days" of the literal historic actual passover's, "three days".

Then do not loose out of sight the fact, "the third day" was "on the morning after the Preparation... ...on the Sabbath" THE SAME DAY!

So of course, when we talk literally of after, three, days, we mean just that, which will be the fourth day something happened on.

Why is this so important?

Because Sunday sacredness depends on the false assumption that Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday and was crucified on 'good Friday'.

All Wednesday crucifixionists used to believe a Sunday Resurrection "just after sunset" on the First Day of the week, and same-day burial and crucifixion on Wednesday until as late as the third quarter of the 20th century, when I showed them their inconsistencies, after which they gradually began to change their tune and started talking of a 'just before sunset very late on Sabbath' Resurrection.
But they still adhere to their same day crucifixion as well as burial fallacy.

Then just look how desperately the WCs try figure it nowadays, post #490 above,

Enoch111 said:

... if you go by the Hebrew reckoning of 24 hours, which go from sunset to sunset.

Wed evening - Thu evening -- day one (Nisan 15)
Thu evening - Fri evening -- day two (Nisan 16)
Fri evening - Sat evening -- day three (Nisan 17)
Nisan 18 (resurrection day) began after Saturday evening.

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. . . and even then, What happened with 'Nisan 14', even if but one or two minutes of it before sunset!! My o my. . .

Taken said:

Ok Thanks.

I disagree.
Dead bodies do not move about.
Living souls depart dead bodies.
Jesus' dead body was buried in a tomb.
Jesus' living soul went to the heart of the earth.

God Bless,
Taken

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I'll dare disagree, because. . .
Jesus, "pouring out his Living Soul", spoke and said,
"Father, into Thy Hands I commend my spirit."
Jesus spoke of WHOLE HIS OWN SELF, OF WHOLE HIS OWN LIFE,
THAT IN DYING AND "IN DEATH, HIS FLESH..." His Holy Body, YEA,
HIS GLORIOUS LIFE AND SOUL AND SPIRIT, "...SAW NO CORRUPTION",

But “under the shadow of the Amighty” saw the GLORY OF GOD,

“The LORD before My Face, always,

For He is on My Right Hand, that

Moreover, also my flesh, shall rest in hope.” Because

Jesus died the death of death**, that’s why; that's how.

**Courtesy John Owen.

Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn

My life and soul and spirit,
Moreover, also my flesh,
Shall rest in hope. Because
Jesus died the death of death.

rstrats said:

That's what I was doing. You wrote that the Messiah died in the late afternoon on Wednesday and rose on the 1st day of the week. So Wednesday is calendar day 1 and afternoon is daytime 1. Thursday is calendar day 2 and night time 1 and daytime 2. Friday is calendar day 3 and night time 2 and daytime 3 . Saturday is calendar day 4 and night time 3 and daytime 4 . And the 1st day of the week is calendar day 5 and night time 4.

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Perfectly right refuted.
Now name the days in your view the correct ones, if you will, please? Or have I missed it?