BAPTISM SAVES, FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS"

mjrhealth · Nov 21, 2018

"ByGrace" said:
"We must be Baptized in order to attain.....!!!

Sorry , I read that nowhere.
Salvation is a gift from God of His son... not something we can ever attain to.

One day, when mankind stops trying to outdo God, and realizes we deserve nothing from God, and that all we are Given is purely out of His love, and one cannot earn His love. Love is who and what HE is, it is what this is all about. If not for His love we would all be dead in our sins, some just choose to remain dead in there sins.

God bless

BreadOfLife · Nov 21, 2018

farouk said:
Indeed! Ephesians 2.8-9

Ummmmm, for all of you who don’t understand the difference between “Attain” and “Earn” – time for a little English lesson . . .

“Attain” simply means to “Get” something. It doesn’t mean to “Earn” something.

attain verb
at·tain | \ə-ˈtān \
attained; attaining; attains
Definition of attain
transitive verb
1 : to reach as an end : GAIN, ACHIEVE
attain a goal
2 : to come into possession of : OBTAIN
3 : to come to as the end of a progression or course of movement

2 Tim. 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.

1 Cor 9:24
Know ye not that they that run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? Even so run; that ye may ATTAIN.

Rom 10:3
For they are ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God while they try to establish their own, and they have not submitted to God's means to ATTAIN righteousness.

Phil. 3:8-11
in order that I may ATTAIN to the resurrection from the dead.

earn verb (1)
\ˈərn \
earned; earning; earns
Definition of earn
transitive verb
1a : to receive as return for effort and especially for work done or services rendered
b : to bring in by way of return
2a : to come to be duly worthy of or entitled or suited to

There ends the lesson for the day.

BreadOfLife · Nov 21, 2018

mjrhealth said:
One day, when mankind stops trying to outdo God, and realizes we deserve nothing from God, and that all we are Given is purely out of His love, and one cannot earn His love. Love is who and what HE is, it is what this is all about. If not for His love we would all be dead in our sins, some just choose to remain dead in there sins.

God bless

Perhaps, you should R*E*A*D post #222.
In fact, I sugges you ALL read it . . .

mjrhealth · Nov 22, 2018

Rom_8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
1Co_1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Because you see BOL, we are saved when we Receive His spirit, it is His seal upon us, that mark us as His, and as it says

Joh_10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Its a bit like when a man receives a letter from the Queen, asking him to come to the palace to get His medal of commendation. He may not yet have the medal, but the reward is already promised, but so few believe God.

Ernest T. Bass · Dec 6, 2018

GodsGrace said:
I can't think of any verse where Jesus says that our salvation depends on our being baptized. He DID say to be baptized in the name of the Trinity in Mathew 28...but in every other instance He said that our salvation was based on our works.

Could you please post some verses where Jesus said we MUST be baptized?

Are you saying that if I am a follower of Jesus and am not baptized, I will be lost at death?

John 3:5; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; Acts 10:47-48 etc etc.

Luke 6:46 one cannot be a follower of Christ without DOING what Christ said to do.

Marymog · Dec 6, 2018

GodsGrace said:
Could you please post some verses where Jesus said we MUST be baptized?

Matthew 28:19

Jesus told his Apostles to go and baptize and we MUST do what Jesus said.....Correct?

Mary

Marymog · Dec 6, 2018

ScottA said:
If you want to believe that Jesus picked up bread and said it was His body - and it really, really was His actual/literal body, and He did not mean it symbolically. Good luck with that!

I "want to believe" it.....since it's in scripture

And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Are you calling Jesus a liar?

Curious Mary

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 6, 2018

Marymog said:
I "want to believe" it.....since it's in scripture

And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Are you calling Jesus a liar?

Curious Mary

Mary, most non-Catholics interpret the Last Supper prayer as being symbolic. That doesn't mean any one thinks Jesus is a lair at all.

