The attack of satan on the gospel that I preach.

DNB · Dec 24, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Being called a false teacher by a heretic who denies Christ's Deity is actually an affirmation of my ministry, so thank you.

It is a major part of my testimony that at conversion, the Holy Spirit came upon me with such power that I felt Him as though He were waves of liquid love flowing over me. It was such a powerful experience that I believe I may have even been in heaven for the space of about four minutes. I said to God, that I have to go back and tell people about this love!

So, you cannot convince me that I am devoid of the Spirit; I've felt His love and I've seen His power.

I don't think that you will be able to convince anyone else, either; unless they are simply hard-hearted folks who simply do not want to believe the truths that I have been preaching.

Rev 12:10, And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11, And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Wow, 'waves of liquid love'. Who do you think that you are, Joyce Meyers, Creflo Dollar, maybe Benny Hinn?
Sorry Dude, we're talking about two very different Spirits.
..and yes, I vehemently deny Christ's deity, ...that's how I know that God's Spirit is nowhere near you, ...amongst many other reasons, of course.

user · Dec 24, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Oh...so you ere saying that it has to meet ALL FOUR of a, b, c, and d...

Clearly, the verse in question shows forth God to be three-in-one.

But it's all right, I don't expect you to pay up.

@Blood Bought 1953 didn't when I proved him wrong...why should you?

Read instructions carefully.

user · Dec 24, 2020

justbyfaith said:
It identifies the Son and the Holy Ghost as being one with the Father.

Read instructions carefully.

Cooper · Dec 24, 2020

justbyfaith said:
It identifies the Son and the Holy Ghost as being one with the Father.

My question to you is whether or not you believe that the Father is God...

The word for Trinity in the Bible is Godhead.

Rom_1:20 (KJV) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Col_2:9 (KJV) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Someone may have already said. I have come in late due to having Truther on ignore.
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Truther · Dec 24, 2020

justbyfaith said:
As concerning #2...I would point out the Johannine comma (1 John 5:7 (kjv))....

Thanks, I can really use the $10,000.

Now we know that no one who is offering money like this is ever really going to make good on their offer, even if their challenges were to be met.

Post the verse for evidence if it exists.

Rocky Wiley · Dec 24, 2020

Prayer Warrior said:
I’m well aware of the scriptures talking about the gifts of the Spirit. You said that “the gifts are not given to those who don’t study.” This is what I was asking scriptural support for. I don’t see this idea in the scriptures you quoted.

Prayer Warrior said:
Nope, sorry, it's just not scriptural that we have to study in order to be given the spiritual gifts. 1 Cor 12 is the scripture you quoted earlier, and it says nothing about study. It DOES say that God activates the gifts in each person and that the Spirit distributes the gifts to each person AS HE WILLS. So, you're adding to the scriptures. Not a good idea.

You feel that one doesn't need to be approved of God?
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

justbyfaith · Dec 24, 2020

DNB said:
Wow, 'waves of liquid love'. Who do you think that you are, Joyce Meyers, Creflo Dollar, maybe Benny Hinn?
Sorry Dude, we're talking about two very different Spirits.
..and yes, I vehemently deny Christ's deity, ...that's how I know that God's Spirit is nowhere near you, ...amongst many other reasons, of course.

There would not be two very different Spirits (capital "S"). For there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).

Maybe you are accusing me of having a "spirit". Be careful lest you blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

No; I don't think that I am Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer, or Benny Hinn. I am me. But my testimony stands true; whether you receive it as being the truth or not.

The fact that you deny Christ's Deity places you outside of the realm of orthodoxy. So if I have a different Spirit from you, praise God!

Was there any other doctrine preached by me that you have determined makes me a false teacher? Please define what that doctrine is, or what those doctrines are.

Because if the only doctrine that you have against me is that I believe in Christ's Deity, know that the whole of the church is in agreement with me here and that you stand as an heretic in this thing; in that you deny Christ's Deity.

(If you are not a Jehovah's Witness, then you do not hold the NeWT to be inspired. What then, do you make, of John 1:1-3 and John 1:14?)

But if there is anything else preached by me that you have determined makes me a false teacher, please bring it forward, so that we can all determine based on the Bible whether it is really false teaching or whether it is false teaching only in your estimation.

If you cannot do this, then your accusation has fallen to the ground; and I am vindicated of it.

justbyfaith · Dec 24, 2020

Truther said:
Post the verse for evidence if it exists.

It has been posted.

But, here it is again:

1Jo 5:7, For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Ronald Nolette · Dec 24, 2020

justbyfaith said:
And no one was asking you to be "bluntly honest".

