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Is the nation of Israel really of the devil, fooling Christians?
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Makes you wonder exactly what is coming out of the mouths of our hirelings that so many would be so deceived ...
Bobby Jo
Enoch - whenever you disagree with another's views you resort to name-calling. I've been the recipient of it too. Do you not see something wrong with that?
Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. - James 3:10
He said bugger all on Trump and in the next video the idiot is just ranting on and on about money with lies and stupid half baked graphs.
Without the 70 million lives lost in WW2 that the Talmud created and the Tax payers money going to fund the so called State that is blasphemy called Israel. Not ever the devout Jews claim that it is Israel, in fact they reject that it is in any way !
I do not care less about the Palestine position, as it's better that the whole land be as one and that way most of the problems will go away. it's a solution that does not bother me at all, but it's the Socialist of the world are the ones ranting nowadays against this that Trump and his Jews did.
What Trump position is doing, is to sop promoting division but the Socialist are always trying to in flame division always, so that their is always a sh1t fight going on.
I would be glad to see the State be OT Israel to the letter of the Law and in force it totally. then the true Jews will have legitimacy. but what they have in the State is a whore house that bears no resemblance to OT Israel at all. the greatest number of Sodomites in the world is in the State
and fools claim that such is Israel ! Sodomites in Israel not to mention that the Christian Churches are full of Sodomites as well, so go figure, it's Satan who is coming.If it was OT Israel I would move and go live their than put up with what my Nation is becoming any day.
Anyone who has ever bothered to study what OT Israel was all about would know that that was Gods people Nation, but they turned away from God and every time that they did they got a flogging. same with Christianity as it has turned away from Christ Jesus to become a miserable good for nothing whore bowing down to Satanic trash and lowlife pond life. oh don't offend them or they will turn on ya. so we have to fear them now
I thought that the only ones who obeyed god only feared one and that was God.If you fear God you will be on the correct track but if you fear idiots and trash you are lost, Socialism will not save you, Political Correctness will not save you and the stupid Godless ignorant so called Jews wont save you, because they don't know what Israel means.
Their is only about 10% of the Jews that could be classed as worthy to be called Jews and it may be only about 10% of Christians who are truly worthy of Christ Jesus. Jesus said such about the narrow Gate that their be few that find the way. most are claiming the gate is a wide one.
I have not seen one iota of "anti-semitism" - the go-to phrase for those who want to shut down dialogue: That's always the way to do it right? Cast an aspersion, hurl an insult, muddy someone's character; and those accusing it are probably the first to shout and pout about the political correctness accusations that the left uses.
In what ways are you better than they are?
Christians should be able to question something about the faith that they're unsure about without having vile accusations hurled. I wonder what Christ would have thought of that. I wonder if we Christians are really the good people we think we are.
There seems to be so much entrenched dogma that the fang and claws come out of all the good Christians whenever this dogma is even questioned.
When I first became a Christian I was badly misled by the name it and claim it pastors. But something wasn't right about it - I learned that they were spawning lies - that Christ doesn't answer prayers for sending in a seed-faith-gift-today. I was badly disillusioned - but didn't turn my back on God, I kept searching and I was finally able to come to the truth. I'm still on that journey of searching for truth - no matter where it leads, as long as it's truth.
This past year everything that I thought I knew about how the world worked was found to be wrong. When you're a baby you see the world one way, as a child another way, as a teen and later adult your views constantly evolve. I fully understand the danger in false teaching and yet I fully understand the danger in continuing to believe something false.
To further add fire to the flame I read that the Jews are not even Jews - they're Khazars - and not the seed of Abraham that we'd believed. I don't know what is true about this but we shouldn't be afraid to question:
The “Jews” Are Not The Seed of Abraham
The newest DNA scientific studies, showing that the people known as the Jews of Israel—and, indeed Jews all over the world—are, in fact, of Khazar, not Israelite origins, is backed by the earlier work of historians.
These historians found that their scholarly books and reports were immediately attacked by Zionists desperate to maintain the fiction that the Jews could trace their heritage all the way back to Abraham.
The Zionists knew the truth—that they are not a race but a composite of many races. They had to keep up the myth that they were a homogenous race kept together by religion and community interests for 5,000 years. Only in this way could the Zionist Jews claim to be the seed of Abraham. Only as “Israelites” could the Jews claim possession to land where they and their ancestors had never been.
The Zionists knew, too, that their genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians was not justified unless they, the Jews, had claim to the land. How else could they get the millions of evangelical Christians to support their horrible behavior?
If they were suspected of being converts to Judaism and not actually the tribes mentioned in the Bible, it was all over for them. Their Lie would be out—they would be seen for what they are—imposters.
Pulling Off the Hoax
The Zionists Jews were able to pull off their racial hoax for decades, even though historians and anthropologists—many of them Jewish—wrote book after book. In 1899, famous British historian Houston Stewart Chamberlain published The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century, which held that the Jews were not a race, but instead, were “bastards.” (At the time, bastards was not a pejorative word)
Yitzhak Schipper, quoted extensively by Jacob Litman’s The Economic Role of Jews in Medieval Poland, affirmed that the Khazars were the “Jews.”
In 1867, the great Jewish scholar Abraham Harkavy, in The Jews and Languages of the Slavs, spoke of the Jewish Yiddish language coming from the Khazars.
It was, however, a prominent Jew named Arthur Koestler, himself a Zionist Jew, who in 1976 published the book which caused such a sensation. The Thirteenth Tribe was a literary bombshell. Koestler’s accurate work was meant to be a refutation of Hitler and the Nazis, but it had incredible unintended consequences. He wrote:
“The large majority of surviving Jews in the world is of Eastern European—thus perhaps mainly of Khazar—origin. If so, this would mean that their (the Jews) ancestors came not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race, and that genetically they are more closely related to the Hun, Ulgur, and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob...The story of the Khazar Empire, as it slowly emerges from the past, begins to look like the most cruel hoax which history has ever perpetrated.”