Learning to respect and understand different people's belief is a good thing

Ernest T. Bass · Dec 6, 2018

Ac28 said:
The only books in the Bible that apply directly to anyone living today are the 7 epistles written by Paul after Acts was finished - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon. Today's all-Gentile church, found ONLY in these epistles, is the only group in the entire Bible that will spend eternity in the Heavenly Places, Far Above All Heavens, where Christ now sits at the right hand of God, Ephesians 1:20 (Christ), Ephesians 2:6 (Us). No Jew was EVER given a chance of going to Heaven. Never! Search and See! In these 7 epistles, the one baptism is spirit baptism. Water Baptism is not mentioned in those 7 books. The other 59 books are 100% Israel and except for Christ, NOTHING in them is TO or ABOUT anyone living today. You will find nothing in those 59 books that will tell you anything about your Calling, Hope, or Future. Except for Christ, nothing ever given to Israel was also given to the Gentiles. Most everything given to Israel has been stolen by the know-nothing Church system, including water baptism. We are Gentiles. God ALWAYS has treated Gentiles TOTALLY DIFFERENT than He has Israel.

Was any non-proselyte Gentile water Baptized in the OT or the Gospels? NO! Was any Gentile, that wasn't a proselyte or wasn't grafted into Israel, water baptized during Acts? NO! Was any Gentile in Paul's 7 post-Acts books water baptized? NO! So, in the entire Bible, up to this point, no Gentile that wasn't part of Israel, in some way, was EVER water Baptized. So, why should any Gentile today, who is totally UNASSOCIATED with Israel, be water baptized? And, since Israel was set aside and ceased to exist, in God's eyes, in 64AD, it is impossible that any Gentile today is ASSOCIATED with Israel. Israel will be back after 2 days ( Hosea 6:2 ), 2000 years, about 2064, and once again, they will be God's people and all OT prophecy will, once again, start to be fulfilled. This present parenthetical 2000 years never really happened, as far as anything about Israel is concerned. They are a non-entity at present and the 1948 thing was a Grand Hoax.

Col 3:1-2
1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

We Gentiles are not earthly people. We are Heavenly people. Our citizenship is in Heaven, Philippians 3:20 . We were chosen in Christ, through God's foreknowledge, before the foundation of the world, Ephesians 1:4 . Israel are the earthly people. They will inherit the land, as in the promises, and the New Jerusalem will be the all-Israel capitol of the New Earth. Each tribe has their own signed gate that they will enter through. According to that passage above, we are to focus on things above and not to focus on things of the earth. Nothing that will ever happen on this earth, will ever have anything to do with us Heaven Dwellers, including water baptism - and the rapture. Israel can have everything in those 59, all-Israel, all-earthly books. What's offered us in Paul's post Acts books beats any of those Jewish things by a million miles.

All the books in the NT have application to people today, as John 3:5. The "one baptism" of Eph 4:5 is the baptism of Christ's great commission that had humans administering water baptism and this baptism that makes one a disciple would last "till the of the world", Matthew 28:19-20. The death, burial and resurrection that takes place when one is water baptized (Romans 6:3-5) is how one obeys the gospel of Christ 1 Thessalonians 1:8 and thereby saved (not be in flaming fire). In Acts 15:11 Peter said Jews and Gentiles are saved in a "like manner" way and the Jews in Acts 2 and Gentiles in Acts 10 were saved in the like manner way in being water baptized in the name of the Lord for the remission of sins, Acts 2:38; Acts 10:47-48. Therefore there is no "Gntile church" for Jews and Gentiles make up the church for all Jew and Gentile are one in Christ..Gal 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Marymog · Dec 6, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
Mary, most non-Catholics interpret the Last Supper prayer as being symbolic. That doesn't mean any one thinks Jesus is a lair at all.

Learning to respect and understand different people's belief is a good thing

For one to believe that Jesus didn't mean what he said (this IS my body) would be calling him a liar.

Do you respect the beliefs your fellow Christian brothers and sisters who say that abortion and gay marriage is found in scripture?

Curious Mary

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 6, 2018

Marymog said:
For one to believe that Jesus didn't mean what he said (this IS my body) would be calling him a liar.

