1 Corinthians 2 is so abused

CNKW3 · May 23, 2019

Earburner said:
Listen to you, telling me how I came to know the Lord as my Savior! You are a real side show of "religious procedures", of what is an acceptable method, of how God SHOULD operate His own plan of salvation, for all who are lost!
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Let me explain what did happen in my life, when all by myself and God, He convinced me of my need to be "born again" (quickened- made Alive to God).
In the privacy of my room, I repented of my sins, and through Jesus, I asked God for His forgiveness, and for His Holy Spirit to come into my life, so that I would be saved/spared from the 2nd death.
Luke 11[13] If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
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In that moment, I left myself to Him, and waited in faith, believing that He would perform His Promise, simply because I ASKED, as He said I should!
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As I waited, I continued reading the NT scriptures and prayed often, waiting on God.
It was about a month, in the middle my studying
my wife's Bible (I didn't have one), when suddenly I was filled with exceeding joy and happiness, knowing that my sins were forgiven!
I was so joyful about it, I began telling everyone about Jesus/God and their need to be SAVED. I was filled with His Holy Spirit!!
I couldn't shut up about it.
That was in 1975, and I have not stopped telling everyone, who will listen, how wonderful our God and Savior Jesus is.
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There is so much more that He has done in my life, but there is no time, nor room here to explain it!!
I know Who Jesus is!!

In order for us to be saved today we are to obey the gospel of Jesus Christ. That gospel message had a beginning on Pentecost in acts 2. You don’t believe me then let’s read a part of the great commission Jesus gave his disciples. First in Mk 16 he told them to go preach the gospel to everyone and he that believes and is baptized shall be saved. You didn’t do that.
In Lk 24 we see this..
Luke 24:46-47 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
So this gospel message we are to obey had a beginning. That beginning was in Jerusalem on Pentecost. And nowhere was anybody ever told to ask God for forgiveness. Everybody was saved the same way, hearing, belief, repentance, and water baptism. But for some reason you get to do it how ever you want. You want to be accepted by God? Acts 10:35 says you need to fear him and work righteousness. You don’t get to decide what is righteousness. All Gods commands are righteousness PS 119:172. And no where did he ever talk or give an example of someone being saved all by themself. This is your man made doctrine and experience. Just because you have a feeling doesn’t prove anything. Salvation isn’t based off of feelings.
You’ve been leading people astray since 1975

CNKW3 · May 23, 2019

Earburner said:
Yes, it was to you, and yes again, I do know why it doesn't make sense to you.
Read 1 Cor. 2:14, and learn WHY!!
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You have not yet been reconciled with God. You have not fully entered into your "conversion" with Christ to God. Mat. 18:3, John 3:3

I don’t have to read 1 Cor 2 again. I started the thread and you are proving my point. 1 Cor 2 is soooo abused.

CNKW3 · May 23, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
ah, i thought i was more or less agreeing with you, except for whenever you make a statement? "We" is obviously ambiguous and undefined up there, and obviously more than one def for elder, so what is there to say? Apparently a fight to the death is in order? lol

You can’t just say there is more then one def for elder then leave it at that. Give them to me. Book chapter and verse.

CNKW3 · May 23, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
ah, well it didn't occur to me that ambassadors are perceived as "special" i guess, "a person who acts as a rep or promoter of a specific activity" needn't be special imo

"I have pointed out the yadayada" "that's basic grammar" ha, good stuff, ty.
21He made the One who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

so, pretty much all in your head i guess, it really is pretty common ok, i don't think anyone gets all of the Bible?

Ok, let’s see you go knock on the Chinese govt door and say...I’m here from the United States as an ambassador to China and we need to discuss US China relations and see how far you get with that. If just anybody can be an ambassador then you should be ok..

bbyrd009 · May 23, 2019

CNKW3 said:
Ok, let’s see you go knock on the Chinese govt door and say...I’m here from the United States as an ambassador to China and we need to discuss US China relations and see how far you get with that. If just anybody can be an ambassador then you should be ok..

well yes, i grant that that is our common perception of the term, but i am also an ambassador for marijuana consumption, how do you like ambassadors now?
Black market consumption, no less
and pls note--since we never cleared this up--that ambassadors is the subject there, ok, at least imo

on the elder thing I am done, you can define elder however you like ok, i can adjust

Waiting on him · May 23, 2019

CNKW3 said:
That someone preaching today is guided by the word. Not through some direct operation of the Spirit. This is how we have so many churches teaching and practicing different doctrines. They all say they are led by the Spirit. But it’s funny how the Spirit never teaches the same thing. He teaches the baptist one thing, he teaches the Methodist another, the Catholics something different. Isn’t it funny how the Spirit can never get it straight.

Are you saying the Spirit acts on you the same way as he did on Philip? Don’t think so. Why couldn’t the Eunuch understand? Because the NT that explains who Jesus is had not been written yet. That’s what the gifts in the first century were for. To reveal and confirm the word.