Koestler, who thought he was doing his fellow Jews a service, was unmercifully attacked by other Zionists who felt he had let the cat out of the bag. If they come from the Khazars and are not of Israelite origin, the Jews had no ancestral claim to the land of Israel. They were not the seed of Abraham but of King Bulan and the people of Khazaria.
In his important 2007 book, The Invention of the Jewish People, Dr. Shlomo Sand says that the Jews are not a race and have no Israelite connection. (Click Here to Order Your Copy)
As Shlomo Sand, history professor at the University of Tel Aviv, explains it in his outstanding, 2007 book, Invention of the Jewish People, “Without the Old Testament in its hand and the exile of the Jewish people in its memory, Israel would have no justification for annexing Arab Jerusalem and establishing settlements in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights, and even the Sinai Peninsula.”
If they were Khazars, the title, the “Eternal People” did not apply to them. They would be, in fact, another usurping ethnic conglomerate, falsely claiming to be “Jews” and willing to kill to illegally possess the rightful ancestral lands of the Palestinians.
Other books followed, most notably Kevin Brooks’ 1999, The Jews of Khazaria. But these many scholarly books never really became the consensus because of Zionist opposition. As Orwell once wrote, “Whoever controls history controls the world.”
DNA Science Introduces Stark Reality
Until 1968, that is, when the two British scientists, Watson and Crick, came up with DNA science. Since 1968, DNA has become the principal science used in criminology, both to convict and to exonerate. It has become so popular that “DNA Kits” can be purchased for a couple hundred dollars so individuals can have their own blood tested to determine their heritage, down to the last percentile.
Because of DNA science, historians and anthropologists have been able to find missing links and to unravel the mysteries of race and ethnology.
In 2001, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim, of Hebrew University, a biologist, published the first extensive study of DNA and the origin of the Jews. Her research found that virtually all the Jews came from Khazar blood. Not only that but Oppenheim discovered that the Palestinians—the very people whom the Jews had been persecuting and ejecting from Israel’s land since 1948—had more Israelite blood than did the Jews. In sum, the vast majority of the Jews were not Jews; some of the Palestinians were. Some of the Palestinians even had a DNA chromosome which established that they were “Cohens”—workers at the ancient Temple and synagogues of the Jews.
The Definitive DNA Study
Now comes the ultimate, definitive DNA study, by Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. Entitled, The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses, and published by the Oxford Journal on behalf of the Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution, the study confirms Oppenheim’s research and the many scholarly books.
Dr. Elhaik and the prestigious Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine conclude in their report: “The Khazarian Hypothesis suggests that Eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, an amalgam of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries CE and Converted to Judaism in the eighth century...Following the collapse of their empire, the Judeo-Khazars fled to Eastern Europe. The rise of European Jewry is therefore explained by the contribution of the Judeo-Khazars.”
Who Can Argue With DNA Science?
So DNA science has proven that the findings of many historians and anthropologists is correct. The “Jews” of Israel are not Abraham’s descendants but, instead, come from the subjects of King Bulan of Khazaria.
Now everything changes.
See Also: New DNA Research Confirms: The Jews Are Not the Seed of Abraham
How the Racial Hoax of the Jews Was Finally Exposed
But who is the determiner of what is the truth? We're taught that God gives some the gift of teaching - so by what measure are we to discern whether a pastor is teaching the truth or not? How can anyone say "John Hagee preaches the truth but Chuck Baldwin does not." Any Christian worth his salt is going to look at the preaching of both of them to try to discern who they feel is preaching the truth. I think we have to rely on the Holy Spirit to give us discernment - that's what I'm hoping in.
I know you've studied education - I was thankful for it
You've opened my eyes to some of what is going on and now I see why so many homeschool.From what you've seen - does it appear that the re-education is working? My husband and his men noticed how each generation is growing worse judging by the younger guys coming into the company. Have you speculated how close to Armageddon we are?
Israel is a tale of two houses. And I believe what SG is pointing to is the house of Esau. And that which is coming will be in waves, like labor.
Jacob's trouble? Do you know what this truly means? The scriptures give the answer, Jacobs troubles are from
his brother Esau, whom God calls Edom (Red). From this house of Red is where Jacob's troubles are from. Christ too had His problems from that house so forth and so on for every God fearing Jew.
We are at the climax of the House of Red.
A dragon is RED, has
a shield of scales=
Rothschild, Meaning- (Red Shield) they are the seed of Esau, the seed from which Jacob's trouble
come.Jacob's story reveals a lot about these end times.
Esau's house is cursed and has always been , to Christ and to now. The OT patriarchs like Joseph, and Jacob are symbolism of Christ and what Christianity will experience. Christ is the
determining factor of ones true Jewishness.
Jacob I loved, Esau I hated.
God's Sovereign Choice Romans 912-14
…12not by works but by Him who calls, she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13So it is written:
“Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” 14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Absolutely not!…
Esau had no regard for his birthright as is stated in scripture. A Hebraic Birthright comes not just from a
patriarch but is at its beginning from God passed on through the anointed.
It will be from the house ESAU where the Rothschilds are from that the Man of Sin will come. THE MAN. There are many men for this
house but THE MAN has yet to be revealed, this is at the door,
even so, the onset is presently upon us.
What does this mean, does this mean today tomorrow, I do not know I can not say, but I know it could be any time-near- not distant. Because the last -false pope is here. So I would say the Man of sin will be revealed soon. Couldn't tell you exact day..... just looking at the signs.
