Did God separate from Jesus?

101G · Oct 18, 2019

Steve Owen said:
First of all, I did not define perichoresis. Had I done so it would have been somewhat longer. The best thing to do is to look it up in a Systematic Theology.
But do you deny that there is union and distinction between the Persons of the Trinity? You have copied your definition of allos out of Vine's Dictionary, which is regarded as very old-fashioned these days, but in any case I don't think it helps.

To get an idea of the nature of the Lord Jesus Christ, I always think it's helpful to look at the incident of the stilling of the storm (Mark 6:35ff etc.).
When the Lord Jesus comes on the boat, He is tired and goes to sleep on a cushion. God does not grow tired or weary (Isaiah 40:28). Elsewhere He is described as being hungry. He is a Man; man as if He were not God. But when the storm arises, and the disciples wake Him in a panic, He rebukes the wind and waves and they immediately cease. A man cannot do that; nor does the Lord Jesus pray to the Father to do it for Him. He is God, God in all His fullness, and His Deity is entirely unrestricted by His humanity. He is God as though He were not man.

So yes, the Lord Jesus is 'another of the same kind' as God, but He is also truly human; and in His humanity He felt Himself entirely separated from the Father, except for the Father's wrath - not against Him, but against the sin which He bore on our behalf.

God's righteous sentence against sinners is this:'They shall be punished with everlasting destruction, and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of His power' (2 Thes. 1:9). Because Christ was shut out from the presence of His Father during the hours of darkness on the cross, it means that I never shall be. Praise His name!

GINOLJC, to all.
first thanks for your reply. second, Vine's Dictionary is an old-fashioned dictionary these days, (smile), but is on point. all that you said is fine, but without knowledge. example, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
now Steve, can you tell me how our Lord, and God JESUS who is "EQUAL WITH" God, notice not equal "to", but equal "with" God and yet be separate?. but before you answer that question, please note this scripture, Isaiah 46:5 "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?" now if Jesus is a separate person as you say and is "equal" with God then you have two separate "person" who is Gods, and that's anti bible, which is your perichoresis. and two, this verse eliminates any other ...... "person" in the Godhead, listen, Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any." Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:"
but did not the book of Hebrews states, Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." so tell us how is the Son God, (if separate), when God said clearly that there is no God beside him? well. unless the Son and the Father is the same "person".

or this, if Jesus is a separate person, then please explain these two verses as to "who made all things"
scripture #1. John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." the "him" here in verse 3 referes back to the person in verse 1 as the "WORD", correct, and the word is the person whom you call the son, right. now the second scripture,
scripture #2. Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

so Steve is this the same person in John 1:3 as in Isaiah 44:24? yes, or no. but also please note, the "LORD" in Isaiah 44:24 said he was "alone", and "by himself" when he made all things, so no onw made anything "through" someone else.

will be looking for your answer.
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Steve Owen · Oct 18, 2019

101G said:
will be looking for your answer.

Thanks for replying, and I will certainly respond in turn, but you may be waiting a little while for it (I assume you are looking for a longer answer than "one God, three Persons"). I am attending a conference tomorrow, preaching on Sunday and looking after my little grandson most of next week as well as preparing for another conference and for two more sermons.
However, while you are waiting, it will be helpful if I might have your comments on mine on Mark 6:35ff. It is very easy to talk past one another on discussion forums. If I am to answer your points, you need to answer mine.

But I had a moment today to consider allos which you brought up in your previous post. In Matthew 13:24, 31, 33, our Lord told the people 'another parable.' The greek word is allen from allos. This indicates that these parables were of the same type or character as the first one. But they were not, of course, the same parable. So when our Lord told the disciples in John 14:16 that He would send allon paracleton, 'another Counsellor/Comforter,' He meant a counsellor similar to Himself - the same God, and equal with Him, but another Person. Union and distinction.

101G · Oct 18, 2019

Steve Owen said:
However, while you are waiting, it will be helpful if I might have your comments on mine on Mark 6:35ff

Mark 6:25? unsure what you're speaking of there. but if you're speaking of our lord Getting tired or weary. that's no problem to respond to. answer, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" here God/the Lord Jesus, the EQUAL SHARE of himself G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself in flesh and bone with blood. it's just that simple, which answers your next question.

