Seventh Day Adventist Beliefs

mjrhealth said:

For a man who claims to keep the law, you seem deeply fascinated by sin, yes go on be just like this man because you sound just liek him,

Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

ye all you law keepers sound just teh same.

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You'd condemn Jesus as "fascinated by sin" too for saying things like "go and sin no more" and "sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you."

Phoneman777 said:

You'd condemn Jesus as "fascinated by sin" too for saying things like "go and sin no more" and "sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you."

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So you do know that Christ is not sin, so why you so fascinated by it, it is the law that makes you a sinner, for all your studying you still have no clue what Jesus achieved on that cross, such is religion and mens wisdom.

mjrhealth said:

ye all you law keepers sound just teh same.

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Just the same as all ye lawless.

Jesus: I Have saved you.

Man: Thank-you Lord. How?
Devil: You can't, you are too evil.
Jesus. I forgive you.

Man: I'm too bad to be forgiven. I need to change first.
Devil: Yep, you do. Here, try law-keeping.
Jesus: You can't keep the law, come to Me, I will make the changes.

Man: What changes Lord?
Devil: I will remove the law so you can't be condemned for not keeping it.
Jesus: I will make you a new person.

Man: Can the new person keep the law?
Devil: No, it's impossible.
Jesus: You don't have to worry about keeping the law. Just focus on Me. I will keep the law through you. Connected to Me, you can do anything. I will fill you with MY Spirit, you will love as I love, and your life will by default be in harmony with the law, for I will write it on your heart. Just abide in Me, and you will flourish and your life will glorify Me and you will be changed into My image.

Man: Praise the Lord! He has promised that my life will reflect His character! Thank-you Jesus!!
Devil: Ha! Stop boasting! You only think that God is working in you His righteousness. You are still a sinner, and if you claim otherwise, you are a hypocrite and a liar, and headed for hell where all hypocrites go. Not even Christ in you can change you from being a sinner, you "holier than thou" law breaker.
Jesus: The devil comes but for to kill you, steal your inheritance, and destroy my work in you. But I am come that you may have life, in all its abundance. Trust Me.

Man: Hey everyone! Listen up! Jesus came to free us from condemnation...Christ was treated as we deserve, that we might be treated as He deserves... He was condemned for our sins, in which He had no share, that we might be justified by His righteousness, in which we had no share... He suffered the death which was ours, that we might receive the life which was His. “With His stripes we are healed.!!"
Devil: You are a fool if you believe the scriptures teach you that. Your church is teaching you lies. Your religion is deceiving you.
Jesus: Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Man: And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

mjrhealth said:

So you do know that Christ is not sin, so why you so fascinated by it, it is the law that makes you a sinner, for all your studying you still have no clue what Jesus achieved on that cross, such is religion and mens wisdom.

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Why are you so fascinated with driving nails into Jesus' hands and feet afresh with your sin? Why do you like to see my beloved Savior suffer? Is it because you know the Lake of Fire is your destination and your only comfort is to inflict as much suffering on Him as you can before you are annihilated?

Phoneman777 said:

Why are you so fascinated with driving nails into Jesus' hands and feet afresh with your sin? Why do you like to see my beloved Savior suffer? Is it because you know the Lake of Fire is your destination and your only comfort is to inflict as much suffering on Him as you can before you are annihilated?

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See here you are again, your whole life is focused on sin...Isnt the law for sinners... it it all you are here to do comdemn people to death by the law.

brakelite said:

Jesus: I Have saved you.

Man: Thank-you Lord. How?
Devil: You can't, you are too evil.
Jesus. I forgive you.

Man: I'm too bad to be forgiven. I need to change first.
Devil: Yep, you do. Here, try law-keeping.
Jesus: You can't keep the law, come to Me, I will make the changes.

Man: What changes Lord?
Devil: I will remove the law so you can't be condemned for not keeping it.
Jesus: I will make you a new person.