Nonsense. It is simply a symbolic understanding, coming from a teacher known for abundantly using symbolic teaching methods.

And yes, you MUST respect other people's views. It doesn't not matter if you think they are completely wrong. Just like I respect your Catholic views even though I think much about Catholicism is completely wrong.

Marymog · Dec 6, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
Nonsense. It is simply a symbolic understanding, coming from a teacher known for abundantly using symbolic teaching methods.

And yes, you MUST respect other people's views. It doesn't not matter if you think they are completely wrong. Just like I respect your Catholic views even though I think much about Catholicism is completely wrong.

Let me get this straight. A person who uses scripture to support their view that abortion and gay marriage is biblical (which is clearly OPPOSITE of what scripture teaches) should not be told they are "completely wrong"? And I should "respect" their anti-biblical interpretation?

Curious Mary

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 6, 2018

Marymog said:
Let me get this straight. A person who uses scripture to support their view that abortion and gay marriage is biblical (which is clearly OPPOSITE of what scripture teaches) should not be told they are "completely wrong"? And I should "respect" their anti-biblical interpretation?

Curious Mary

YES.

Just as I respect your Catholic views, many of which I find completely anti-Biblical. I don't agree with them at all, but I respect them because they are an extension of you.

Marymog · Dec 6, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
YES.

Just as I respect your Catholic views, many of which I find completely anti-Biblical. I don't agree with them at all, but I respect them because they are an extension of you.

Ummmm.....you do know that scripture is not a "view"? It is the Truth and there is only one Truth.

It sounds like you don't respect my Catholic "views" since you just said they are "completely anti-Biblical"

Soooooo how do you justify saying to me right here, right now that my "views" are anti-biblical but you can't say that pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage "views" are anti biblical???

Curious Mary

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 6, 2018

Marymog said:
Ummmm.....you do know that scripture is not a "view"? It is the Truth and there is only one Truth.

It sounds like you don't respect my Catholic "views" since you just said they are "completely anti-Biblical"

Soooooo how do you justify saying to me right here, right now that my "views" are anti-biblical but you can't say that pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage "views" are anti biblical???

Curious Mary

Actually, I do respect your beliefs because they are an extension of you and I'm going to respect you. I don't find them to be correct/scriptural in many areas, but that doesn't mean I don't respect you/them.

I likewise respect all number of different views (Christian and non) I completely disagree with.

Marymog · Dec 6, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
Actually, I do respect your beliefs because they are an extension of you and I'm going to respect you. I don't find them to be correct/scriptural in many areas, but that doesn't mean I don't respect you/them.

I likewise respect all number of different views (Christian and non) I completely disagree with.

Hmmmm.....calling someone's beliefs "completely anti-Biblical" does NOT sound respectful to me

2nd try........How do you justify saying to me that my "views" are anti-biblical but you can't say that pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage "views" are anti biblical???

Patient Mary

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 6, 2018

Marymog said:
Hmmmm.....calling someone's beliefs "completely anti-Biblical" does NOT sound respectful to me

That is simply me expressing my disagreement with those views. If you don't like those words, what words would you pick to describe a viewpoint you find to not be scriptural?

Marymog said:
2nd try........How do you justify saying to me that my "views" are anti-biblical but you can't say that pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage "views" are anti biblical???

I did say that: I likewise respect all number of different views (Christian and non) I completely disagree with. That includes views those two particular views you mentioned plus a million other different views.

Marymog · Dec 6, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
That is simply me expressing my disagreement with those views. If you don't like those words, what words would you pick to describe a viewpoint you find to not be scriptural?

Heretical

Jane_Doe22 · Dec 6, 2018

Marymog said:
Heretical

Ok. Mary, I respect your heretical views.

Marymog · Dec 6, 2018

Jane_Doe22 said:
I did say that: I likewise respect all number of different views (Christian and non) I completely disagree with. That includes views those two particular views you mentioned plus a million other different views.

Calling someone's deep held Christian beliefs, practices and doctrines that are based on scripture "anti-biblical is not respectful.

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