Steve Owen said:
But I had a moment today to consider allos which you brought up in your previous post. In Matthew 13:24, 31, 33, our Lord told the people 'another parable.' The greek word is allen from allos. This indicates that these parables were of the same type or character as the first one. But they were not, of course, the same parable

this is where your mistake is made at. G243 allos is a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort. yes, of the same type ....or as G243 allos states "the SAME SORT", but not as the FIRST one as you sates. no but another in numerical difference. that's your mistake in Allos in defining the Godhead. that's why the Lord Jesus is the SAME one PERSON as in flesh as well as out of flesh. only in flesh, (as the numerical difference, and G2758 κενόω kenoo in it), he grew weary, or was tired. that's the beauity of knowing "diversity" as Philippians 2:6 states.
understand the Title "Father" is just that .... a title. Son is just that a title of the same one person "diversified". or as said, the same person shared numerically in "ANOTHER" form.
example, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" another here is G243 allos. but is not our Lord JESUS the Mediator? yes, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
advocate here is G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
well will you look at that, the Lord Jesus who is our intercessor is also our comforter

but is not the one who makes intersession for us is the Holy Spirit? Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."
well well, well, the Holy Spirit is the Lord Jesus. let's make sure. do not the Holy Spirit dwells in us? so how is the Father and the Son dewlls in us? because John 14:23 states, "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." lets see how, 1 John 3:24 "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."

now if God is a Spirit, per John 4:24a, (meaning ONE Spirit), and the Holy Spirit is a Spirit, if they are not the same then you have two Spirits. and on top of that, Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." now is this two separate Spirit? no. so any trinity or perichoresis is in ERROR.
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101G · Oct 18, 2019

SovereignGrace said:
What Brother @Steve Owen posted was nothing even remotely close to modalism. You are the one averring that doctrine on here, not him.

sorry we missed your reply. if you believe I'm a modalist then reconcicle John 1:3 with Isaiah 44:24. we say it's the same ONE PERSON, what you say?.
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FollowHim · Oct 18, 2019

Waiting on him said:
I don’t see it brother, David and Samson?
I hope I don’t compare with either

David and Samson were men of God, blessed and in His heart.
It is hard to understand in our society and time. But if one wants to understand the King of Kings you need to understand His friends and who He blesses.

Our hearts matter more than our failures and weaknesses. Getting things right before Him, bowing when ones head is clear, and knowing we are fragile and apt to go astray. But there is something that the Lord cherishes above anything else. We play it safe, and do not want to take risks, but God blesses those who lay everything on the line for Him. It is quite an example to follow and not something for those who worry and want everything nailed down, under control with a definite outcome. God bless you

101G · Oct 19, 2019

GINOLJC, to all.
“Into thy hands I commend my spirit”.
staying on topic, What was the meaning behind the Lord speech in Luke 23:46, when he said, “Into thy hands I commend my spirit”, at his natural death of the flesh on the cross. the meaning behind this saying was that his spirit, (which is EQUAL "WITH" the Father's as the G243 allos SHARE), was to be GLORIFIED, and poured out on Pentecost. because another word for commend here in Luke 23:46 as a verb means "to Entrust someone or something to", and the to here clearly means to deposit (as a trust or for protection). which the Greek word points out in definition, G3908 παρατίθημι paratithemi (pa-ra-tiy'-thee-miy) v.
1. to place alongside, i.e. present (food, truth).
2. (by implication) to deposit (as a trust or for protection).
[from G3844 and G5087]
KJV: allege, commend, commit (the keeping of), put forth, set before

as we see above in the definition, Commend can be trabslated as "Commit". and commit when used as a verb in "To pledge, give or set aside (resources) to another or for future use" is "PROMISE". and he, as the Holy Spirit/now glorified, (per John 17:5), now that "deposit" in commending his spirit into the Spirit/God hands is now that which was poured out on the DAY of PENTECOST. this "commending" is that which was afore "PROMISED" that his spirit will be poured out, or shed forth, listen. Acts 2:14-21 "But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved". and this salvation is backed up by what the apostle Peter said, Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call".

this is what was committed (Promised) commend to the Father means, the work of SALVATION. now let's clearly see this in scripture. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever". flesh and blood cannot abide for ever, but the Spirit can. so, why pray the father in order to GIVE us “another” comforter? answer, that which he "committed"/commend or promise was to be poured out on us, (his Spirit that abides with us for how long?.... forever, so this notion that you can loose your salvation, not if the Holy one in you seals you).