These are the days that all that is in the dark will be thrown into the light. The behind the scene players are to be
put center stage.
Rothschild funded and established the present state of Israel. The six pointed star is their star, and is a pagan
star, which rest over the house which funded the Israeli flag and its design.
Excerpt From BIBLE TRUTHS- THE SIX POINTED STAR:
The Six-Pointed Star: The origin, and history of the six-pointed star (hexagram) and its mysterious link with
mankind from the days of Egypt are intriguing. The six-pointed star has long been used in magic, occultism,
witchcraft, and astrology, and has been found at the scene of so many occult crimes that the police in California
issued a directive to all schools warning children to be cautious of this symbol. Click here to order a copy.
Some years ago, it was reported in the Toronto Sun, that a church, and grave yard had been vandalized and
"stars" were painted all over. The newspaper had decided not to say what kind of stars as they did not wish to
have people think Jews had been responsible. Firstly, and emphatically, Jews were not responsible for the van-
dalizing. But as usual, they could have been blamed. Why? Because unfortunately, Jews have often used items
and delved in practices that are contrary to Scriptures and the Bible records many such instances. Why do most
Jews use the six-pointed star, which they call the Star of David, the Shield of David, or the Magen David? (IT IS NOT THOUGH IN REALITY)
Well, here is where it gets intriguing: M. Hirsch Goldberg in his book The Jewish Connection states: " The
Star of David is not of Jewish origin - and the ancient Israelites never used it as their religious symbol" (they
used the Menorah or Seven Candlestick). So, why did the six-pointed star become known as the Jewish star?
This symbol was widely adopted, not because the Jewish people chose it,( CONCERNING MORE RECENT HISTORY)
but ironically because Adolph Hitler forced all Jews to wear a yellow six-pointed star during the holocaust.
The word holocaust means burnt offer-
ing, and the six-pointed star was used in the past when burnt human sacrifices were offered to Moloch and Ash-
toreth in Baal worship. The few Jews who had anything to do with the Six-Pointed star (hexagram) were those
who were involved in occult practices. Back to Hitler, would he put anything good on a Jew? Hitler meant to
insult and destroy the Jews, and being wrapped up in the occult (read the book, The Nazis and the Occult ), he
may have meant the Jews to be his burnt offering for power. Today, most Jews wear this star by choice, and
without thinking or checking out its origin and usage through time. Wearing the six-pointed star became a fash-
ion.
The first mention of the six-pointed star in Israelite literature was in Amos 5:6, when YAWEH angrily tells
His people that " I hate and despise your feast days…. You shall take up Siccuth, your king and Chiun your im-
ages, the star of your god…." Siccuth (Sakkuth) and Chiun (Kaiwan) means "star" and refers to Saturn as a
star, and was objects of idolatrous worship, as they were considered to be Assyrian gods. The mixed multitude
that went out of Egypt with the children of Israel took the star with them. Like the obelisk (WHICH STANDS IN "ST PETER'S SQUARE"), the six-pointed star
was an Egyptian idol used in idolatrous worship. In 922 B.C. when Solomon married the daughter of Pharoah,
he became involved in Egyptian idol worship and went into magic, and witchcraft. Solomon built an altar to
Ashtoreth and Moloch, and the six-pointed star, the chief symbol of human sacrifices in magic and witchcraft
circles, came to be called the Seal of Solomon.
Solomon did not heed the subsequent warnings from God to cease from these abominable practices, even af-
ter God threatened to rend the Kingdom of Israel from his son's hand. And indeed, the split occurred after Solo-
mon's death. Solomon's idolatry caused the Kingdom of Israel to be split in two. The practices he introduced to
the children of Israel eventually caused the House of Israel to go into exile into the Caucasus, and the House of
Judah to go into captivity. It was Josiah who later destroyed this forbidden altar. Did you know that the number
666 was connected to Solomon? (1 Kings 10:14) Yes, 666 talents of gold was sent to Solomon each month by
none other than the King of Tyrus. After you have read this account in the book of 1 Kings, turn to Ezekiel
Chapter 28. Oh, what a tangled web was weaved, when Solomon practiced to deceive. King Solomon left many
articles which proved his blatant idolatry, such as King Solomon's Mirror, King Solomon's Comb, and the six-
pointed star, which became known as the Seal of Solomon in the witchcraft and occult world. Solomon also laid
down the foundations of the Craft (Daniel 8:25) which later became known as Freemasonry., and the six-
pointed star features prominently in Masonic rituals.
King David was Solomon's father, but he was never an idolater. He made it absolutely clear that God Himself
was his shield, not only in Psalm 3:3 but in Psalm 28:7, Psalm 119:114, and Psalm 144:2.
The book, The Six-Pointed Star, is the first and only academic work which documents the origin and historical
usage of this symbol. From Egypt to Solomon, to Arab magic, and witchcraft, to Druid uses, to freemasonry, to
Mayer Amschel Bauer, who in the 17th century changes his name to depict the red six-pointed star which hung
on his door in Germany, and thus began the family of "Rothschild" (meaning red shield, This is when satan gave this family his own power, throne and authority. That power has grown in them and they have acquired the whole world just about through their banking system). The Rothschild family
incorporated this symbol in their Court of Arms. The research traced the six-pointed star through the Cabala, to
astrology, to Hitler and his putting a yellow six-pointed star on Jews during the holocaust, to the Zionist sym-
bol, and finally to the flag of the State of Israel and beyond.
End Excerpt.
No one is bashing king Solomon it is just showing how with his mistakes some types of paganism entered Israel early on and stuck.
And we all should take note, that a man with Solomon's wisdom fell far, that means anyone could. This is my point that I will elaborate on later.
The sins of Israel have always been forgiven. But the Mark that is coming will not.