Yes he did....through his word he has given us.

Maybe it’s religion that’s the problem?

Earburner · May 23, 2019

Butterfly said:
Is it as clear cut as that Earburner - I came to faith ' out of the blue ' when I was about 24yrs old - Just felt a prompt to go to church, didn't understand a word, but each Sunday that same prompt would come - I then experienced a ' limbo kind of phase' I didn't have peace - I couldn't go back to how I felt before, and yet I didn't have the Lord either. This continued for a few months, then one day I felt this ' quickening ' within me - that's the only way I could explain it. A few days later , while listening to a sermon on Ephesians chapter 1 , I just fell to my knees in tears, totally aware that God was interested in my life. The church I went along to was an evangelical church, they were not really into the gifts of the spirit, but I started to grow as a Christian. I remember thinking that those Christians ' who had a word from the Lord ' were a bit weird !!
Then I started to question many things, and started to experience an awareness that I did believe in the gifts and power of the Holy Spirit. Over the years that followed I started to experience , pictures , discernment and often had words laid on my heart( it's more long winded than that !! Lol )
I went along to a church that was more open.
However I have never viewed the Christians that I had known in the past as non believers, and certainly never have felt that they were not right with God. Isn't it more a case of God not forcing anything on his people, if they choose not to be open, then they will simply not experience more than they have in the moment. I was open, and wanted more - so God could work with that.
I guess it's one thing that does bother me within the forum, that where people stand with God is often challenged due to non agreement with certain things, as if it is one or the other, and cannot be a mixture of the two- different.
Rita

Is it as clear cut as that Earburner - I came to faith ' out of the blue ' when I was about 24yrs old - Just felt a prompt to go to church, didn't understand a word, but each Sunday that same prompt would come - I then experienced a ' limbo kind of phase' I didn't have peace - I couldn't go back to how I felt before, and yet I didn't have the Lord either. This continued for a few months, then one day I felt this ' quickening ' within me - that's the only way I could explain it. A few days later , while listening to a sermon on Ephesians chapter 1 , I just fell to my knees in tears, totally aware that God was interested in my life.
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How wonderful to hear your personal testimony, of how you came to the Lord, or should I say correctly, how He SOUGHT YOU, and BROUGHT you to Himself!!
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Each and everyone of us, who profess to be a Christian, MUST come to that experience of having a thirst/hunger, to KNOW and trust Him above all else, even above our personal relationships of friends and family members. Mat. 10:37
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My experience in knowing the Lord, is the same as your experience. Except for our differences in circumstances of how, the fact remains is that He has revealed Himself to you and me!
That is what IT IS all about, and that's what WE ARE ALL TO KNOW, that The Son of God has revealed God Himself to us, personally!!
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Mat. 11[27] All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

CNKW3 · May 23, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
well yes, i grant that that is our common perception of the term, but i am also an ambassador for marijuana consumption, how do you like ambassadors now?

on the elder thing I am done, you can define elder however you like ok, i can adjust

This is just semantics.
Ok. Since there are no qualifications for being an ambassador for marijuana then to use the term the same way means there are no qualifications to being an ambassador for Christ. That’s not what the Bible teaches. Just in the same chapter we find they had been given the earnest of the Spirit. They walked by faith and not by sight, in vs 17 it says if any man be “in Christ” he is new creature. What about those who aren’t “in Christ”? How can they represent Jesus when they have not even obeyed the gospel they are to affirm? You can’t be an ambassador for Christ because you are not “in Christ”. So, represent marijuana well.

CNKW3 · May 23, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Maybe it’s religion that’s the problem?

General religion, yes. Pure religion, no.

Waiting on him · May 23, 2019

CNKW3 said:
General religion, yes. Pure religion, no.

Pure religion is a function that can only be performed by the Spirit of God.

CNKW3 · May 23, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Pure religion is a function that can only be performed by the Spirit of God.

Not performed by but led by, yes. The Spirit doesn’t perform anything for us. The Spirit is the one who leads and guides. It is up to us to perform.

Earburner · May 23, 2019

CNKW3 said:
You quoted 2 Cor 5 but it did not change a thing. The argument still stands. The WE of that passage did not refer to the Christians in the church at Corinth. The WE is not the YOU in that sentence. Do you think a fourth grade English teacher would be able to break this sentence down?

Also..to come in the name of the lord is to come by his authority, by his direction. You have to do it his way. You have shown by your “conversion” experience that you did it your way and not Gods.

Also..to come in the name of the lord is to come by his authority, by his direction.
> That IS exactly my point!!
We must come to others BY HIS power/authority, through the Holy Spirit, who is freely given and deposited within us. THAT is His way!
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Has His Holy Spirit (His Power/Authority) been given to you, to reside/dwell within you, or are you just playing "Religion"?
If the latter, then THAT is your way! Isa. 55:8-9

Waiting on him · May 23, 2019

CNKW3 said:
Not performed by but led by, yes. The Spirit doesn’t perform anything for us. The Spirit is the one who leads and guides. It is up to us to perform.