Man: Can the new person keep the law?
Devil: No, it's impossible.
Jesus: You don't have to worry about keeping the law. Just focus on Me. I will keep the law through you. Connected to Me, you can do anything. I will fill you with MY Spirit, you will love as I love, and your life will by default be in harmony with the law, for I will write it on your heart. Just abide in Me, and you will flourish and your life will glorify Me and you will be changed into My image.

Man: Praise the Lord! He has promised that my life will reflect His character! Thank-you Jesus!!
Devil: Ha! Stop boasting! You only think that God is working in you His righteousness. You are still a sinner, and if you claim otherwise, you are a hypocrite and a liar, and headed for hell where all hypocrites go. Not even Christ in you can change you from being a sinner, you "holier than thou" law breaker.
Jesus: The devil comes but for to kill you, steal your inheritance, and destroy my work in you. But I am come that you may have life, in all its abundance. Trust Me.

Man: Hey everyone! Listen up! Jesus came to free us from condemnation...Christ was treated as we deserve, that we might be treated as He deserves... He was condemned for our sins, in which He had no share, that we might be justified by His righteousness, in which we had no share... He suffered the death which was ours, that we might receive the life which was His. “With His stripes we are healed.!!"
Devil: You are a fool if you believe the scriptures teach you that. Your church is teaching you lies. Your religion is deceiving you.
Jesus: Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Man: And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

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YEs here you are again making a complete fool of yourself and making a mockery of all That Christ and even God has done for you.. And just for your information, Love has nothing to do with Sin...

1Co_13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

mjrhealth said:

See here you are again, your whole life is focused on sin...Isnt the law for sinners... it it all you are here to do comdemn people to death by the law.

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When a theological problem exists among God's people, it doesn't get solved by calling together the decorating committee and debating what color the new carpet in the Sanctuary should be, although such futility is well known by Antinomianists who by nature are adrift without any anchor whatsoever.

Phoneman777 said:

When a theological problem exists among God's people, it doesn't get solved by calling together the decorating committee and debating what color the new carpet in the Sanctuary should be, although such futility is well known by Antinomianists who by nature are adrift without any anchor whatsoever.

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It is only a theological problem if you think you are smarter than God and theology is your God, God sent His Spirit to all those who believe to teach them the truth, can God hep it that men rather lean on there own understanding, and twist scripture to suit themselves, that itchy ear thing.

For my take on whether the archangel Michael can be Jesus Christ, see posts #1-#4 of the following thread:

Trinity vs. Tritheism

It should be clear that the archangel Micheal is not God.

mjrhealth said:

It is only a theological problem if you think you are smarter than God and theology is your God,

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Uh, no, a theological problem exists when Antinomianists preach the heresy of that ideology when the Bible absolutely disallows Satan worship, killing, stealing, lying, Sabbath breaking, etc.

It is the Antinomianist that claims their wisdom is above God by their ridiculous belief that the Christian may continue doing that which made necessary the death of the Savior in the first place.

mjrhealth said:

YEs here you are again making a complete fool of yourself and making a mockery of all That Christ and even God has done for you.. And just for your information, Love has nothing to do with Sin...

1Co_13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

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The incessant talk of love is nothing more than an excuse for not being loving. It's talk is that of hypocrisy. Those that love don't require to constantly blurb about it. It is in fact a clever smoke screen.

Enoch111 said:

Well just one verse will show you that the Rapture and the Second Coming are not the same or even simultaneous:

THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they alsowhich pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

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I don't see how that shows rapture and second coming not happening at the same time.

The rapture does happen at the 2nd coming as we see in Matthew 24

29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Fits perfectly with 1 Thess 4
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Fits perfectly with the 2nd coming discussion of Christ in
John 14
“Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And you know the way where I am going.”