Form this Pride ROTHSCHILD, the birth of the
Man of Sin. Get It? Mockery and mirroring God. Our star for the Birth of the True Messiah was the Star of
Bethlehem, in humility our king was born, in a manger, NOT A PALACE. From the throne of heaven to humil-
ity, and meekness, like man but divine. It is to the little ones the Wisdom of God is revealed.
Their False Messiah...... from the depths of hell,the seed of satan, . As in the days of
Noah so shall it be in the time=( end of the age), of the coming of the Son of Man.
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That's really interesting how you explained it - I've never heard it described as a tale of two houses, nor did I know where Rothschild came from. I know from reading a lot that they're involved in satanism and one has to wonder about the origins of it - such as descendants of other evil men who practiced dark arts from the biblical times?
What you've said about Rothschild founding the nation of Israel is what I've been reading - it's a con. And so many Christians are so adamant about Israel that they're ready to stone you if you begin questioning. The star is not the star of David I read - it's the satanic star; an end-time deception.
The Star Of David Deception
Yep the most closet related Jewish people as to regards of a race are the Palestinians.
You see the leadership of the Jews don't look Jewish at all, they don't look Semitic at all.
But then again it's not to do with a Race or Breed at all anyway, It's all a bout the gift of God blessing you, The Holy Spirit ! because without this you are nothing !
No body was anything without the Holy Spirit ! show me were anyone was of God who did not have the Holy Spirit !
Look at Nathaniel a True Israelite Jesus said and Nathaniel Knew who Jesus was directly as any true Israelite would in fact.
You see the leadership of the Jews don't look Jewish at all, they don't look Semitic at all.
But then again it's not to do with a Race or Breed at all anyway, It's all a bout the gift of God blessing you, The Holy Spirit ! because without this you are nothing !
No body was anything without the Holy Spirit ! show me were anyone was of God who did not have the Holy Spirit !
Look at Nathaniel a True Israelite Jesus said and Nathaniel Knew who Jesus was directly as any true Israelite would in fact.
One only has to read what St Stephen said to understand truly what that satanic Star is, it's a bloody curse !
Many of the Jews that went to the State that is called Israel were not happy when they seen that abomination on their Flag and it cause a lot of anger amongst them Jews.
The Menorah is truly worthy of God.
IS JONATHAN CAHN MISSING THIS FROM WITHIN HIS BIBLE.....He said bugger all on Trump and in the next video the idiot is just ranting on and on about money with lies and stupid half baked graphs.
Without the 70 million lives lost in WW2 that the Talmud created and the Tax payers money going to fund the so called State that is blasphemy called Israel. Not ever the devout Jews claim that it is Israel, in fact they reject that it is in any way !
I do not care less about the Palestine position, as it's better that the whole land be as one and that way most of the problems will go away. it's a solution that does not bother me at all, but it's the Socialist of the world are the ones ranting nowadays against this that Trump and his Jews did.
What Trump position is doing, is to sop promoting division but the Socialist are always trying to in flame division always, so that their is always a sh1t fight going on.
I would be glad to see the State be OT Israel to the letter of the Law and in force it totally. then the true Jews will have legitimacy. but what they have in the State is a whore house that bears no resemblance to OT Israel at all. the greatest number of Sodomites in the world is in the State
If it was OT Israel I would move and go live their than put up with what my Nation is becoming any day.
Anyone who has ever bothered to study what OT Israel was all about would know that that was Gods people Nation, but they turned away from God and every time that they did they got a flogging. same with Christianity as it has turned away from Christ Jesus to become a miserable good for nothing whore bowing down to Satanic trash and lowlife pond life. oh don't offend them or they will turn on ya. so we have to fear them now
If you fear God you will be on the correct track but if you fear idiots and trash you are lost, Socialism will not save you, Political Correctness will not save you and the stupid Godless ignorant so called Jews wont save you, because they don't know what Israel means.
Their is only about 10% of the Jews that could be classed as worthy to be called Jews and it may be only about 10% of Christians who are truly worthy of Christ Jesus. Jesus said such about the narrow Gate that their be few that find the way. most are claiming the gate is a wide one.
Roles in Worship 1 Corinthians 11:3-5
…3But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for it is just as if her head were shaved.…
This is a Rabbinical practice not based in Christianity. The scriptures are clear a man should not cover his head. This is a big deal, especially when many consider him to be a prophet of God. Just saying , a prophet of God should know this.
not to mention all the money he has earned on Christ's name.
Further scripture:
1 Corinthians 11:7-16
7A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man. 9Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10For this reason a woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels.
11In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12For just as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.
13Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Doesn’t nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16If anyone is inclined to dispute this, we have no other practice, nor do the churches of God.
Everything I do in forums , I as a woman always cover my head, including when I pray to the Father. A man however, should not be wearing a veil like a girl. And everyone is just applauding and are just so amazed!
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Is Johnathan Cahn splitting his fingers like Mork from Ork in this so called prayer blessing?
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This is an esoteric Illuminati symbol. This guy uses the Talmud , that which is known as the deep things of satan.
Rev.2:24
24But I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned the so-called deep things of Satan: I will place no further burden upon you.
Torah, Talmud and Kabbalah - What’s What?
Question: I am so confused. I don’t understand which version of the bible is the Jewish version? I am also confused with the Torah, Talmud and Kabbalah. What’s what? Does one come from another? Who authored them? I am sure that these questions may be construed as ignorant but I am lost in a midst of translations, words, chronology and origins… Perhaps you can clarify for me so I at least may start my journey with this basic understanding.