the key to understanding all of this in the word commend, which can be translated as "PROMISE". now we can see the true meaning of what the Lord Jesus was saying on the cross. To commend is to commit or promise his spirit will be poured out latter, and that’s why he prayed in John 14 for another (G243) Comforter, which is his spirit and not his flesh. For the word “give” in John 14:16 is the the Greek word,
G1325 δίδωμι didomi (d̮iy'-d̮ō-miy) v.
to give. The king James can translate this word as “COMMIT”, watch for the bold word below.
KJV: adventure, bestow, bring forth, commit, deliver (up), give, grant, hinder, make, minister, number, offer, have power, put, receive, set, shew, smite (+ with the hand), strike (+ with the palm of the hand), suffer, take, utter, yield
see the underline... "have power", listen, Acts 1:8 "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." and when did the Holy Ghost Come? yes, on the day of pentecost. BINGO.

There it is our word, “commit”, which means commend, Luke 23:46 "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost”. so the king James comes full circle. With that we clearly understand what our Lord was saying on the cross. SALVATION has come to all men, Joel 2:32 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call."
Delivered here means "SALVATION". what a great God we have in his word.
Hoped that helped.
PICJAG.

Waiting on him · Oct 19, 2019

101G said:
GINOLJC, to all.
“Into thy hands I commend my spirit”.
staying on topic, What was the meaning behind the Lord speech in Luke 23:46, when he said, “Into thy hands I commend my spirit”, at his natural death of the flesh on the cross. the meaning behind this saying was that his spirit, (which is EQUAL "WITH" the Father's as the G243 allos SHARE), was to be GLORIFIED, and poured out on Pentecost. because another word for commend here in Luke 23:46 as a verb means "to Entrust someone or something to", and the to here clearly means to deposit (as a trust or for protection). which the Greek word points out in definition, G3908 παρατίθημι paratithemi (pa-ra-tiy'-thee-miy) v.
1. to place alongside, i.e. present (food, truth).
2. (by implication) to deposit (as a trust or for protection).
[from G3844 and G5087]
KJV: allege, commend, commit (the keeping of), put forth, set before

as we see above in the definition, Commend can be trabslated as "Commit". and commit when used as a verb in "To pledge, give or set aside (resources) to another or for future use" is "PROMISE". and he, as the Holy Spirit/now glorified, (per John 17:5), now that "deposit" in commending his spirit into the Spirit/God hands is now that which was poured out on the DAY of PENTECOST. this "commending" is that which was afore "PROMISED" that his spirit will be poured out, or shed forth, listen. Acts 2:14-21 "But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved". and this salvation is backed up by what the apostle Peter said, Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call".

this is what was committed (Promised) commend to the Father means, the work of SALVATION. now let's clearly see this in scripture. John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever". flesh and blood cannot abide for ever, but the Spirit can. so, why pray the father in order to GIVE us “another” comforter? answer, that which he "committed"/commend or promise was to be poured out on us, (his Spirit that abides with us for how long?.... forever, so this notion that you can loose your salvation, not if the Holy one in you seals you).

the key to understanding all of this in the word commend, which can be translated as "PROMISE". now we can see the true meaning of what the Lord Jesus was saying on the cross. To commend is to commit or promise his spirit will be poured out latter, and that’s why he prayed in John 14 for another (G243) Comforter, which is his spirit and not his flesh. For the word “give” in John 14:16 is the the Greek word,
G1325 δίδωμι didomi (d̮iy'-d̮ō-miy) v.
to give. The king James can translate this word as “COMMIT”, watch for the bold word below.
KJV: adventure, bestow, bring forth, commit, deliver (up), give, grant, hinder, make, minister, number, offer, have power, put, receive, set, shew, smite (+ with the hand), strike (+ with the palm of the hand), suffer, take, utter, yield
see the underline... "have power", listen, Acts 1:8 "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." and when did the Holy Ghost Come? yes, on the day of pentecost. BINGO.

There it is our word, “commit”, which means commend, Luke 23:46 "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost”. so the king James comes full circle. With that we clearly understand what our Lord was saying on the cross. SALVATION has come to all men, Joel 2:32 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call."
Delivered here means "SALVATION". what a great God we have in his word.
Hoped that helped.
PICJAG.