What I’ve come to notice is that when people typically believe their performing the work of the Holy Spirit, their not. What I like to observe is when the work is performed in them and their totally unaware. Glory to God.

Waiting on him · May 23, 2019

Earburner said:
Also..to come in the name of the lord is to come by his authority, by his direction.
> That IS exactly my point!!
We must come to others BY HIS power/authority, through the Holy Spirit, who is freely given and deposited within us. THAT is His way!
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Has His Holy Spirit (His Power/Authority) been given to you, to reside/dwell within you, or are you just playing "Religion"?
If the latter, then THAT is your way! Isa. 55:8-9

10-11-12&13 are very informative as well

Waiting on him · May 23, 2019

It’s His mouth, His peace, His joy, His song, His food. All for the widows and the fatherless. Those without a Husband and those that don’t know him as Father.

CNKW3 · May 23, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
well yes, i grant that that is our common perception of the term, but i am also an ambassador for marijuana consumption, how do you like ambassadors now?
Black market consumption, no less
and pls note--since we never cleared this up--that ambassadors is the subject there, ok, at least imo

on the elder thing I am done, you can define elder however you like ok, i can adjust

You’ve actually brought up a very important point. And that is that words and how they are employed matter. Your argument above just chose what word definition you liked and used it. The Bible teaches the importance of words and how they are used. We don’t get to pick and choose the definitions we like.
For example....the Christian world has defined the role of “pastor” in a way the Bible never does. They employ the word contrary to the way the Bible uses it.
When the serpent tempted Eve he added one three letter word that changed the whole meaning. That’s all, one three letter word.
In Galatians we see that the promise to Abraham that in thy SEED all the nations of the earth shall be blessed was based on the word SEED and not SEEDS. In this example it mattered whether the word was singular or plural. The lesson is.....words and how they are used matter.

CNKW3 · May 23, 2019

Earburner said:
Also..to come in the name of the lord is to come by his authority, by his direction.
> That IS exactly my point!!
We must come to others BY HIS power/authority, through the Holy Spirit, who is freely given and deposited within us. THAT is His way!
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Has His Holy Spirit (His Power/Authority) been given to you, to reside/dwell within you, or are you just playing "Religion"?
If the latter, then THAT is your way! Isa. 55:8-9

Christ authority today lies in his word. The HS leads and resides through his word. You can’t do things contrary to the word he has given us and claim you are being led by the HS.

Earburner · May 23, 2019

CNKW3 said:
I don’t have to read 1 Cor 2 again. I started the thread and you are proving my point. 1 Cor 2 is soooo abused.

Actually, because such knowledge from the Lord is "spiritually discerned", every Born Again Christian comprehends and fully understands, that THEY ARE Ambassadors for Christ.

It's the "religious crowd" (the tares) that go upside down about 1 Cor. 2, attempting to "discern" who is who, and can only arrive to a conclusion, that is fabricated by their own analytical mind.
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1 Cor. 2[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

CNKW3 · May 23, 2019

Earburner said:
Actually, because such knowledge from the Lord is "spiritually discerned", every Born Again Christian comprehends and fully understands, that THEY ARE Ambassadors for Christ.

It's the "religious crowd" (the tares) that go upside down about 1 Cor. 2, attempting to "discern" who is who, and can only arrive to a conclusion, that is fabricated by their own analytical mind.
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1 Cor. 2[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

In the OT there’s a story in 1 kings 13 about a prophet who was given instructions by God. On his way he ran into a man who said he too was a prophet from God and that God had told him he could come and eat with him. Now the current prophet didn’t question the old prophet at all. He didn’t ask for proof or verification. He didn’t seek out Gods counsel he just took this mans word for it and went with him. You probably know what happens. The current prophet was approached and told that since he had disobeyed he wouldn’t make it home. He wasn’t eaten by a lion along the road. The lesson of the story is that you are going to have to prove and verify THROUGH THE WORD everything you say and practice. I will not just take your word for it. You can say you got the Spirit, but that don’t mean nuthin.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Waiting on him · May 23, 2019

CNKW3 said:
In the OT there’s a story in 1 kings 13 about a prophet who was given instructions by God. On his way he ran into a man who said he too was a prophet from God and that God had told him he could come and eat with him. Now the current prophet didn’t question the old prophet at all. He didn’t ask for proof or verification. He didn’t seek out Gods counsel he just took this mans word for it and went with him. You probably know what happens. The current prophet was approached and told that since he had disobeyed he wouldn’t make it home. He wasn’t eaten by a lion along the road. The lesson of the story is that you are going to have to prove and verify THROUGH THE WORD everything you say and practice. I will not just take your word for it. You can say you got the Spirit, but that don’t mean nuthin.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

I’ll say this much, for all those that are on here to testify of themselves, you’ve really stirred their nests up!

1 Corinthians 2 is so abused

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