Answer: I’ll try to give a short explanation. In the year 1312 B.C.E. G-d gave the written Torah (Five books of Moses, in Hebrew. English translations made by non Jews, such as the King James version, contain many mistakes. For a great translation buy the Artscoll Stone Edition) and oral Torah to the Jews at Mt. Sinai. The written Torah is extremely vague in almost all of it’s laws and gives little detail. For example, the Torah states, do not murder. What about euthanasia? How about abortion? How about if someone is trying to kill you, can you defend yourself by killing the attacker? The Torah states that you must slaughter animals “In the manner I have prescribed”, yet no where in the rest of the Torah does it say how slaughter was prescribed. The Torah states that on Sukkot “you shall take a nice fruit”. How did we arrive at an Etrog, a citron? There are numerous other ways of proving the need for and correctness of the oral law. See here for a few more. The written Torah is like the notes one takes at a lecture. Only one who has attended the lecture can understand it. The oral Torah is the entire lecture. As to why G-d did this, there are numerous reasons. Among them was to ensure that the Torah always be studied. If everything was contained in the written Torah, it would not be studied too much because it would only be used when it was necessary to know something (much the same way nobody studies the phone book).
As time went on it became too difficult to remember everything in the written Torah, so Rabbi Yehuda the Prince wrote the Mishna in the year 180 (approximately). The Mishna is the basic outline of the oral transmission, but it is cryptic enough so that one still need a Rabbi to understand it properly. This was not enough, so 300 years later Ravina and Rav Ashi recorded the Talmud, which expounded on the Mishna. Still the Talmud is very difficult and one needs to study it extensively to understand it’s structure, method and logic.
Kabbalah is the mystical teachings of the Torah handed down through the generations. As time went on, it started to become somewhat revealed, first by Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai in the first century AD, as recorded in the Zohar. Then by the great Arizal of 16th century Safed. To be properly understood, one needs to master much of the Torah and Talmud first.
Rabbi Meir Goldberg
This is what Jonathan Cahn uses, he intertwines the deep things of satan with Christianity. Our Lord called it out Two thousand years ahead of his roll, which Jonathan needs to slow. Many are duped by this spiritual con artist. Torah is not the Talmud and Kabbalah is within the Talmudic teaching. Moses did not practice this garbage. This was developed during the Israelites time in Babylonian captivity. I would say Egypt too- but ,the Israelites who clung to those practices during Moses exodus of them, were killed, by God.
The letters to the churches call out the Messianic who practice this. This Rabbi says it best however, the implementation of this within Rabbinical teaching as mandate, is more recent.
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This is an esoteric Illuminati symbol. This guy uses the Talmud , that which is known as the deep things of satan.
Rev.2:24
24But I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned the so-called deep things of Satan: I will place no further burden upon you.
Torah, Talmud and Kabbalah - What’s What?
Question: I am so confused. I don’t understand which version of the bible is the Jewish version? I am also confused with the Torah, Talmud and Kabbalah. What’s what? Does one come from another? Who authored them? I am sure that these questions may be construed as ignorant but I am lost in a midst of translations, words, chronology and origins… Perhaps you can clarify for me so I at least may start my journey with this basic understanding.
Answer: I’ll try to give a short explanation. In the year 1312 B.C.E. G-d gave the written Torah (Five books of Moses, in Hebrew. English translations made by non Jews, such as the King James version, contain many mistakes. For a great translation buy the Artscoll Stone Edition) and oral Torah to the Jews at Mt. Sinai. The written Torah is extremely vague in almost all of it’s laws and gives little detail. For example, the Torah states, do not murder. What about euthanasia? How about abortion? How about if someone is trying to kill you, can you defend yourself by killing the attacker? The Torah states that you must slaughter animals “In the manner I have prescribed”, yet no where in the rest of the Torah does it say how slaughter was prescribed. The Torah states that on Sukkot “you shall take a nice fruit”. How did we arrive at an Etrog, a citron? There are numerous other ways of proving the need for and correctness of the oral law. See here for a few more. The written Torah is like the notes one takes at a lecture. Only one who has attended the lecture can understand it. The oral Torah is the entire lecture. As to why G-d did this, there are numerous reasons. Among them was to ensure that the Torah always be studied. If everything was contained in the written Torah, it would not be studied too much because it would only be used when it was necessary to know something (much the same way nobody studies the phone book).
As time went on it became too difficult to remember everything in the written Torah, so Rabbi Yehuda the Prince wrote the Mishna in the year 180 (approximately). The Mishna is the basic outline of the oral transmission, but it is cryptic enough so that one still need a Rabbi to understand it properly. This was not enough, so 300 years later Ravina and Rav Ashi recorded the Talmud, which expounded on the Mishna. Still the Talmud is very difficult and one needs to study it extensively to understand it’s structure, method and logic.
Kabbalah is the mystical teachings of the Torah handed down through the generations. As time went on, it started to become somewhat revealed, first by Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai in the first century AD, as recorded in the Zohar. Then by the great Arizal of 16th century Safed. To be properly understood, one needs to master much of the Torah and Talmud first.
Rabbi Meir Goldberg
This is what Jonathan Cahn uses, he intertwines the deep things of satan with Christianity. Our Lord called it out Two thousand years ahead of his roll, which Jonathan needs to slow. Many are duped by this spiritual con artist. Torah is not the Talmud and Kabbalah is within the Talmudic teaching. Moses did not practice this garbage. This was developed during the Israelites time in Babylonian captivity. I would say Egypt too- but ,the Israelites who clung to those practices during Moses exodus of them, were killed, by God.
The letters to the churches call out the Messianic who practice this. This Rabbi says it best however, the implementation of this within Rabbinical teaching as mandate, is more recent.
Continued......