Well that is what I feel the best way to deal with issues- just get to the heart of the matter, and speak directly to it.

justbyfaith said:
While the doctrine in question does not teach that a man has sin eradicated from him (i.e. he becomes sinless) but rather that the element of sin, dwelling on the inside of him, is rendered dead (Romans 6:6, Galatians 5:24, Romans 7:8) so that it no longer has any authority over his behaviour (Romans 6:14).

Furthermore, Galatians 2:20 shows us plainly that when we live our own lives we will be living lives of sin; but that if Jesus comes and lives His life in us and through us, the life that will be lived in our mortal flesh shall be one of holiness.

Though verbose , I agree with what you say.

Ronald Nolette · Dec 24, 2020

justbyfaith said:
You didn't...

Cuz I care about you and how you sound on this thread. Not as a mature believer, but one who has had their pride wounded and is complaining about it.

Ronald Nolette · Dec 24, 2020

justbyfaith said:
I know that the persecution for righteousness' sake means that I am indeed blessed and that it means that the kingdom of heaven belongs to me. However, I am still not happy when it occurs because it means that certain people will be less inclined to receive the good news that will save them as it comes from me.

So, I'm sorry that I care about the salvation of others. I suppose I should just "suck it up" because I have a reward.

But I think that if there is any message that is consistent in the word, it is that we ought not to be selfish.

So, while I may be able to rejoice over the reward that I will receive over being persecuted for righteousness' sake, I do not rejoice in the fact that certain people may reject the gospel as a whole because the one aspect of it that would have saved them came off from my keyboard; and they rejected it because someone tried to identify me as a false teacher.

YOu are too hung up on you!
they have persecuted ME!
I have a great reward
I have been persecuted for righteousness sake
I have been identified as a false teacher.
Complain to the person.

HInestly? YOu have received your reward for all the crowing about it you just did.

If you care about the salvation of others- focus on them and not what they say about you! And if they abuse you and call you a false teacher- rejoice inyou rprayer closet and do not trumpet it on a forum.

Keep it between you , them and god and pray for them, not whine about how they have "perecuted" you. BTW Some verbal jousting is not persecution.

Ronald David Bruno · Dec 24, 2020

Just byfaith,
When you had this disagreement with this person, you should have used post resurrection and Pentecost scripture to argue your point. OLD Testament scripture pertaining to the repentance, was under the Law. Even John the Baptist was considered the last Old Testament Prophet, who baptized for the remission if sins, preparing the way for all to receive something New _ given by Christ _ after His death and resurrection. He baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Christ fulfilled the Law for us. Even though Our sins are washed and we have been baptized by the Holy Spirit, we still have the flash - where sin dwells and THEREFORE, turning away from sin is a daily task. A war is going in between the spirit and the flesh.
Repentance, turning from Sin AND turning to God is btw way impossible without God's Grace, without His drawing you to Himself. He enables us to repent.

justbyfaith said:
And of course, having been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins means that the Holy Ghost has been absolutely promised to me and this means that He will perform His function in me of guiding me into all truth (John 16:13); because He dwells within me.

Water baptism saves no one. It is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, when we are be born again. Prior to Pentecost, and Jesus death and resurrection, the people that John the Baptist baptized, were not born again yet - which is why John made that differentiation between the two baptisms.

justbyfaith · Dec 24, 2020

Ronald Nolette said:
Cuz I care about you and how you sound on this thread. Not as a mature believer, but one who has had their pride wounded and is complaining about it.

You think that I am not happy because my pride is wounded? I am not happy, even though I have a reward, because there are people who may not believe the gospel as I preach it, over this. And if what I say is the deciding factor in their eternity, their not believing the good news as it comes from me will be the deciding factor in where they go for all of eternity.

And, that is something to be sad about.

Ronald Nolette said:
YOu are too hung up on you!
they have persecuted ME!
I have a great reward
I have been persecuted for righteousness sake
I have been identified as a false teacher.
Complain to the person.

Honestly? <fify> You <fify> have received your reward for all the crowing about it you just did.

If you care about the salvation of others- focus on them and not what they say about you! And if they abuse you and call you a false teacher- rejoice inyou rprayer closet and do not trumpet it on a forum.

Keep it between you , them and god and pray for them, not whine about how they have "perecuted" you. BTW Some verbal jousting is not persecution.

If you must know, the reason why I have brought this to everyone's attention has been because, even though I know I have a reward in heaven over this, there may be some who will not now receive the gospel as it comes from off of my keyboard; and this means that it is possible that they will never receive the gospel at all.

I originally had the person's name mentioned who had made this attack upon my teaching. My intention was that what is written in the Pentateuch, about those who bear false witness, their punishment being the same as what would hit the person they were bearing false witness about, if that witness had been found to be true, might come to pass.

@Ronald Nolette, your teaching is FALSE and PERVERTED.