Daniel 8:12 warned of a power that would cast the truth to the ground. These truths were intimately connected to the sanctuary, for in the next verse, the angel asks, "for how long will this be"? The reply was for 2300 days. Obviously, history and common sense demands that this must be more than just a little over 6 years, so we are talking about a restoration tat would continue at least 2000 years from the time the prophecy indicated; the same time as the beginning of the 70 weeks explained in the next chapter. ...and thus a long time from the time of the trampling of the truth. That power that trampled upon the sanctuary was the papacy. It WAS THE REFORMATION THAT RE-ESTABLISHED THOSE TRUTHS. I am not speaking of an earthly sanctuary, but the heavenly in which Christ as sole Mediator ministers. The papacy had set up its own counterfeit sanctuary...its own counterfeit priesthood...its own counterfeit means to salvation. The reformation set about setting the record straight.
In the 1300s John Wycliffe translated the scriptures into the common language of the people. His followers were called Lollards. This set straight the Bread of Life...the altar of shewbread.
The Lollards were considered a cult.
IN the 1400s Luther restored justification by faith. This set straight the purpose of the sacrifice...the altar of sacrifice.
His followers, the Lutherans, were considered a cult.
In the 1500s Calvin restored prayer...thus setting straight the mediatorial role of Christ...the altar of incense.
His followers, what became known as Presbyterians, were considered a cult by the Lutherans.
In the 1600s John Smith founded the Baptists, thus restoring the laver.
The Baptists were considered a cult by the Lutherans and the Presbyterians.
In the 1700s John Wesley founded the Methodists. They were ardent evangelists...letting their light shine...thus restoring the candlestick and the ministry of the holy Spirit.
The Methodists were considered a cult in their day.

So far, the reformation has restored all the articles of furniture, and the truths they represented, to their rightful place. All truths and sound Christian practice made void or empty by Catholicism. Except for one. The true place of the law of God, the Ten Commandments that abode within the Most Holy Place and the ark.

In the 1800s, precisely 2300 years after Daniels prophecy indicated, 457BC, Adventists, later to become known as Seventh Day Adventists, had a burden for the law of God. While persecuted by everyone and called a cult by many, they are comprised of people who had come out of those very systems of thought and are now continuing the reformation that their predecessors had abandoned.
The sanctuary is now cleansed and restored. The full gospel is now restored. Judgement is come. (Daniel 8:14 and Revelation 14:6-12) The end can now come. But most of the world is drinking Babylon's wine. As a result they are mad and cannot see past their own noses, drunken and senseless. cleaving to her false doctrines commandments of men and superstitious traditions that negate the commandments of God.
The 7 last plagues come out of the Most Holy Place in the heavenly sanctuary and are poured out upon those who reject that which is in that very sanctuary. The throne, the sovereign Ruler and His law.

1stCenturyLady said:

How long before the second coming do you see the rapture?

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Seven Hebrew years of 360 days each.

Enoch111 said:

Please compare and contrast the passages describing the Resurrection/Rapture with the Olivet Discourse in fine detail. There is a huge difference.

Moreover, Christ DESCENDS from Heaven with His saints at the Second Coming. Which means that they were already in Heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb prior to His Second Coming.

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14,15)

This would be impossible if the saints were rising to meet the Lord in the air at the Rapture, and not be present at the Marriage of the Lamb.

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The saints are the angels.

mjrhealth said:

For a man who claims to keep the law, you seem deeply fascinated by sin, yes go on be just like this man because you sound just liek him,

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Miserable holy hypocrite lawless one! Claiming to keep the Law of God is only admitting one's responsibility and indebtedness to God and God's Law, if you knew the very least of Christian devotion. Not perfection or self-righteousness at all. People like YOU claim perfection and selfrighteousness and that through arrogant pride and pretence!

mjrhealth said:

Yes no man can boast of the law, but many can boast of Christ, because He is the end of the law for those who are in Him,

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The "'end of the law'" -MJRsickness!
Man, for anyone "in Christ", Christ is the Beginning and the End of the LAW and Word of God BEING the Word of God. Jesus Christ is the Alive LAW of the Living GOD who knows and is mighty never to change or be changed by puny anti-nomians' (and there are ‘many’ anti-nomians) wicked instincts and fickleness. What thick-skinned impudence, insolence and effrontery!