Have you ever read Chuck Baldwin and other writers who say that the nation of Israel is a delusion? They say that satanists - Rothschilds etc. founded the nation of Israel in 1948 - I read that they aren't even Jews who descended from Abraham who live there. I think we should at least look into it to see if we've been bowing the knee to Baal since becoming a Christian. It's a pretty explosive idea yet we're to seek the truth.
There is a documentary out there, could still be on Netflix, not sure. It is titled "Outfoxed" very, very interesting and quite believable. Maybe the powers that be have taken it down but, give a look see.
And, yes indeed...way too many are watching talking points and NOT truth...they are paid to broadcast what their big wigs tell them to. Propaganda to get us to hate groups of people...divide and conquer! And be assured, the blame for all things wrong are on EVERY Democrat
It's very hard when family members watch mainstream news and then parrot it - it's frightening that a small group of people has control over the narrative.
Is Johnathan Cahn splitting his fingers like Mork from Ork in this so called prayer blessing?
Or Likethis:
This is an esoteric Illuminati symbol. This guy uses the Talmud , that which is known as the deep things of satan.
Rev.2:24
24But I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned the so-called deep things of Satan: I will place no further burden upon you.
Torah, Talmud and Kabbalah - What’s What?
Question: I am so confused. I don’t understand which version of the bible is the Jewish version? I am also confused with the Torah, Talmud and Kabbalah. What’s what? Does one come from another? Who authored them? I am sure that these questions may be construed as ignorant but I am lost in a midst of translations, words, chronology and origins… Perhaps you can clarify for me so I at least may start my journey with this basic understanding.
Answer: I’ll try to give a short explanation. In the year 1312 B.C.E. G-d gave the written Torah (Five books of Moses, in Hebrew. English translations made by non Jews, such as the King James version, contain many mistakes. For a great translation buy the Artscoll Stone Edition) and oral Torah to the Jews at Mt. Sinai. The written Torah is extremely vague in almost all of it’s laws and gives little detail. For example, the Torah states, do not murder. What about euthanasia? How about abortion? How about if someone is trying to kill you, can you defend yourself by killing the attacker? The Torah states that you must slaughter animals “In the manner I have prescribed”, yet no where in the rest of the Torah does it say how slaughter was prescribed. The Torah states that on Sukkot “you shall take a nice fruit”. How did we arrive at an Etrog, a citron? There are numerous other ways of proving the need for and correctness of the oral law. See here for a few more. The written Torah is like the notes one takes at a lecture. Only one who has attended the lecture can understand it. The oral Torah is the entire lecture. As to why G-d did this, there are numerous reasons. Among them was to ensure that the Torah always be studied. If everything was contained in the written Torah, it would not be studied too much because it would only be used when it was necessary to know something (much the same way nobody studies the phone book).
As time went on it became too difficult to remember everything in the written Torah, so Rabbi Yehuda the Prince wrote the Mishna in the year 180 (approximately). The Mishna is the basic outline of the oral transmission, but it is cryptic enough so that one still need a Rabbi to understand it properly. This was not enough, so 300 years later Ravina and Rav Ashi recorded the Talmud, which expounded on the Mishna. Still the Talmud is very difficult and one needs to study it extensively to understand it’s structure, method and logic.
Kabbalah is the mystical teachings of the Torah handed down through the generations. As time went on, it started to become somewhat revealed, first by Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai in the first century AD, as recorded in the Zohar. Then by the great Arizal of 16th century Safed. To be properly understood, one needs to master much of the Torah and Talmud first.
Rabbi Meir Goldberg
This is what Jonathan Cahn uses, he intertwines the deep things of satan with Christianity. Our Lord called it out Two thousand years ahead of his roll, which Jonathan needs to slow. Many are duped by this spiritual con artist. Torah is not the Talmud and Kabbalah is within the Talmudic teaching. Moses did not practice this garbage. This was developed during the Israelites time in Babylonian captivity. I would say Egypt too- but ,the Israelites who clung to those practices during Moses exodus of them, were killed, by God.
The letters to the churches call out the Messianic who practice this. This Rabbi says it best however, the implementation of this within Rabbinical teaching as mandate, is more recent.
Continued......
I've never heard of Jonathan Cahn but I re-read your post and now grasp it - he's throwing the illuminati symbols. I've tried to tell others that about legislators and Hollywood that we see doing that publicly, but no one wants to hear it. If they truly studied, carefully, they'd see that's how they show allegiance to each other/ recognize one another.
The deception indeed must be working because no one wants to hear truth.
I read this also:
End Time Deceptions
70th week of Daniel, rapture, Antichrist, Jew and Israel deceptions.
Christians Should Not Support The Zionist State Of Israel
Please pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to you, because many believers have been teaching false doctrine regarding the Jews and Israel.
If you read it based on your current understanding, then your previous programming will cause you to dismiss it as anti-semitic (which you will see, is not possible.)
What you will see is that most of the sources on this page are from Jewish people.
Be sure to read it all the way through, as it reveals who is a true Israelite, who is a true Jew, and who are the promised children of Elohim.
Consider the following facts to see why Christians should NOT support the state of Israel. Rather we should pray for Jews to come to know their Messiah, who has already come and ratified the everlasting covenant with His blood as the Passover Lamb.
The Jews are forbidden from possessing the land.
The Jews were removed from the promised land when Elohim sent the Babylonians and then the Romans, against them; because of their disobedience to Elohim, and their worship of foreign gods.
“And you, even of yourself, shall let go of your inheritance which I gave you. And I shall make you serve your enemies in a land which you have not known, for you have kindled a fire in My displeasure which burns forever.” Jeremiah 17:4
Many Torah Jews know this, which is why they protest against Zionist Israel, saying that it is illegitimate.
The Carnegie Endowment scholar and former editor of Foreign Policy, David Rothkopf says, “American Jews now have a duty to oppose Israel.”