But in saying that, I am not persecuting you; it is just verbal jousting. And you ought not to defend yourself against this accusation. Just keep it between me, God, and you. Don't do anything about it. Just let the slander have the effect that I intended it to have on you.

See how that is?

justbyfaith · Dec 24, 2020

Ronald David Bruno said:
Water baptism saves no one.

I didn't say that I was saved by it.

(Although, a case can be made that water baptism does save a man (1 Peter 3:20-21).

while I do not teach that a man cannot be saved by grace through faith alone apart from water baptism).

I said that I absolutely know that I have the Holy Spirit because I have repented and been baptized in Jesus' Name for the remission of sins (because of Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39).

And this means that the function of the Holy Spirit, that He guides us into all truth (John 16:13), is at work in me.

Prayer Warrior · Dec 24, 2020

Rocky Wiley said:
You feel that one doesn't need to be approved of God?
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

You read what Paul wrote about the gifts of the Spirit. Is that what he said—that a Christian has to study and show himself approved in order to receive the gifts??

Ronald Nolette · Dec 24, 2020

justbyfaith said:
You think that I am not happy because my pride is wounded? I am not happy, even though I have a reward, because there are people who may not believe the gospel as I preach it, over this. And if what I say is the deciding factor in their eternity, their not believing the good news as it comes from me will be the deciding factor in where they go for all of eternity.

And, that is something to be sad about.

If you must know, the reason why I have brought this to everyone's attention has been because, even though I know I have a reward in heaven over this, there may be some who will not now receive the gospel as it comes from off of my keyboard; and this means that it is possible that they will never receive the gospel at all.

I originally had the person's name mentioned who had made this attack upon my teaching. My intention was that what is written in the Pentateuch, about those who bear false witness, their punishment being the same as what would hit the person they were bearing false witness about, if that witness had been found to be true, might come to pass.

@Ronald Nolette, your teaching is FALSE and PERVERTED.

But in saying that, I am not persecuting you; it is just verbal jousting. And you ought not to defend yourself against this accusation. Just keep it between me, God, and you. Don't do anything about it. Just let the slander have the effect that I intended it to have on you.

See how that is?

I agree that is not persecution. I take it readily and respond back to you.

But you still are focusing on you and your rewards and how you want to see people saved! "my keyboard", "I am not happy", "I have a reward", "gospel as I preach it"

justbyfaith · Dec 24, 2020

justbyfaith said:
I know that the persecution for righteousness' sake means that I am indeed blessed and that it means that the kingdom of heaven belongs to me. However, I am still not happy when it occurs because it means that certain people will be less inclined to receive the good news that will save them as it comes from me.

So, I'm sorry that I care about the salvation of others. I suppose I should just "suck it up" because I have a reward.

But I think that if there is any message that is consistent in the word, it is that we ought not to be selfish.

So, while I may be able to rejoice over the reward that I will receive over being persecuted for righteousness' sake, I do not rejoice in the fact that certain people may reject the gospel as a whole because the one aspect of it that would have saved them came off from my keyboard; and they rejected it because someone tried to identify me as a false teacher.

Ronald Nolette said:
YOu are too hung up on you!

Please relate to me what it is in my post above that leads you to think that I am hung up on myself.

You were the one that mentioned that I should rejoice in the fact that I was being persecuted and ought to suck it up.

My point had everything to do with the salvation of others and had nothing to do with any kind of "wounded pride".

I sincerely am grieved by this whole thing, not because my pride has been wounded, but because there are people who may never come to the knowledge of the truth because they believe the lies that have been said about me.

Their salvation is my only concern.

Ronald Nolette · Dec 24, 2020

justbyfaith said:
Please relate to me what it is in my post above that leads you to think that I am hung up on myself.

You were the one that mentioned that I should rejoice in the fact that I was being persecuted and ought to suck it up.

My point had everything to do with the salvation of others and had nothing to do with any kind of "wounded pride".

I sincerely am grieved by this whole thing, not because my pride has been wounded, but because there are people who may never come to the knowledge of the truth because they believe the lies that have been said about me.

Their salvation is my only concern.

Well you do not even know if the person you were writing to is saved or not- that knowledge belongs to God alone, unless they have publicly declared they do nto believe Jesus died for their sins.

But you can take or leave my advice that is up to you.

Truther · Dec 24, 2020

justbyfaith said:
It has been posted.

But, here it is again:

1Jo 5:7, For there are three (PERSONS?)that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three(PERSONS?) that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

justbyfaith · Dec 24, 2020

It also seems, @Ronald Nolette, that you have taken it upon yourself to judge me and all of my motives.

I think that you should take into consideration all of the scriptures that tell us that all of our judging of other people will be meted back to us.

The attack of satan on the gospel that I preach.

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