Oh geez now, lets eat all these worms before we open another can!!
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Oh geez now, lets eat all these worms before we open another can!!
Grailhunter
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It's all part of the calvinist package.
BTW, in post no. 811 (?) you said this:
I think He has to draw us, heal our blindness, and then we can make our choices.
What choices are you talking about?
Do you mean the choice to accept or deny Jesus?
Grailhunter
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I am not sure I was stating either #1 or #2. I think I was pointing out that in the freewill vs. No freewill debate, that I do believe in freewill but think we don't have it until our blindness is healed so that we can see that God exists.
I obviously agree much more with the side that believes in freewill. I just think God draws and heals blindness and THEN we have the freedom to choose Him or not. Also then, at some point, we are born from above with His Spirit.
Just saw this.
Let me ask you this:
What does this mean to you?
Doesn't it mean that God draws ALL to Himself and then we decide whether to accept or not?
John 12:32
32“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promises, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
OK.
What you're saying is theologically correct.
We are not really free until we are saved and walking with God.
This is because we're born with the sin nature and tend toward sin.
Romans says that we are slaves of the one we serve.
Romans 6:16
When we serve satan, we DO have wool over our eyes and do not see properly.
When we become saved we walk with God and our mind is clear and pure to see things as they really are:
That our freedom lies in serving God who is truth and who indeed frees us.
John 8:36
He frees us from bondage to the sin nature.
Well, we make the choices every day.
We see Jesus. We didn't see Him and then suddenly we do. Just like the group of blind men, we can then go away in joy or we can return to follow And listen to Him and trust Him.
And then when we follow Him, we make choices all the time. We can choose what the world says and follow its wisdom OR trust Jesus. We make those choices many times.
For instance, the stock market crashes and my retirement suddenly can't happen. Do I freak out or do I calmly keep trusting that He told me the truth that God will see to my temporal provision?
Haven't we all denied Him at times to side with what the world tells us?
Yes, I understand you now SBG,,,it's just that sometimes you say things that sound very calvinistic....I'm always happy to hear that a person knows the real God of the bible...the one Jesus came to reveal to us.
Yes, I understand you now SBG,,,it's just that sometimes you say things that sound very calvinistic....I'm always happy to hear that a person knows the real God of the bible...the one Jesus came to reveal to us.
Okay good! Now I'm going to take a break because you hurt my head.
What it will take is God. Only He gives any real increase to anyone. Anyone who is really hungry and thirsty for His righteousness will certainly be filled [Matt 5:6]
Pretty funny!Okay good! Now I'm going to take a break because you hurt my head.
GodsGrace, you replied to my post that was in reply to Grailhunter. That seems contradictory to your excuse post responses when I asked you politely to read the links to posts in this thread.
A child of God does not mock the Word of God. Your mockery, in your post, of God's Word is very telling of your nature.
I now take the time to remind you that Lord Jesus said:
"you did not choose Me, but I chose you"
(John 15:16)
Meaning either (1) Lord Jesus transforms a heart of stone into a Godly heart (Ezekiel 36:26), or (2) the heart of stone remains in the world stored up for fire and the destruction of the ungodly (2 Peter 3:7).
As an aside, I told you earlier on in this thread I might stop answering your questions if I sensed that you did not read the posts linked into this thread.
The Blood of Jesus, such a sacrifice, that saves my life - THANK YOU JESUS, MY LORD AND MY GOD!
Well, time to get back to woe to you free willers.
Woe to you free willers because you think, under false pretenses, that you have apprehended the Spirit of God in your willpower, but in Truth you have only grasped your own vapor (Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 2:22, James 4:14, Isaiah 55:1, Genesis 2:7, John 15:16)!
Woe to you free willers who falsely insert the word "choose" into a scripture passage in which "choose" is not stated because truly either one acts for good in the will of the Father in heaven or one acts for sin in the will of the devil/flesh (Matthew 7:15-27, John 15:1-11, Matthew 15:50, Galatians 5:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21, John 8:44)!
Woe to you free willers because in your heart you wrongfully claim the place of the Potter and disparage the Potter's blessed work (Isaiah 64:8, Romans 9:20-24)!
Woe to you free willers because you are blind to God's Sovereignty in man's salvation leading the blind (Matthew 15:14)!
Woe to you free willers being incapable of discerning Truth in your own free will (John 14:6, Hebrews 5:14, Romans 1:22-24)!
Woe to you free willers because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves (Matthew 23:15)!
Woe to you free willers for choosing a false god (Exodus 20:3-5)!
Woe to you free willers who say "I chose God" for you witness against yourselves (Joshua 24:19-22, Matthew 12:34-37, John 15:16)!
Woe to you free willers because you do not believe the Son of God's "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) thus rendering yourselves in disobedience to the wrath of God (John 3:36)!
Woe to you free willers who claim to have chosen Jesus in direct opposition to Lord Jesus Christ's words "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) which is applicable to all believers in all time!
Woe to you free willers who do not read the content of the links below which lead to much edifying Word of God quotes and citations that declare the Sovereignty Of God in man's salvation! The blood of free willers is on their own hands, may God have mercy on free willers souls!
The Word of God, quoted in the following links, reveals that freewill is a treacherously rebellious and damnable lie.
These posts of this thread remain true, accurate, legitimate, legal, and Godly:
- "The Righteous Sovereignty Of God Post" (in this thread)
- "The Audience Of Lord Jesus For John 14:16 And John 15:16 Are All Dicsiples In All Time Post" (in this thread)
- "Matthias And Joseph In Exhibit 7 With The Lord Jesus And The Apostles 'All the Time' Post" (in this thread)
- "The Logic Statement (IF/THEN) Eliminating Any Question Of The Audience For The Supper Recorded In John Chapters 13-17 Being All Disciples In All Time Post" (in this thread)
- "The Repentance Is From God Not Conjured Up In Man By Man Post" (in this thread)
- "The Biblical Definition of Disciple Includes More People Than The 12 Apostles Post" (in this thread)
- "The Audience, Salvation, And 'I chose you' Words of Lord Jesus In John 15:16 and John 15:19 Post" (in this thread)
- "Lord Jesus Describes Part Of His Essence/Character - God Alone Chooses In Salvation Doctrine Post" (in this thread)
- "The Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17, and Joshua 24:15 Reveal The Sovereignty Of God In Man's Salvation Post" (in this thread)
- "The Addendum to Genesis 1:31, Genesis 2:16-17 Post Explaining Absence Of Choose Conjugate As Well As IF/THEN Application In Genesis 1-3 Post" (in this thread)
The Wonderful Lord Jesus says "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16), and Jesus, Who is Lord, says "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever" (John 14:16), and Jesus, my Lord and my God, speaks these things to all His sheep of all time, and He has chosen we believers and He has given us believers the Holy Spirit!
Grailhunter
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Is it a sign of the times when demons quote the scriptures?
Christianity believes that we come to believe in Jesus and have faith in Him.
THEN our hearts are changed and we come to be more and more as He would want us to be. As Romans 12:1 says...We are to transform ourselves day by day.
Calvinists believe that FIRST we are changed.
God gives us a new heart....this is regeneration.
THEN
we come to believe.
They teach that we cannot believe in God of our own doing...
They teach that God forces us to believe in Him...and this is done by changing us FIRST and THEN comes salvation.
It's backwards and the bible does not teach this.
John 20:31
31but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
First comes belief in Jesus
Then we have life in His name...regeneration. (not the other way around)
Grailhunter
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