For American Jews we have gone from a duty to support Israel to a duty to question Israel to a duty to oppose Israel.
How many abuses must take place? How many laws like this that claim racism as the national character and ethnic purity as its goal?… my point is that at some point my duty as an American (and as a Jew) is to actively oppose an ethno-nationalist regime that is systematically undermining the human rights of people within its borders & threatening peace and int’l values.
Israeli Professor Nurit Peled-Elhanan said in a speech, “Israel has reached an unimaginable peak of evil. And indeed many people all over the world find it hard to imagine that this is so.”
Who could imagine Jewish thugs, wearing black boots and helmets, armed with guns and batons, lashing dogs at small children and old people, or letting asylum seekers die of thirst in the desert and prisoners die of hunger strikes, punishing them and their families by sending them to confinement;
who would conceive of Jewish doctors driving a wounded man out of hospital and letting him die of thirst on a deserted road, who would think of Jewish soldiers breaking the neck of a young girl with a pink scarf for protesting against oppression.
Who could imagine the education of Jewish girls as consisting of beating up and harassing women and children, or a Jewish soldier girl receiving a badge of courage for murdering a Palestinian boy who went to fetch his birthday cake.
The only possible conclusion must be that Israeli evil has nothing to do with Judaism and that what is manifested in Israeli behavior is not Jewishness. “
Rabbinical Torah Jews believe that the Zionist state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent true Jews or Judaism.
They believe that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!
They believe that contemporary sovereignty over the Holy Land belongs to those who have lived there for centuries, the Palestinians.
In this interview, Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro, rabbi of Beis Medrash of Bayswater, explains the motives behind the claims of Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders to represent all Jews. He explains how Zionism, starting from Theodor Herzl, unilaterally arrogated to itself the right to speak in the name of world Jewry. Rabbi Shapiro explains the motives behind this and the danger it poses to the Jewish people.
In this interview, Rabbi Weiss is sharply critical in his remarks of the ideology of Zionism, who wrongly claim to represent Jews.
“Don’t let the Zionist media fool you. There are hundreds of thousands of fervently anti-Zionist ultra-Orthodox Jews throughout the world, and we will never surrender to the Zionist idea…… Even secular Zionism has been a catastrophe for the Jewish people, but religious Zionism, combining two opposites into an unstable mixture, is leading the Jewish people to moral depravity. It is the complete inverse of the Jewish mission to be a light to the nations and bring peace to the world.” – True Torah Jews
You can read more about them at these websites:
True Torah Jews / Jews United Against Zionism
“The Arab nation never harmed the Jew until the advent of Jewish nationalism. The Zionists are heretics.” Rabbi Amram Blau 1894-1974
Since Torah Jews believe that the state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of Elohim, we should not support them either.
Dr. Hajo Meyer, Auschwitz survivor, said:
“If we want to stay really human beings, we must get up and call the Zionists what they are: Nazi criminals,” Meyer said. The hate of the Jews by the Germans “was less deeply rooted than the hate of the Palestinians by the Israeli Jews,” he observed. “The brainwashing of the Jewish Israeli populations is going on for over sixty years. They cannot see a Palestinian as a human being.”
“My message for the Palestinians is that they should not give up their fight,” he replied. “If they give up, they might lose their self-esteem with the ongoing humiliations by the Israeli Nazis. Fight with human means. It is justified to show to the Israeli Zionists that you are a force to reckon with. Fight with stones, with weapons. Yes, also with weapons. If you don’t fight, you lose your self-esteem and will not be respected by the Israelis.”
“If we Western democratic societies don’t support the Palestinians in their fight, we must feel ashamed if the Palestinians are annihilated. The US and the European Union must show their teeth,” he added.
Source: In last interview, Auschwitz survivor urged Palestinians "not to give up their fight"
Dr. Chuck Baldwin, who ran for President of the United States, teaches why Zionist Israel is Hell’s Greatest Hoaxes On America.
End Time Deceptions
70th week of Daniel, rapture, Antichrist, Jew and Israel deceptions.
Christians Should Not Support The Zionist State Of Israel
Please pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal truth to you, because many believers have been teaching false doctrine regarding the Jews and Israel.
If you read it based on your current understanding, then your previous programming will cause you to dismiss it as anti-semitic (which you will see, is not possible.)
What you will see is that most of the sources on this page are from Jewish people.
Be sure to read it all the way through, as it reveals who is a true Israelite, who is a true Jew, and who are the promised children of Elohim.
Consider the following facts to see why Christians should NOT support the state of Israel. Rather we should pray for Jews to come to know their Messiah, who has already come and ratified the everlasting covenant with His blood as the Passover Lamb.
The Jews are forbidden from possessing the land.
The Jews were removed from the promised land when Elohim sent the Babylonians and then the Romans, against them; because of their disobedience to Elohim, and their worship of foreign gods.
“And you, even of yourself, shall let go of your inheritance which I gave you. And I shall make you serve your enemies in a land which you have not known, for you have kindled a fire in My displeasure which burns forever.” Jeremiah 17:4
Many Torah Jews know this, which is why they protest against Zionist Israel, saying that it is illegitimate.
The Carnegie Endowment scholar and former editor of Foreign Policy, David Rothkopf says, “American Jews now have a duty to oppose Israel.”
For American Jews we have gone from a duty to support Israel to a duty to question Israel to a duty to oppose Israel.
How many abuses must take place? How many laws like this that claim racism as the national character and ethnic purity as its goal?… my point is that at some point my duty as an American (and as a Jew) is to actively oppose an ethno-nationalist regime that is systematically undermining the human rights of people within its borders & threatening peace and int’l values.
Israeli Professor Nurit Peled-Elhanan said in a speech, “Israel has reached an unimaginable peak of evil. And indeed many people all over the world find it hard to imagine that this is so.”