Revelation 21:3 KJV
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Tecarta Bible

101G · Oct 19, 2019

Waiting on him said:
Revelation 21:3 KJV
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Tecarta Bible

Yes, and TRUE. God, and our Lord is calling us unto himself. as the apostle Peter said, Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call". question, is the Lord calling today? yes, so SALVATION/THE PROMISE is for us today also.
I must admit, this is exciting, or as these young folk say, "fantastic".
and yes, "the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God".
and the part I like in Revelation, Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads." notice "HIS" face, not their faces, but "HIS", one person. and "HIS" name, not their names.... Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" that rings so true.

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Waiting on him · Oct 19, 2019

101G said:
Yes, and TRUE. God, and our Lord is calling us unto himself. as the apostle Peter said, Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call". question, is the Lord calling today? yes, so SALVATION/THE PROMISE is for us today also.
I must admit, this is exciting, or as these young folk say, "fantastic".
and yes, "the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God".
and the part I like in Revelation, Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads." notice "HIS" face, not their faces, but "HIS", one person. and "HIS" name, not their names.... Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" that rings so true.

PICJAG.

Now this is good news, not news of a futuristic event.

Waiting on him · Oct 19, 2019

101G said:
Yes, and TRUE. God, and our Lord is calling us unto himself. as the apostle Peter said, Acts 2:39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call". question, is the Lord calling today? yes, so SALVATION/THE PROMISE is for us today also.
I must admit, this is exciting, or as these young folk say, "fantastic".
and yes, "the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God".
and the part I like in Revelation, Revelation 22:4 "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads." notice "HIS" face, not their faces, but "HIS", one person. and "HIS" name, not their names.... Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" that rings so true.

PICJAG.

2 Corinthians 6:16 KJV
[16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
walk in them, I wish all can see this. The tabernacle is with man.

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Waiting on him · Oct 19, 2019

1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV
[16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Give strength to the feeble knees Lord
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101G · Oct 19, 2019

Waiting on him said:
1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV
[16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Give strength to the feeble knees Lord
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-Amen, that's why he is our HELPER, David by the Holy Ghost said, Psalms 121:2 "My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth."
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The wind · Oct 20, 2019

These are the Commandments Jesus followed which are plainly written in 1st John 3 verse 23: to believe he(His) himself(Spirit) was the son of God, which is also God in heaven, and to love the children of God. There is no other God but Jesus. Jesus walked by the two Commandments: Faith and Love. And he expects his children to do the same.

101G · Oct 20, 2019

GINOLJC, to all.
Correct,

The wind said:
the son of God, which is also God in heaven

1 John 3:24 "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us." and that "Spirit" that he gave us is he (himself) the Son. supportive scripture, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." at the same time he is in heaven, he is here on the earth. AMEN.
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The wind · Oct 20, 2019

101G said:
GINOLJC, to all.
Correct,

1 John 3:24 "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us." and that "Spirit" that he gave us is he (himself) the Son. supportive scripture, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." at the same time he is in heaven, he is here on the earth. AMEN.
PICJAG.

There is no doubt Jesus is God alone and there is none other. The Spirit in that verse is indeed the Spirit of Jesus, which is the Spirit of God: which is love, as it is written:

And hereby we know that he abideth in us , by the Spirit of love which he hath given us. Those who do not love the children of God have not the Spirit of God.

The wind · Oct 20, 2019

The wind said:
There is no doubt Jesus is God alone and there is none other. The Spirit in that verse is indeed the Spirit of Jesus, which is the Spirit of God: which is love, as it is written:

And hereby we know that he abideth in us , by the Spirit of love which he hath given us. Those who do not love the children of God have not the Spirit of God.

Further more, as it is written: If we love the children of God, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

101G · Oct 20, 2019

The wind said:
Further more, as it is written: If we love the children of God, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Amen, 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, (JESUS), and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,"
2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
the Lord, who is the "Almighty" is ...... FATHER.amen.
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The wind · Oct 20, 2019

101G said:
Amen, 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, (JESUS), and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,"
2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
the Lord, who is the "Almighty" is ...... FATHER.amen.
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To say Jesus is not the Father, who is the Spirit, is to deny that God has come in the flesh.

101G · Oct 20, 2019

The wind said:
To say Jesus is not the Father, who is the Spirit, is to deny that God has come in the flesh.

Amen.

The wind · Oct 20, 2019

The Spirit of Jesus is the way to the Father, the Spirit of Jesus is the truth of the Father and the Spirit of Jesus is the eternal life of the Father in heaven: no man comes to the Father but by the Spirit of Jesus.

Ephesians 2:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

As it is written: No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the the Spirit of Jesus which is in heaven.

Did God separate from Jesus?

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