Who could imagine Jewish thugs, wearing black boots and helmets, armed with guns and batons, lashing dogs at small children and old people, or letting asylum seekers die of thirst in the desert and prisoners die of hunger strikes, punishing them and their families by sending them to confinement;
who would conceive of Jewish doctors driving a wounded man out of hospital and letting him die of thirst on a deserted road, who would think of Jewish soldiers breaking the neck of a young girl with a pink scarf for protesting against oppression.
Who could imagine the education of Jewish girls as consisting of beating up and harassing women and children, or a Jewish soldier girl receiving a badge of courage for murdering a Palestinian boy who went to fetch his birthday cake.
The only possible conclusion must be that Israeli evil has nothing to do with Judaism and that what is manifested in Israeli behavior is not Jewishness. “
Rabbinical Torah Jews believe that the Zionist state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of God and that it DOES NOT represent true Jews or Judaism.
They believe that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name “Israel” and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!
They believe that contemporary sovereignty over the Holy Land belongs to those who have lived there for centuries, the Palestinians.
In this interview, Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro, rabbi of Beis Medrash of Bayswater, explains the motives behind the claims of Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders to represent all Jews. He explains how Zionism, starting from Theodor Herzl, unilaterally arrogated to itself the right to speak in the name of world Jewry. Rabbi Shapiro explains the motives behind this and the danger it poses to the Jewish people.
In this interview, Rabbi Weiss is sharply critical in his remarks of the ideology of Zionism, who wrongly claim to represent Jews.
“Don’t let the Zionist media fool you. There are hundreds of thousands of fervently anti-Zionist ultra-Orthodox Jews throughout the world, and we will never surrender to the Zionist idea…… Even secular Zionism has been a catastrophe for the Jewish people, but religious Zionism, combining two opposites into an unstable mixture, is leading the Jewish people to moral depravity. It is the complete inverse of the Jewish mission to be a light to the nations and bring peace to the world.” – True Torah Jews
You can read more about them at these websites:
True Torah Jews / Jews United Against Zionism
“The Arab nation never harmed the Jew until the advent of Jewish nationalism. The Zionists are heretics.” Rabbi Amram Blau 1894-1974
Since Torah Jews believe that the state of Israel is illegitimate in the eyes of Elohim, we should not support them either.
Dr. Hajo Meyer, Auschwitz survivor, said:
“My message for the Palestinians is that they should not give up their fight,” he replied. “If they give up, they might lose their self-esteem with the ongoing humiliations by the Israeli Nazis. Fight with human means. It is justified to show to the Israeli Zionists that you are a force to reckon with. Fight with stones, with weapons. Yes, also with weapons. If you don’t fight, you lose your self-esteem and will not be respected by the Israelis.”
“If we Western democratic societies don’t support the Palestinians in their fight, we must feel ashamed if the Palestinians are annihilated. The US and the European Union must show their teeth,” he added.
Source: In last interview, Auschwitz survivor urged Palestinians "not to give up their fight"
Dr. Chuck Baldwin, who ran for President of the United States, teaches why Zionist Israel is Hell’s Greatest Hoaxes On America.
Bobby Jo
Well-Known Member
You sound like a mouthpiece for the mullahs and ayatollahs of Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS and Al Qaeda. They do not want anyone to support Israel.
But Christians need to keep things in their proper contexts.
1. The secular nation-state of Israel is there to give all Jews worldwide a homeland. That is precisely because of the hatred and persecution of Jews by so-called *Christians*. The fact that the Jews in Israel generally do not accept Jesus as their Messiah has nothing to do with this. And God did not given anyone a mandate to persecute Jews just because He caused their dispersion for their own sins. But European *Christians* believed that they had a God-given mandate to kill and massacre Jews. Thus Hitler came up with his *Final Solution*.
2. Israel stands against Islamist terrorism and Muslim domination, and for that reason alone it should be supported by all right-thinking people. Or would you rather see an Islamist Caliphate take control of the Middle East, and eventually the world? They would enslave or kill Christians, Jews, and all so-called *infidels*. Just remember the brutality of ISIS.
3. The religious beliefs of Jews in Israel are varied, but at the same time there are Messianic Jews who have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. There are also other Christian groups in Israel. All Christians worldwide need to stand with Christians within Israel, as well as engage in humanitarian efforts within Israel, regardless of the beliefs of those who need help.
4. Jerusalem and the land of Israel are going to be the focus of the Second Coming of Christ, and Christians are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. In the meantime, any government which supports the defense of Israel against its very real enemies should have the support of Christians. Obama was a crypto-Muslim and wanted to see the destruction of Israel. Trump, on the other hand, gives Israel 100% of his support in words and actions. But you don't like that.
5. Paul -- speaking by the Holy Spirit -- warns Gentile Christians not to be high-minded in their attitude towards unbelieving Jews. But you are violating that commandment of God, and showing contempt and disdain for unbelieving Jews. And that is unacceptable.
ROMANS 11
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Nancy
Well-Known Member
Yep...frustrating and all we can do is ask God to open their eyes to the truth. Republican does NOT = Christian and Democrat does NOT = un-believer. When Bush II was in office, there were a period of months that the Republicans ran the house and the senate so...does anyone ever wonder why they did not bring the horrible abortion issue to the floor?? My guess is because it is a wedge issue for them and, so many single issue voters have no clue that they are being duped just because someone say's they are Christian does not a Christian make! Fruits, fruits, fruits. Both sides of the isle have their base and will say anything to keep them, wolves in sheep's clothing. My siblings are all Christians and all but myself and another brother are Republicans, me and my other brother are Independents. Even then, I think this country is so corrupt, and that they all lie. Power and money.
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